Post: #576

(07-23-2015 09:29 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 03:19 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Height makes it more difficult to fill your frame with muscle but I'm 5'11 (6'0 with shoes) and would trade muscle mass to be 6'3 any day. The problem with being under 6'0 and building muscle is that it makes you look even shorter than you actually are. So a guy who is 5'11 like myself ends up looking 5'9 to the naked eye. In my opinion, there is nothing more immasculating than standing next to men, or even women! who are towering above you so height is extremely important for self-confidence, even more so than lifting.

Are you trolling or being serious? I honestly can't tell.

He's being serious, but he's extremely insecure about height, made obvious by his last two sentences. At 5-11 he's got no reason to be.

Post: #577

(07-22-2015 02:44 PM)blacktree Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 06:46 PM)Travesty Wrote:  This is how chicks read guys' physical attributes in my neck of the woods:

Face >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Body >>>> Skin (crystal clear complexion, nice even tan) >> Height (if you are under 5'7" then it is an issue)

I am 6'4" as been well said before... how girls view a guy's height is like how guys view a girl having big tits . It helps your case a bit, but a guy would choose a girl with 7.5 face and B tits over a 6.0 face with D tits almost every time.

Where do you live? I would of thought height was before body.

SoCal, I see young hot girls with guys that are 5'8", and really cut or buff over a 6'2" guy that is skinny fat or doughy with bad posture (usually go hand-in-hand) constantly.

Face + Cut Tan Physique (<10%bf). Is what rules here for 18-24yo old chicks. If you are 5'8"+ with these two you have nothing to worry about. This is going back all the way to junior high until now. Nothing has changed. Young chicks want a great looking face + abs + tan. Those are their biggest concerns. Clothing comes in a pretty close second.

Now if you have an average or just above average face? Time to get jacked and have top style if you want hot chicks consistently, or get micro fame.

Post: #578

People are absolutely ridiculous when it comes to height. No one gives a shit. What happens is a bunch of people when they are young psych each other out about it's importance. It's just like guys thinking dick sizes matter. News flash as long as both are reasonable it doesn't matter. And by reasonable I mean not an extreme outlier in the wrong direction i.e. 5'0 or 3 inch penis.

I one time borrowed a buddies condom while i was getting laid at his place. The condom was made for someone with literally a horse sized wang. I still to this day don't know whether it was some kind of specialty / fake condom. If it isn't well he should be doing porn at the highest level. I didn't let this perceived massive condom which lasted all of 20 seconds effect me. I laughed it off, told the girl he must be fucking with us and went raw and had a great time.

Post: #579

Completely disagree Adrenaline. If anything a 5'11 guy with a muscular build, broad shoulders, and good posture will have the appearence of being taller, not shorter.

Post: #580

(07-23-2015 05:07 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 02:44 PM)blacktree Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 06:46 PM)Travesty Wrote:  This is how chicks read guys' physical attributes in my neck of the woods:

Face >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Body >>>> Skin (crystal clear complexion, nice even tan) >> Height (if you are under 5'7" then it is an issue)

I am 6'4" as been well said before... how girls view a guy's height is like how guys view a girl having big tits . It helps your case a bit, but a guy would choose a girl with 7.5 face and B tits over a 6.0 face with D tits almost every time.

Where do you live? I would of thought height was before body.

SoCal, I see young hot girls with guys that are 5'8", and really cut or buff over a 6'2" guy that is skinny fat or doughy with bad posture (usually go hand-in-hand) constantly.

Face + Cut Tan Physique (<10%bf). Is what rules here for 18-24yo old chicks. If you are 5'8"+ with these two you have nothing to worry about. This is going back all the way to junior high until now. Nothing has changed. Young chicks want a great looking face + abs + tan. Those are their biggest concerns. Clothing comes in a pretty close second.

Now if you have an average or just above average face? Time to get jacked and have top style if you want hot chicks consistently, or get micro fame.

How tall are these girls on average? I would think theyre around 5'4ish so height probably isn't a big deal but what about the taller ones lie around 5'8?

Post: #581

Blacktree, the lizards are all the same height when you get them naked and lying down so what does it matter?

Post: #582

(07-23-2015 06:16 PM)Repo Wrote:  Completely disagree Adrenaline. If anything a 5'11 guy with a muscular build, broad shoulders, and good posture will have the appearence of being taller, not shorter.

For evidence, look at any of Elliott Hulse's videos.

Guy commands presence. But he's below average height. You won't realize this until you see his videos where he is around guys taller than him.

Muscle build > height. As long as you're not an outlier as recently mentioned and 5'1, you'll do more than fine.

Post: #583

(07-23-2015 05:07 PM)Travesty Wrote:  SoCal, I see young hot girls with guys that are 5'8", and really cut or buff over a 6'2" guy that is skinny fat or doughy with bad posture (usually go hand-in-hand) constantly.

Face + Cut Tan Physique (<10%bf). Is what rules here for 18-24yo old chicks. If you are 5'8"+ with these two you have nothing to worry about. This is going back all the way to junior high until now. Nothing has changed. Young chicks want a great looking face + abs + tan. Those are their biggest concerns. Clothing comes in a pretty close second.

Now if you have an average or just above average face? Time to get jacked and have top style if you want hot chicks consistently, or get micro fame.

I'm not sure what you mean by "hot" girls but honestly a guy regardless would need some sort of fame as a prerequisite when it comes to the really hot girls (8s). Even here in SoCal, 8s are rare. I've probably seen maybe 100-120 8s so far this year (7 months). If you're referencing 7s as "hot" girls then I believe a good looking ripped guy can do fine with getting consistent results with 6s and 7s, if he knows what he's doing.

With that said, you need a lot of things going for yourself here in SoCal. You can be 6'6 and above average looks and still struggle to get 6s. So if you're average, I'm giving you a caution sign. I'm being real here, with the obvious logistic issue here, the main problem is the high level of competition. Lots of good looking surfer guys, MMA wannabes and whatnot. You can take one of these guys and throw them somewhere in the midwest and they'll be a top guy just because the level of competition is low. This is why some guys can do relatively better in other places/countries is because the competition they're up against is weak, not because the women are easier.

Post: #584

(07-24-2015 06:39 PM)RickyWax Wrote:  I'm not sure what you mean by "hot" girls but honestly a guy regardless would need some sort of fame as a prerequisite when it comes to the really hot girls (8s). Even here in SoCal, 8s are rare. I've probably seen maybe 100-120 8s so far this year (7 months). If you're referencing 7s as "hot" girls then I believe a good looking ripped guy can do fine with getting consistent results with 6s and 7s, if he knows what he's doing.

You can find 8-10's on major college campuses. Try those places out.

Post: #585

(07-24-2015 06:39 PM)RickyWax Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 05:07 PM)Travesty Wrote:  SoCal, I see young hot girls with guys that are 5'8", and really cut or buff over a 6'2" guy that is skinny fat or doughy with bad posture (usually go hand-in-hand) constantly.

Face + Cut Tan Physique (<10%bf). Is what rules here for 18-24yo old chicks. If you are 5'8"+ with these two you have nothing to worry about. This is going back all the way to junior high until now. Nothing has changed. Young chicks want a great looking face + abs + tan. Those are their biggest concerns. Clothing comes in a pretty close second.

Now if you have an average or just above average face? Time to get jacked and have top style if you want hot chicks consistently, or get micro fame.

I'm not sure what you mean by "hot" girls but honestly a guy regardless would need some sort of fame as a prerequisite when it comes to the really hot girls (8s). Even here in SoCal, 8s are rare. I've probably seen maybe 100-120 8s so far this year (7 months). If you're referencing 7s as "hot" girls then I believe a good looking ripped guy can do fine with getting consistent results with 6s and 7s, if he knows what he's doing.

With that said, you need a lot of things going for yourself here in SoCal. You can be 6'6 and above average looks and still struggle to get 6s. So if you're average, I'm giving you a caution sign. I'm being real here, with the obvious logistic issue here, the main problem is the high level of competition. Lots of good looking surfer guys, MMA wannabes and whatnot. You can take one of these guys and throw them somewhere in the midwest and they'll be a top guy just because the level of competition is low. This is why some guys can do relatively better in other places/countries is because the competition they're up against is weak, not because the women are easier.

I hate this whole 1-10 rating system because at the end of the day, while beauty isn't entirely subjective, it does have many subjective components.

But my real beef is with your characterization of Socal competition vs. competition in the Midwest. I live in LA but I travel a decent amount for work, often to random midwest places. I've found that men in the midwest are generally better shape than women in the midwest by a country mile while SoCal men are only marginally better shape overall as compared to men in the midwest. So in Socal, you have a you have slightly more fit men chasing an infinitely larger pool of fit women while in the Midwest you have slightly less fit men chasing a much smaller pool of fit women.

Beyond that, I tend to think the importance of fitness is vastly overrated in the manosphere. Fitness should be pursued for personal goals and for improved confidence. But I don't really have confidence/inner game issues, and I'm spotty with my workout regimen. A friend recently described my physique as "a guy who was ripped three weeks ago but then kinda stopped caring." A small gut because I like good beer, ok muscles that are made to look bigger because I have a naturally stout frame. I'm 5'9" and fluctuate between 185-190 lbs right now and am cleaning up more than I did when I was regularly working out and weighing in between 165-170. And that added weight isn't muscle/bulk. Point is my current physique never cost me a bang and my more fit physique never got me a bang. My inner game and my charisma have accounted for every damn one.

Post: #586

The size of your muscles make a difference, but shoulder:waist ratio and leanness matter more. Having more muscle will only make it better, as long as you maintain that lean physique and you maintain or improve your shoulder:waist ratio. Its all about proportions

In terms of height the taller you are the better, but proportions are still more important.

IMO

Face > lean, proportionate physique >>>>> height > style >>>>>>> fullness of muscles

Post: #587

As far as muscle size goes, there's a limit. Having more muscle helps but you don't want to be 260lbs. And IMO, proportions and leanness are more important then size.

In terms of what's valued more, everything is important as women don't just look at one part and not the other. They look at the whole thing. I'd say the face is the top feature valued most compare to the others.

@Blacktree, This really needs to stop. There's not a lot of 8s around, let alone 9s and 10s on college campuses. I can easily count on one hand the number of 9s I saw throughout college. Women this hot have it a lot easier in society so college isn't even an option because it's not needed. Think of it like this, a real 9 is going to be the hottest girl 99% of guys will ever see in their life. Every guy that walks by her wants to fuck her. She's going to be approached by lots of high value guys. Women this hot know they have an very valuable commodity.

Post: #588

You lot need to stop going around in circles, respectfully. None of unnu are too bulky, 100 percent of the guys who are claiming that having a face is more important have a lot of work to do. The ones who are closer to the promised physique are in full accordance with the doctrines here. Again, height and your face can't be controlled so don't dwell on it.

Post: #589

I'm at a turning point in this whole debate.

Ive been on a pretty rigorous "crossfit-like" regimen that's been getting me what I think are really good results over the last few years. I'm about 6'0 and just under 160lbs. So i've spent almost my entire 20's as a very ripped, very skinny guy. Very hard ab and oblique definition but not much mass. Sort of like a fit lifeguard or water polo player. I was completely satisfied by this and didn't really have any desire to get any bigger, as Bruce Lee was one of my inspirations to get fit and I tried to follow his (physical) example. The girls I was seeing, every single one, said my level of musculature was ideal and I was crazy to try to change it.

But then I went I tried some juice for a while and switched exclusively to heavy lifts, and in an insanely short period got up to the low 180lbs weight. The difference in attention was unmistakeable. Sure I got lots of stares from slutty types, but I also just got more stares in general. Men, women, old, young.. I was being perceived differently and wasn't quite used to it yet. When I would walk up to a bar people just got out of my way. Grown men took me more seriously, it seemed. It was nuts, not to mention intoxicating.

That was a long time ago and im back to a feathery 150lb weight and my old pseudo-crossfit regime. I'm still really ripped, I get compliments on my definition from workout buddies that know what good definition would be. But now, when I look in the mirror, I just see a really skinny guy. I have the basic "silhouette" of a skinny guy. In a bar fight, when the other guy makes his initial split-second assessment of me, hes going to see a smaller and weaker opponent regardless of what im packing underneath my fitted shirt.

Fuck that. The fact that im only slightly heavier than a relatively tall, attractive girl just doesn't sit well with me anymore.

There is certainly a diminishing point, you obviously don't want to be one of those douches that constantly brings up what his bf% is, but there is a minimum threshold in my opinion that one should strive to meet or surpass. To me, its that a grown-ass man above 5'9 should weigh no less than 170lbs. If im not meeting this weight then im either changing diet, regimen or both until I do.

Post: #590

HonantheBarbarian, just sharing here and not trying to be rude. Clearly, you have experience with the heavier weight so you know what works for you. I think you are on the right track with your thinking.

But I think when guys size each other up, while I admire those who can keep a low BF%, mainly I look for mass and strength. Other key factors are intent and fighting experience (which is sort of hard to figure out). I don't do this because I am looking for a fight, just my curiosity.

I bring this up because of this statement you made "hes going to see a smaller and weaker opponent regardless of what im packing underneath my fitted shirt."

My point is at 150, I don't think anyone cares what is underneath the fitted shirt. All I mean is shredded 6 pack at 150 won't help much.

Maybe this was a long winded statement to say, I think you are on the right track about adding mass.

Hope this came off as supportive.

My problem is that though I am in the 180s (well less now doing RFL), guys always thought I was 10 lbs less than my true weight. Always been slightly annoying. I am not trying to sound like a douchebag or humble brag, but it isn't like I can say to someone I weigh 10 lbs more than I look or I bench 275 twice (there are guys on here that are so much stronger but I am proud to have worked hard to get to this point). Size and strength are signaling tools, so I am totally on board with you. I wish I looked my weight.

Post: #591

Sam, you are absolutely right and I agree. I guess the point I was trying to make with the barfight comment is that if I was 170 or 180lbs, the other guy might not even step. Also, I want to clarify that I work my entire body and use like 12 different excersizes. I hope I didn't make the impression of some college kid that does a couple dozen situps by his matress every other day with my earlier comment.

Arnold's commentary about the "respect of size" is absolutely true. I scoffed at this kind of thinking in the past, believing that a smaller, faster and smarter guy could always figure his way past a stronger, more massive opponent. It wasn't until I bulked up that I realized "respect of size" is very real.

Post: #592

And some guys deliberately look for someone big to fight. Especially if they have a chip on their shoulder. I don't see many blokes in the UK looking to get into a barfight with skinny men unless they are asking for it. Just saying - it goes both ways!

Post: #593

(07-28-2015 02:05 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  Sam, you are absolutely right and I agree. I guess the point I was trying to make with the barfight comment is that if I was 170 or 180lbs, the other guy might not even step. Also, I want to clarify that I work my entire body and use like 12 different excersizes. I hope I didn't make the impression of some college kid that does a couple dozen situps by his matress every other day with my earlier comment.

Arnold's commentary about the "respect of size" is absolutely true. I scoffed at this kind of thinking in the past, believing that a smaller, faster and smarter guy could always figure his way past a stronger, more massive opponent. It wasn't until I bulked up that I realized "respect of size" is very real.

Hey champ, no I didn't get that college kid impression. I got the impression you worked hard at it. I do think if you were smaller but within range - let's say 10 lbs of the other guy, being faster may help. But as the weight range widened it just doesn't make sense to to fight bigger guys. Even if they are not cut up or shredded.

I have learned best just to not fight, you just never know who you are dealing with.

The only guys that are significantly bigger than me that I would fight are bronies but they wouldn't want to fight in the first place.

I am always confused by guys going into a situation looking for a fight. I mean, how fucked up are they to start the night with that as the goal. Can anyone here explain that to me?

Post: #594

(07-28-2015 02:38 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I am always confused by guys going into a situation looking for a fight. I mean, how fucked up are they to start the night with that as the goal. Can anyone here explain that to me?

Misplaced aggression. Some guys don't have game so they use the sexual frustration to pound out other guys. I used to go pub with some guy from uni from the rugby team. He got all bashful to chat to lizards but never hesitated to make another man bleed (saw him bash heads in on multiple occasions).

Post: #595

The weight numbers in this thread don't make much sense to me. I'm 6' 1" and 225 and don't feel "big". Granted, I have some more (20lb.) fat I should lose. Even so, I think a lot of my muscle mass is in my legs.

Post: #596

Great interview with 50, there's a part in here that really stood out to me and a friend I shared this with; the piece is on working out, but he goes much deeper than that:

Quote:For me, I would, myself, invest in me. Usually twice out of the day I'll go to the shower and then, since I've been training, I've been going straight to the gym and then having to do the shower again before actually going off for work. It's crazy. After training I go to a lot of meetings and stuff like that. And then I go back to go train again, but it does give me a chance to think about everything else. Specifically when it's cardio work, 'cause it's the same repetitive process. I get a chance to kind of go over everything. I think it's good to work out before business hours, 'cause you kinda go over your day in your head before you get started.

I can be big with no problem. I train to stay down so everything is the way it's supposed to be. It's having functional strength versus just being bodybuilder strong. I trained in Venice, the Gold's Gym in Los Angeles, because you will see everything you need to see for inspiration in that room. You see the extremes. A girl will come in and pick up the same weights you were picking up, and it'll push you. You know, provide incentive and reasoning to go a little further. I think whenever you get in the gym, well, you're at the wrong gym if you're the hottest person in your gym. I think you should be somewhere surrounded by people that are actually working.

Everything that's good for you doesn't necessarily taste good. You start eating like fuel. I eat a lot of egg whites and turkey. There's more sodium in your cold cut turkey than there is in your turkey from Thanksgiving. I have elected to carve it out, like, four or five egg whites in an omelet, and I just break up the turkey inside it and it adds a flavor for me, so it's fine. Around lunchtime I have chicken and broccoli. I change it between chicken and broccoli and chicken and asparagus because it helps draw the water out of my body. I eat small meals, so I get a chance to eat throughout the day. It's important that people force themselves to have breakfast. I'm not hungry at that point, but I eat it because I need to have it burning in my system.

If you're not training specifically for something, then I say eat clean. Don't eat the way you're supposed to eat for a specific time period and regimen, because it's so tough to sustain that. You relapse, you start eating all kinds of crazy stuff and it'll encourage you to not follow your regimen. I always say when you go to the gym, don't try to do something today that you can do over time. You get it in, you work too hard, and it'll come the following day because the fatigue, the energy, is there the next day. So you want to gradually increase the workout. And that is cool. I've had trainers around me that work with me at my peak performance. You know how people say muscles have memory? Yeah, that's true, but so do the trainers. They remember and push you harder, because they remember where you were.

I have extreme people, people that have extreme passion around me. It's why I'm doing better in my life in general. Like, in the twelve-step program, it tells you to change your people, places, and things if you want success and sobriety. And that's for everything, that law. So, if you have more intense people that have the drive and are committed to the things that they're working on around you, it'll make things easier for you to digest the concepts and being focused and just doing what you have to. I've seen the fighters come in and train. When they're serious about training, it rolls off. It's like, I can do whatever I want to do with my body in eight weeks. I don't even know how you'd explain it. They'll come in 180 pounds and be 154 come fight week, make weight, and then go back, eat, relax. To be able to do that, that shit is intense.

I pictured success, but it looks different and it feels a lot different than what you would anticipate, because you have to become so conscious of people who aren't successful. You've got a bullseye on your back. You got an army of intelligent people that would like nothing better than to tear you apart. You got lawyers that sit there—I don't know if we should call them lawyers or ambulance chasers—but they look for an opportunity just to support someone else taking their shot at you. And then in order for you to represent yourself properly, you gotta pay top lawyers and attorneys to defend yourself. Success has expenses connected that no one's actually conscious of. When you don't come from success, when you haven't had that silver spoon, and people haven't adjusted to you—when they say you changed, a lot of things around you changed around you at the same time, they start developing entitlement, 'cause they knew you before you had any of this success. And then as you evolve and start to learn new things, someone's like—actually, if you're not learning something new every day, you're falling behind. You see people kinda sit in the same rut, see exactly where you were. To some people, when I smile, it's a devilish grin, because they remember me smiling in the middle of activities that weren't so cool, weren't so positive, the energy around. So they think I pulled off the greatest hoax ever and that I've convinced the world that my intentions are different. But it's only because they haven't changed.

http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/health/...ut-advice/

Post: #597

Little question. Physically speaking only, what would women prefer, a 5'7" guy with a fitness model physique, or a 6'2" gangly fucker?

Post: #598

Thx for the post Jariel. That was informative. I liked the part where he talks about everythings gotta change around you if you want success. I see what probably stood out to you, about if your the best looking at your gym than your at the wrong gym. That also stood out to me too. You always gotta have that drive and some days its next to impossible to find and others its easy. Informative read.

Post: #599

(07-31-2015 01:30 PM)The_Wonder Wrote:  Little question. Physically speaking only, what would women prefer, a 5'7" guy with a fitness model physique, or a 6'2" gangly fucker?

Since you're new I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'll just say that these are the types of posts that make threads go in circles (i.e. how this thread is starting to drift) or have been covered on the forum many times before.

But more important than the redundancy, is that they result in very little actionable/practical self improvement.

You can't change your height, work with what you've got.

If you're skinny, get bigger. If you're fat, get leaner. Once you've taken care of those extremes then we can debate more narrowly in terms of muscle mass.

Post: #600

Do you think this guy is too big?
Do you think girls would find this physique attractive?