Post: #26

What do you guys do when it's 100F outside with 80% humidity, and you want to go to a tiki bar full of bikini clad women?

Wouldn't you sweat too much? Do girls dig sweaty blazer armpits?
What if one the girls ran up and gave you a hug, and she was covered in Hawaiian Tropic, and stained the blazer?

Post: #27

(10-18-2011 05:52 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  What do you guys do when it's 100F outside with 80% humidity, and you want to go to a tiki bar full of bikini clad women?

Wouldn't you sweat too much? Do girls dig sweaty blazer armpits?
What if one the girls ran up and gave you a hug, and she was covered in Hawaiian Tropic, and stained the blazer?

Ali, I never wear a suit out on a hot day (other than for work or formal functions). Some guys around here may try to rock a suit at tiki bar, but i'd most def be wearing something much cooler and more stylish.

Post: #28

(10-18-2011 05:42 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 10:38 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I like keeping it casual during the week, but on weekends the crowds are bigger and the foreigners pack it in, so I like to do more to separate myself from them. I want to buy an off-the-rack suit to wear occasionally, not to get approached more but just to get that extra boost of warmer receptions from looking better than literally every other guy in the building.

Near me is a Zara and they seem to have the best selection. Here is a suit I tried on today:

It costs $250 for the jacket and pants. The breast pocket is not real, so no room for a pocket square. Every other store has suits more for work than going out. Tips? Suggestions?

Related threads:
-Suit & Tie While Traveling
-Custom Suits

I've been wearing suits for about ten years for work and pleasure. I think you know this, but make sure you buy a stylish suit -- not a business suit. I would get something with a slim fit, double vent in the back of the jacket, flat front slacks, no cuffs, and if you want to rock a tie go with something thin like in the picture you posted. Slim ties are in for style (not so much in the business world).
All that said, consider skipping the tie and going with a dark shirt (if you have a dark suit) that has some deep red or purple mixed in. Purple sounds gay, but it works with a black suit..very well. Can almost never go wrong with a deep red. Black shirt with an open collar (no undershirt) is king for me. See the way Clooney wears it:

With your dark features in a dark suit, the Polish women will cream on the spot.

If you need shoes, go with a black slip-on that you can shine up. I spent years buying $400 bruno maglis only to learn that you can get the same, if not better, use out of a pair of $100 shoes. Cheaper if you want. Just make sure they don't hurt your feet and you can shine them up. In my years of wearing expensive shoes, even today, women have never complimented them (majority don't know how to spot expensive men's shoes). Good luck.

Good post.

Royal Purple and Blood Dripping Red are two of my secret weapons.

Side note: Not sure if these colors look good on white cats. It is better if you are tan/ darker.

"I spent years buying $400 bruno maglis only to learn that you can get the same, if not better, use out of a pair of $100 shoes.'

I am not on the same sheet of music with you on this.

I always go quality on shoes, and I feel they actually save you money.

G Move: Locking Down your Shoe Cobbler

Undefeated Gucci Loafers

Custom Suits and Dope Shoes: Save Money by Spending Money

Post: #29

(10-18-2011 05:58 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 05:52 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  What do you guys do when it's 100F outside with 80% humidity, and you want to go to a tiki bar full of bikini clad women?

Wouldn't you sweat too much? Do girls dig sweaty blazer armpits?
What if one the girls ran up and gave you a hug, and she was covered in Hawaiian Tropic, and stained the blazer?

Ali, I never wear a suit out on a hot day (other than for work or formal functions). Some guys around here may try to rock a suit at tiki bar, but i'd most def be wearing something much cooler and more stylish.

Ahh. I was just confused. G said always go suited down. I'm just trying to figure it out.

Post: #30

(10-18-2011 06:08 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Good post.

Royal Purple and Blood Dripping Red are two of my secret weapons.

Side note: Not sure if these colors look good on white cats. It is better if you are tan/ darker.

"I spent years buying $400 bruno maglis only to learn that you can get the same, if not better, use out of a pair of $100 shoes.'

I am not on the same sheet of music with you on this.

I always go quality on shoes, and I feel they actually save you money.

G Move: Locking Down your Shoe Cobbler

Undefeated Gucci Loafers

Custom Suits and Dope Shoes: Save Money by Spending Money

G - do you ever go with custom shoes?

e.g. in Buenos Aires, this spot is tight:

http://www.calzadoscorrea.com.ar/

Post: #31

Why nobody mentioned white suits

Post: #32

There's three basic things to keep in mind when buying a suit: material, construction and fit.

Material is easy. 100% wool is the way to go. Construction is where it can get really complicated and really expensive. Ideally, you'd want a jacket that's fully canvased and trousers that are lined. That's going to cost you, though, and probably not necessary for your purposes. You just want to take a good look at the suit and make sure it's well-made.

The fit is going to be the most important thing; that's what will make or break the suit. Off the rack, you're going to want to make sure it fits in the shoulders and chest. Natural shoulders are the mark of good suit. You don't want shoulders that are too big or have too much padding. And you want to make sure that you have enough room in the chest to move about. The jacket should have enough waist suppression to accentuate the natural V of a man's body, but a tailor can do that.

The length of the pants and the sleeves is where a lot of guys mess up. If your sleeves are hanging down to your palms or your pants are bunched up above your shoes, you'll look like a kid in his dad's suit. You want about a half-inch of your shirts cuff showing below the jacket cuff, maybe a little more if you want to flash some fly cuff links. Traditionally, suit trousers are worn high up on the waist. A place like Zara is likely to have a much more modern, Euro cut that sits lower on the hips. Either way is fine, just make sure you're aware of how the pants are cut. If you have pants mean to sit up on the waist and you wear them down on your hips, it's going to look like you're wearing a dirty diaper. For someone with your build, I'd recommend a sizable cuff (1 3/4") and a definite break in the trousers.

Post: #33

if you are going to wear them to shitty bars w/nasty floors go cheap on the shoes. otherwise spend a few hundred bucks and find shoes that are comfortable for you and you will have them at least 10 years. maybe 20. seriously.

Post: #34

(10-18-2011 05:52 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  What do you guys do when it's 100F outside with 80% humidity, and you want to go to a tiki bar full of bikini clad women?

Wouldn't you sweat too much? Do girls dig sweaty blazer armpits?
What if one the girls ran up and gave you a hug, and she was covered in Hawaiian Tropic, and stained the blazer?

This mentality is what i call the Raising Objections mindset.

You're always looking for why things WON'T work.

It's far more positive to find out ways things WILL work.

Critics are never visionaries.

Post: #35

Question, is it tacky to have a shirt untucked under a blazer?

Post: #36

(10-18-2011 07:06 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 05:52 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  What do you guys do when it's 100F outside with 80% humidity, and you want to go to a tiki bar full of bikini clad women?

Wouldn't you sweat too much? Do girls dig sweaty blazer armpits?
What if one the girls ran up and gave you a hug, and she was covered in Hawaiian Tropic, and stained the blazer?

This mentality is what i call the Raising Objections mindset.

You're always looking for why things WON'T work.

It's far more positive to find out ways things WILL work.

Critics are never visionaries.

No. I own custom suits. There are MANY places where I would look out of place. Like a tiki bar. Walking the streets of Dubai in the middle of summer. I think the custom suit thing is a little over hyped.

Post: #37

(10-18-2011 06:34 PM)Brian Wrote:  if you are going to wear them to shitty bars w/nasty floors go cheap on the shoes. otherwise spend a few hundred bucks and find shoes that are comfortable for you and you will have them at least 10 years. maybe 20. seriously.

Men's leather shoes can easily last 20 years, especially if resoled and reconditioned. Billionaire New York Mayor Bloomberg has had only two pair in 20 years!
Bloomberg's Shoes Last 10+ Years

Warning - expensive traditional leather lace-ups like Church's or Alden may not break in and stretch like cheaper shoes. I have had to discard a few expensive pairs that never fit right. Softer Italian leather (Ferragamo, etc.) shouldn't have this problem.

Women can tell expensive shoes. Nasty floors should not be a problem (in contrast to hiking through mud and rain).

Suits and shoes go on sale after July 4th and after Christmas. If you want a special item in your size then you should buy at the beginning of the season. But you almost always get black wingtips or grey suits cheaper on sale.

Post: #38

LostGringo,
That tip of yours about wearing a pilot's uniform is GOLDEN man. I'm going to get one done for me. Would you suggest one fromr a major airline or a smaller one?

Speaking of suits, I have a few and I totally agree that wearing suits gives you way better treatment than if you were in jeans/t-shirt.
Btw, G, since you're the suit pro, a suit with or without a tie? While I like wearing suits, I'm not a fan of wearing ties. Have you noticed a difference in terms of vibe you got from both lizards and people in general while wearing a tie versus not wearing one?

Post: #39

(10-18-2011 01:54 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  an airline pilot uniform.
You have instant social status, money and trust - plus you are a globe-trotting man of mystery.

This is intriguing because airline pilots make very little money today (I have written about this before). In the 1970's, airlines were regulated and pilots were unionized. It wasn't easy to accumulate the requisite flight hours in civilian jobs, and pilots were paid well. The government and unions could require 10,000 flight hours in military bombers, creating an artificial scarcity of pilots. They could also regulate ticket prices. Remember, tickets were expensive and stewardess's (flight attendants) had weight requirements for "safety".

But today, flight school is expensive and pilot pay is abysmal. Some guys do it because they love to fly. It is interesting that women don't appreciate this.

Post: #40

(10-19-2011 09:06 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  But today, flight school is expensive and pilot pay is abysmal. Some guys do it because they love to fly. It is interesting that women don't appreciate this.

You are expecting women to behave in a logical manner. Correct this mindset immediately.

Post: #41

(10-19-2011 09:06 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 01:54 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  an airline pilot uniform.
You have instant social status, money and trust - plus you are a globe-trotting man of mystery.

This is intriguing because airline pilots make very little money today (I have written about this before). In the 1970's, airlines were regulated and pilots were unionized. It wasn't easy to accumulate the requisite flight hours in civilian jobs, and pilots were paid well. The government and unions could require 10,000 flight hours in military bombers, creating an artificial scarcity of pilots. They could also regulate ticket prices. Remember, tickets were expensive and stewardess's (flight attendants) had weight requirements for "safety".

But today, flight school is expensive and pilot pay is abysmal. Some guys do it because they love to fly. It is interesting that women don't appreciate this.

On what planet is this airline industry you write about? I'll make sure not to apply for a job there........

Post: #42

(10-18-2011 07:07 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Question, is it tacky to have a shirt untucked under a blazer?

I recommend not doing it..IMO it's not sharp, it's tacky and sloppy. The only place I think you can get away with it, is in NA.

Post: #43

(10-19-2011 12:29 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  

(10-19-2011 09:06 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 01:54 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  an airline pilot uniform.
You have instant social status, money and trust - plus you are a globe-trotting man of mystery.

This is intriguing because airline pilots make very little money today (I have written about this before). In the 1970's, airlines were regulated and pilots were unionized. It wasn't easy to accumulate the requisite flight hours in civilian jobs, and pilots were paid well. The government and unions could require 10,000 flight hours in military bombers, creating an artificial scarcity of pilots. They could also regulate ticket prices. Remember, tickets were expensive and stewardess's (flight attendants) had weight requirements for "safety".

But today, flight school is expensive and pilot pay is abysmal. Some guys do it because they love to fly. It is interesting that women don't appreciate this.

On what planet is this airline industry you write about? I'll make sure not to apply for a job there........

Regional airline pilots start out in the $20-30k range. The only airlines that pay the big bucks are the Majors (Delta, American, FedEx, Untied, etc). Otherwise, flying is not a well-paid profession. It's very difficult to get all your tickets and spend all the time as a flight instructor to accumulate the necessary hours only to compete (strong competition) for a lousy paying job at a regional airline. In the major airlines, seniority is everything. It drives pay, aircraft type, routes, schedule.
There are schools that train you ab initio (from the ground up) but they are easily $75k nowadays and not always valued by an employer because many think you do not pay your dues by simply paying for everything - certifications and flight hours - all at once.

To be a pilot, you have to truly be in love with flying...because it's a long, hard road to getting the dream job.

The good thing is I guarantee most women out there have no idea and will simply be turned on by a pilot's uniform.

Post: #44

(10-18-2011 07:15 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  Women can tell expensive shoes. Nasty floors should not be a problem (in contrast to hiking through mud and rain).

My experience has been exactly the opposite - women have no clue when I wear expensive shoes. I've tested/retested this one a thousand times. Don't give the average woman too much credit when it comes to men's style. They like the latest trend, or a certain look, but unless they see a logo they recognize, or work in retail, chances are they don't the difference between a casual $40 and a $150 button down shirt. Same with shoes.

As an aside, Bloomberg has only had 2 shoes in twenty years, but I don't see how. I guess I'm rough on shoes since I wear them every day, but I've had them resoled, etc and I still find I have to replace my shoes every 12-18 months for black. Other colors (ox blood) last longer because I do not wear them as frequently.

Post: #45

(10-18-2011 10:38 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The breast pocket is not real, so no room for a pocket square.

Sure it's not just sewn shut? (Not uncommon.)

Post: #46

(10-19-2011 04:49 PM)Smitty Wrote:  As an aside, Bloomberg has only had 2 shoes in twenty years, but I don't see how. I guess I'm rough on shoes since I wear them every day, but I've had them resoled, etc and I still find I have to replace my shoes every 12-18 months for black. Other colors (ox blood) last longer because I do not wear them as frequently.

What brand of shoes are you buying? I used to buy Kenneth Coles and they would fall apart on me within a year. It's really difficult to get a well-made pair of shoes below the $300 price point. That's retail though, you can do better with factory seconds or on eBay.

Post: #47

(10-19-2011 04:59 PM)PDX Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 10:38 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The breast pocket is not real, so no room for a pocket square.

Sure it's not just sewn shut? (Not uncommon.)

Good point. I frequently leave the side jacket pockets sewn shut so they stay flat and trim, instead of giving a baggy appearance. On that note, I prefer flush pockets to patch or flap pockets for a slimmer look.

Post: #48

(10-19-2011 04:49 PM)Smitty Wrote:  Don't give the average woman too much credit when it comes to men's style. They like the latest trend, or a certain look, but unless they see a logo they recognize, or work in retail, chances are they don't the difference between a casual $40 and a $150 button down shirt. Same with shoes.

Agree with this. Once had a girl stop me and ask me what brand suit I was wearing because "she works in fashion and can tell when clothes are designer and amazing". I was wearing a $30 black blazer from H&M and $80 black dress pants from gap.

Post: #49

(10-18-2011 10:38 AM)Roosh Wrote:  It costs $250 for the jacket and pants. The breast pocket is not real, so no room for a pocket square. Every other store has suits more for work than going out. Tips? Suggestions?

Roosh,

I never wore a Zara suit before, but I'm pretty sure you just have to use a knife to cut the threads that sew the pocket shut.

I just did the same on the Versace that I picked up today.

Post: #50

(10-18-2011 10:38 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The breast pocket is not real, so no room for a pocket square.

The breast pocket may not seem real, but most likely it's been tied closed to keep the structure of the breast pocket intact when they transport it. All you have to do when you buy it is cut the strings holding the breast pocket closed.