Post: #251

Many people are using his admission that he acquired drugs for purposes of giving to girls as "proof" that he raped them. You read comments in news stories or FB and it's just one moron after another saying, "case closed, he raped them, he admitted drugging them, anyone that defends this man is defending an admitted rapist!" Nowhere did he mention that he gave it them without their consent. And maybe he did, I don't know, I wasn't there, but acquire drugs for the purposes of giving them to women isn't exactly proof of rape either. When I read those comments it just makes my blood boil. It's nothing but a witch hunt. Anywhere else in the world, nobody would even give a shit.

Post: #252

(07-18-2015 08:41 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Great minds think alike WIA.

Indeed, caught some of the stuff that I didn't.

WIA

Post: #253

(07-18-2015 09:30 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Many people are using his admission that he acquired drugs for purposes of giving to girls as "proof" that he raped them. You read comments in news stories or FB and it's just one moron after another saying, "case closed, he raped them, he admitted drugging them, anyone that defends this man is defending an admitted rapist!" Nowhere did he mention that he gave it them without their consent. And maybe he did, I don't know, I wasn't there, but acquire drugs for the purposes of giving them to women isn't exactly proof of rape either. When I read those comments it just makes my blood boil. It's nothing but a witch hunt. Anywhere else in the world, nobody would even give a shit.

RVF is the only place that I could/would make the same point.

Getting drugs, getting weed, getting liquor, getting oysters/chocolate/flowers - that doesn't mean rape

A more troubling issue is
- she consents to sex
- she consents to drug use
- before taking drugs, she consents to having sex while high/relaxed

Once he puts the P into the V when she's high - is her former consent null and void? Is it possible to LEGALLY consent to having sex while on drugs?

You can't really talk about that question without triggering a diatribe
- date rape
- rape culture

Meanwhile, all over San Francisco and other SJW hot beds, liberal and feminist girls are plying themselves with alcohol and hooking up with dudes anyway.

I've been wanting to bring this up among lawyers, but I don't want my professional reputation to take a hit. Some esoteric question of consent would only suggest to lesser minds that I was somehow evil and or/condoning Bill's behavior.

It's like the guy who's willing to defend a child molester...

Every man deserves his day in court is what they say out loud, but that high minded ideal is not what's in their hearts.

WIA

Post: #254

I was reading this article today about the Cosby deposition:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bill-co...id=UP97DHP

It's clear that quaaludes and Benadryl were popular party drugs in the 1970s. His use of them was not extraordinary.

For me it's still hard to know what to make of all these accusations. On the one hand, I think any man is wandering into dangerous territory in America when he mixes intoxicants and seduction.

The issue still revolves around consent. But how can we evaluate consent? It's a murky, shifting standard.

I don't like the fact that Cosby felt it necessary to use quaaludes as part of his seduction game. But on the other hand, it's not entirely clear that these were non-consensual encounters. These girls used him for career advice, used him for advancement, and used him for status-whoring, and now 30 years later we hear about non-consensual sex.

Cosby was no angel, that is clear.

But I'm uncomfortable with how the centuries old-legal protections are being eroded by political correctness. The onus should not be on the accused to prove that he did not commit a crime. An accuser is afforded no special status under the law. The burden of proof must always remain with the prosecution.

This goes for "rape accusation" cases, as well as other types of sex cases. Defendants have a right to confront their accusers. Those accusers need to be subjected to cross-examination in open court, so that their credibility can be tested and evaluated.

Do-gooder legislatures and the popular media are eroding these rights. And I think it's dangerous.

Post: #255

(07-19-2015 01:11 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  For me it's still hard to know what to make of all these accusations. On the one hand, I think any man is wandering into dangerous territory in America when he mixes intoxicants and seduction.

The issue still revolves around consent. But how can we evaluate consent? It's a murky, shifting standard.

In the 70s this might not even have been seen as rape. Standards have changed dramatically. When my dad was coming up, there was nothing controversial about corporal punishment. His dad beat him with an extension cord. There was no concept of child abuse then. You did something bad, your parents beat your ass. The cops wouldn't come to rescue you. Now a parent can go to jail for beating their kid. The social standard has changed. I'd be willing to bet that in the past, that grey area of sex while under the influence was not seen as rape. I think people are judging Cosby today by standards that didn't exist then.

Post: #256

(07-09-2015 12:40 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  In closing Fuck Hannibal Buress, that down syndrome looking mutherfucker ain't funny and is a crab in a barrel who ain't done shit for the black community. I hope his new SJW masters find some "problematic" shit out about him and he has to go through trial by social media and bitter bitches, it would serve his crab ass right.

From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Buress

Quote:Buress was a writer on Saturday Night Live from 2009 to 2010.He left having had only one of his sketches aired. In September 2010, he began writing for the fifth season of the NBC comedy series 30 Rock. He quit after six months.

Looks like all the guy will ever be known for is bringing down Bill Cosby, and not anything he did of merit. Yes he did win Chicago's Funniest Man award a while back, but honestly I can't think of anybody who has heard of him before the Cosby joke.

Post: #257

(07-19-2015 03:17 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  In the 70s this might not even have been seen as rape. Standards have changed dramatically. When my dad was coming up, there was nothing controversial about corporal punishment. His dad beat him with an extension cord. There was no concept of child abuse then. You did something bad, your parents beat your ass. The cops wouldn't come to rescue you. Now a parent can go to jail for beating their kid. The social standard has changed. I'd be willing to bet that in the past, that grey area of sex while under the influence was not seen as rape. I think people are judging Cosby today by standards that didn't exist then.

I completely agree.

Post: #258

I'm saying that it's not even using a 70's standard. Drugs are drugs. Ludes, coke, MDMA, or simple alcohol. Even in the modern day you get a girl over to your place and make her a martini, that's giving her a drug. If the girl knows what's up, there is nothing in that that is rape.

How can these people not understand this simple thing? He's not moral, but morality is subjective and not universal. A moral code is not a legal code.

Just like every one of these BS cases it is like this: the actions are not something you would be proud to tell your parents, but it is not rape.

Also, I'm not saying that all these girls were like this, but there are certainly a lot of girls out there that do party drugs very casually. This is because they have ready access to free drugs from all the different kind of hipster/rich dudes they are banging and partying with. Unless you are Jim Morrison, most well-to-do girls in their 20's [atleast in the West] have done way more drugs and much crazier shit than you. I briefly entered into this world by hanging out with the right crowd.

You go to a club/bar at night and a lot of these girls are on drugs while you're just having a few drinks, and you won't even recognize it. A lot of them have a glazed look in their eyes because they are so out of touch with their humanity, or need to get glazed just to have social interactions.They're probably much more drunk than you are too. They can take this risk because they never have to deal with the consequences of getting out of control. On the other hand I'm terrified of getting too under the influence most of the time because I could end up in a fight, get kicked out, or catch a "sketch rape" accusation.

I have had a girl get drunk and kick me in the body and face while sitting down, and face no consequence.

Post: #259

I don't like what Hannible did to Cosby, but I do think hes pretty funny. Heres some of his standup.

Watch "Hannibal Buress 2015 - Best Stand Up Comedy Full Show 2015 - Best Stand Up Comedian Ever" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/VCxLDwMX1cY

Post: #260

If you go to a Miami nightclub at 4am when the girls are choosing who to go home with I guarantee you they are wasted off their ass. I have gone home with a girl from the club many times in Miami and been surprised at the drugs they pull out of their purses and indulge in while at their apartment, some cannot wait and pull their shit out in the Uber on the way to their place.

Before City Hall closed the legal 24 hour clubs in Atlanta in 2004, if you were talking to woman (or anyone for that matter) at any of the 24 hour spots they were completely blasted-Crystal Meth took over Atlanta in 1998 and the 24 hour clubs were packed from Thursday until Monday morning full of wasted people doing everything to each other.

Post: #261

(07-19-2015 03:36 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  If you go to a Miami nightclub at 4am when the girls are choosing who to go home with I guarantee you they are wasted off their ass. I have gone home with a girl from the club many times in Miami and been surprised at the drugs they pull out of their purses and indulge in while at their apartment, some cannot wait and pull their shit out in the Uber on the way to their place.

Before City Hall closed the legal 24 hour clubs in Atlanta in 2004, if you were talking to woman (or anyone for that matter) at any of the 24 hour spots they were completely blasted-Crystal Meth took over Atlanta in 1998 and the 24 hour clubs were packed from Thursday until Monday morning full of wasted people doing everything to each other.

I just saw a documentary on Netflix about an Atlanta gangster named Big Meech from the Black Mafia Family. The show said he controlled the drug trade in clubs there.

Post: #262

(07-18-2015 10:04 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(07-18-2015 09:30 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Many people are using his admission that he acquired drugs for purposes of giving to girls as "proof" that he raped them. You read comments in news stories or FB and it's just one moron after another saying, "case closed, he raped them, he admitted drugging them, anyone that defends this man is defending an admitted rapist!" Nowhere did he mention that he gave it them without their consent. And maybe he did, I don't know, I wasn't there, but acquire drugs for the purposes of giving them to women isn't exactly proof of rape either. When I read those comments it just makes my blood boil. It's nothing but a witch hunt. Anywhere else in the world, nobody would even give a shit.

RVF is the only place that I could/would make the same point.

Getting drugs, getting weed, getting liquor, getting oysters/chocolate/flowers - that doesn't mean rape

A more troubling issue is
- she consents to sex
- she consents to drug use
- before taking drugs, she consents to having sex while high/relaxed

Once he puts the P into the V when she's high - is her former consent null and void? Is it possible to LEGALLY consent to having sex while on drugs?

You can't really talk about that question without triggering a diatribe
- date rape
- rape culture

Meanwhile, all over San Francisco and other SJW hot beds, liberal and feminist girls are plying themselves with alcohol and hooking up with dudes anyway.

I've been wanting to bring this up among lawyers, but I don't want my professional reputation to take a hit. Some esoteric question of consent would only suggest to lesser minds that I was somehow evil and or/condoning Bill's behavior.

It's like the guy who's willing to defend a child molester...

Every man deserves his day in court is what they say out loud, but that high minded ideal is not what's in their hearts.

WIA

This bring an interesting point to mind.

Case A: A guy gets drugs and secretly mixes them into a drink without a girl knowing, she has the drink and then he later bangs her while she is drugged out her mind. Textbook "date rape" or "SJW rape porn"

Case B: A guy gets drugs and lays them out on the table in front of a girl and says "here are a bunch of drugs, you are welcome to get high if you want"...she, being a party girl does them all willingly and the guy then later bangs her while she was drugged out of her mind....not blacked out or anything, just high. Is that rape? Is that any different than banging a girl that slams half a bottle of vodka before going to the bar? Is it always rape if there is any drug involved besides alchohol? Like WIA said, is it 'rape' if you load her up on oysters and chocolate aka 'dietary aphrodisiacs'

Post: #263

The woman have wasted no time getting the attention that dried up decades ago. Posing for magazine covers now. Anyone here remember Roosh's law.




They all crashed into the wall at the speed of light.

Post: #264

Note the dates under some of the women. "Ca. late 1980s. Ca. early 1990s. Ca. 1960s." Interesting that for such a deep, traumatising event some of them can't even lock down when it happened to a particular year.

Post: #265

(07-27-2015 12:53 AM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  The woman have wasted no time getting the attention that dried up decades ago. Posing for magazine covers now. Anyone here remember Roosh's law.




They all crashed into the wall at the speed of light.

This is trial by media. No court has found him guilty.

Regardless of what anyone personally thinks, this sets the awful precedent of letting accusers rile up the media to create a witch hunt. Maybe Cosby is guilty, but maybe the next guy won't be -- but that won't matter because this is being driven by accusations, not what a court of law says.

What are they saying here with this photo and the accompanying article? "None of these women could bring this to trial, but that doesn't matter to us." I don't buy the idea that Cosby would have retailated against his accusers and that's why they didn't try to get him convicted either. He's a comedian, not the mafia. Mike Tyson, after all, did prison time for rape and the idea of facing him had to have been a thousand times scarier than potentially facing down Cosby.

Finally, if one of these cases does make it to trial, how will he ever get get a fair hearing?

Post: #266

(07-27-2015 08:44 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Regardless of what anyone personally thinks, this sets the awful precedent of letting accusers rile up the media to create a witch hunt.

Set a precedent? Trial by a hysterical public, whipped up by a media that loves blood more than serial killers, is as old as the hills. About twenty years ago it was satanic abuse in childcare centres -- look at the McMartin case, where literally dozens of children "came forward" thanks to the egging on of a glory-hunting prosecutor and a seriously addled psychologist.

(07-27-2015 08:44 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Finally, if one of these cases does make it to trial, how will he ever get get a fair hearing?

He can't. That's the entire point of the article. The New Yorker knows he likely will never be successfully sued, so they'll try and destroy him this way instead.

That said: if he has, indeed, raped one or more women as judged by the standards of the time of the commission of the crime, then let the bastard burn.

Post: #267

(07-27-2015 12:53 AM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  The woman have wasted no time getting the attention that dried up decades ago. Posing for magazine covers now. Anyone here remember Roosh's law.




They all crashed into the wall at the speed of light.

Alpha widows, the whole lot.

Post: #268

It's funny, some of them claimed to have been raped in 1976, 1978, 1982.

That must have been some damn fine rape, the way they keep coming back for more.

Post: #269

Article here:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/se...clnk&gl=us

Post: #270

I salute Bill Cosby. He banged a fuck ton of bitches!

Post: #271

They are dressed in black and you can still see all these fat rolls.

I think the empty chair is the one with the most credibility. Yes, I believe the chair.

Post: #272

Quote:This project began six months ago, when we started contacting the then-30 women who had publicly claimed Cosby assaulted them, and it snowballed in the same way that the initial accusations did: First two women signed on, then others heard about it and joined in, and so on. Just a few days before the story was published, we photographed the final two women, bringing our total to 35. “I’m no longer afraid,” said Chelan Lasha, who came forward late last year to say that Cosby had drugged her when she was 17. “I feel more powerful than him.”

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #273

Author of NY Mag Article. Can't imagine what seeing her in real life would be like.

Post: #274

as long as making rape false accusations will be rewarded with worldwide fame and being published on the cover of a magazine,
the false rape accusations will flourish and multiply faster than flies on a shit

Post: #275

Bill Cosby was shady. But the way the media is portraying this is misleading to say the least. Via an interview NPR did with the author from the New Yorker:

Quote:BLOCK: The 35 women in your piece all allege attacks that are very similar, follow a very close pattern. And I want to play some audio that you have on the New York magazine website of Victoria Valentino. She's a former singer and actress, and she's describing what happened at a dinner with Bill Cosby in 1969.


VICTORIA VALENTINO: He reached over, and he put a pill next to my wine glass. He said, take this. It'll make you feel better. It'll make us all feel better.

So she went over to a strangers house, started drinking, and taking unidentified drugs? It's not like he slipped a roofie in these womens drinks which is what the media is implying. They took drugs of their own free will.

Then this:

Quote:Block: ...in a few cases, the women whom you talked to who allege that they were assaulted, or thought they may have been assaulted by Bill Cosby, did go back to him, accepted another invitation from him and claimed that they were assaulted again.

MALONE: ...you know, he was a famous celebrity paying attention to them. I think that was a powerful thing. He - many of these women say he, you know, he groomed them. He psychologically manipulated them.

WTF?! They claim they were raped, but they didn't report it to the police. Not only that but they were white women and he was a black man during the 1960's. Segregation didn't end until 1964. There's no way the police wouldn't have believed them. Then some of these women go back for seconds a couple of days later?! Why are we still taking these harpies seriously?