Post: #1

Every now and again, as I think about game, I go through scenarios and potential options. I consider as many things NOT to do, as I do things to do; perhaps to eliminate bad options in my head. That's the way my mind works.

Along the way I came up with what I think is the worst possible game technique, or at least the worst I've come up with, and that is....

Your plate isn't putting out. She's stand-offish, shit-testing you when you're back at your place and doesn't want to hook up? Have no fear, the LMS destroyer is here. As a way to defeat Last Minute Resistance (LMR), tell her to "fork it over"! Repeat yourself with variations, "C'mon, fork it over" or "Knock it off. Fork it over.". Increase the volume on each request. Possibly move to an impatient, menacing tone if she....well, doesn't fork it over.

Post: #2

Here's the thing. There's a fine line between LMR and rape in modern day society. Bad advice would be, if she says no, keep trying until she says yes.

Good advice : if she says no , get up and leave. She's not worth the potential rape accusation.

Post: #3

The worse game advice I've ever got was "chicks dig assholes."

Yeah right.

Maybe some dig some assholes, but never the type of asshole I was.

Post: #4

There's a misconception...

Game is about understanding yourself as much as the situations around you. Understanding yourself means knowing what you're capable of. Understanding the situation means knowing how far you have come in that particular case. Let's stretch that further.

Inner game can be the culprit more than you think. This means that you "think" you fucked up bit that was far from the girl's perspective.

Another words one guy's LMR destroyer is another guy's fuckup. This is tied into the tightness of his game so far; If he did well and read the signals right, he'll also have some game in the "bank" to use up before giving up in an LMR situation for example. Also tied into the magnitude of his belief and confidence in how much he truly fucked up.

My point is that understanding basic game concepts (like LMR) is fine but its application to your own game is another story altogether.

Post: #5

You don't need to look very far to find terrible game advice.

Post: #6

The worst advice I ever got-in fact, that we all got at some point during our early years was to 'just be yourself.'
No.
Be the best that you can possibly be.

Post: #7

Just ask a woman. I guarantee you that 99% of the things that come out of her mouth will be wrong.

If I ever hear a man ask a woman "how do I get a girlfriend?" and hear her respond "well your bodyfat percentage is 5% higher than optimum and your deltoids are too small, you're not cocky enough and you have nothing interesting to say, so fix all that and start doing 3 approaches per day" I'll probably faint.

Post: #8

(07-05-2015 08:27 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Just ask a woman. I guarantee you that 99% of the things that come out of her mouth will be wrong.

The thing that intrigues me, do women actually know this is bad advice and are trying to spare your "feelings", or do they truly believe this advice will work on other women but know it will not work on them?

Post: #9

Bad advice I actually followed.

Just give her eye contact.
It is about money. No money no honey.
Looks dont matter.
All women are the same.

Post: #10

(07-05-2015 08:57 AM)The_Wonder Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 08:27 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Just ask a woman. I guarantee you that 99% of the things that come out of her mouth will be wrong.

The thing that intrigues me, do women actually know this is bad advice and are trying to spare your "feelings", or do they truly believe this advice will work on other women but know it will not work on them?

Dude women live in la la land, they believe in prince charming who can come up to them and somehow just say the right things, would be able to fuck them well without making them feel like a slut but never think about how its done. Things just happen

Post: #11

(07-05-2015 08:57 AM)The_Wonder Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 08:27 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Just ask a woman. I guarantee you that 99% of the things that come out of her mouth will be wrong.

The thing that intrigues me, do women actually know this is bad advice and are trying to spare your "feelings", or do they truly believe this advice will work on other women but know it will not work on them?

I think it's part hamstering and part sparing of feelings. Women don't normally give confronting criticism like a man does, since they're more about emotion than fact; but also they don't want to say "I like a rich muscular guy with a fat cock" since for women that is considered antisocial (they might lose orbiters etc).

Post: #12

The worst advice is Looks Don't Matter. The reality is that it's the most important thing for hooking up with a girl.

Post: #13

(07-06-2015 02:05 AM)civpro Wrote:  The worst advice is Looks Don't Matter. The reality is that it's the most important thing for hooking up with a girl.

Perhaps it's not the 'most' important thing.

But I agree with your general sentiment.

Everybody should invest significant time, effort and money into the gym/style/hair etc in order to maximise their appearance.

I mean facially at the end of the day all you have are the cards that you are dealt. There will be many men with better hands than you and many with worse. Just do what you can to make sure your firing on all cylinders and are optimising your look as a whole.

Post: #14

1. Just be yourself
2. Money or time, you always pay
3. X girls are different/special b/w all girls are like this
4. Looks, height, race, define. No use in even trying
5. Any advice you get from a woman
6. The only way is this way

A lot of guys don't interrogate their own ideas, they don't experiment. Everything above is true and false at the same time, but the typical guy in the game can't handle ambiguity. He can't handle the idea that opposing things can both be true.

It's even worse when he's successful. Then you can't even have a conversation with a fanatic.

But most of all

All you see is all there is.

WIA

Post: #15

I can wholeheartedly recommend a science-based book by Meston & Buss Why women have sex. Buss is a world-leading psychologist involved in explanation of why & how of human mating (and its strategies). Many theories and conjectures in this book are a synoptic summary of his research described in Evolution of desire as well as research conducted by others scientists within the field of Evolutionary Psychology and other areas. It is an illuminating lecture (read it twice) with solid bibliography. Roosh, I believe, recommended it some time ago as well.

Post: #16

(07-06-2015 08:40 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 02:05 AM)civpro Wrote:  The worst advice is Looks Don't Matter. The reality is that it's the most important thing for hooking up with a girl.

Perhaps it's not the 'most' important thing.

But I agree with your general sentiment.

Everybody should invest significant time, effort and money into the gym/style/hair etc in order to maximise their appearance.

I mean facially at the end of the day all you have are the cards that you are dealt. There will be many men with better hands than you and many with worse. Just do what you can to make sure your firing on all cylinders and are optimising your look as a whole.

I appreciate your appreciation of my post but I really think you and other guys need to go all the way - it really IS the 'most' important thing. Having been in this game for as long as I have and having met dozens of guys inside and outside of the community of various stripes doing their thing, and living through the Tinderization of dating, which is carrying out an insidious program of effectively annihilating the novelty of the confident random approach, I can safely say that beyond a very basic minimum threshold requirement of social skills and game (not autistic, not shy, normal socialization and can hold a conversation), Looks is bar none the most powerful explanatory variable in respect of an aspiring PUA's results.

I've seen too many guys go at this for years on end and have shit all to show for it because they are unwilling to address the matter of their appearance. It is a seemingly sensible idea to spruce yourself up and then let the chips fall where they may, but is it really so when you don't even end up with ANYTHING for all of your enlightened hustle?

I disagree with the common refrain of "lift and get a haircut". There is only so much that that can do and only so far that you can go with it (building muscle naturally is extremely slow and limited, and there is a massive genetic component), and it is secondary to the aspects that really matter, which happen to be so very fixed - face, height, frame, race, age, etc.

The take-home that I'm trying to make in all of this, and it's a really sad one that a lot of guys may not be willing to hear, is that there is a subset of guys who are too ugly to get anything from cold approach pick up and should not bother with it. Rather embarking on long, multi-year pick up journeys that ultimately yield very little, such types would probably be better off learning to accept reality, tempering their expectations, and devoting their precious time towards more surefire endeavours suited to their highly depressed capabilities such as 1) running social circle / beta orbiter game, 2) arranged marriage, 3) cycling anabolics to run 'buthisface' game, 4) cosmetic surgery, 5) expatriation, i.e. move to Thailand and run "Be White and Have a Pulse" game, and 6) one unmentionable that has three only characters, the second of which is '4'. If we are to accept harsh truths like the 80/20 rule of sexual monopoly, as part of a wave of negative sociosexual developments, then we should accept its converse implication, like say, a bottom 20% rule of sexual poverty.

Post: #17

And as an addition to this thread, another piece of bad advice is All Women Are The Same, or All Women Require The Same Game.

All women are not the same. They vary widely in personality and temperament. Men are very different, so why shouldn't women be too? There are strippers and then there are librarians. While certain attraction switches are more universal in appeal than others, the idea of 'types' of girls, and differing corresponding emotional languages, is very real. Negs and direct openers may work wonders on some girls, but they can be a very quick way to lose others. Your job in this is to accurately ascertain the type of girl you're dealing with and run the appropriate game on her.

Post: #18

(07-06-2015 02:05 AM)civpro Wrote:  The worst advice is Looks Don't Matter. The reality is that it's the most important thing for hooking up with a girl.

Looks give you more margin for error, but they don't do the work for you. Before I got into game I relied solely on my looks and had some success, but just as many times I witnessed guys with average or below average looks make connections with ladies whom I got nothing from.

Looks will get you more opportunities and buy you more time with ladies, but work is still required. Since I got into game (especially inner game, the most important aspect) about 7 years ago I have drastically improved and achieved things that I never would have if I was still relying on looks alone.

Post: #19

Bad advice churned out by Hollywood.
Persistence will one day win her over.
Marry for love.
Riding off into the sunset to live happily ever after.
The idea of soulmates.
Sex just happens.

Post: #20

Bad location-related advice:

1) Everywhere outside the Western world is dangerous. Everywhere inside it is safe.

2) All Eastern European / Latin American / Southeast Asian women are desperate scammers, while Western women never are, since they are "liberated" (Alpha fucks Beta bucks anyone?)

3) You'll be a God abroad, even with no Game (which I'd argue includes mindset, appearance, money, and status). Just 'move to Thailand and run "Be White and Have a Pulse" game.' Never mind that these are the guys on mail-order bride documentaries who generally get scammed or end up marrying "bar girls."

4) Only move abroad if you're a Game-God in the West. Yes, working on your Game in the harsh environment that is the West will likely improve it faster. But saying you MUST be a Game-God in the West before moving abroad is like saying you MUST be able to catch fat whales (Western girls, lol) to catch slim dolphins (the girls abroad, hehe).

5) Every single girl abroad is better than every Western girl. This extreme is not true, so be careful. It's just that the probability of finding a better girl abroad is higher than it is in the West.

6) In location, the only thing that matters is abroad versus West. This extreme is also not true. Within each group, there are variations: New York is generally known to be better than Toronto, Poznan is generally known to be better than Warsaw, etc.

Post: #21

(07-07-2015 01:22 AM)civpro Wrote:  And as an addition to this thread, another piece of bad advice is All Women Are The Same, or All Women Require The Same Game.

All women are not the same. They vary widely in personality and temperament. Men are very different, so why shouldn't women be too? There are strippers and then there are librarians. While certain attraction switches are more universal in appeal than others, the idea of 'types' of girls, and differing corresponding emotional languages, is very real. Negs and direct openers may work wonders on some girls, but they can be a very quick way to lose others. Your job in this is to accurately ascertain the type of girl you're dealing with and run the appropriate game on her.

True to some degree, but in my experience, the vast majority of women fall for precisely the same game.

I usually have two or more first dates a week with women I either approached or met online. Every time, I run Tuth's First Date Bang recipe with very satisfying results.

I say the same things, tell the same stories, push the same buttons.

The only thing I change is the speed that I work at depending how quickly I see green lights.

This works so well on so many "different" girls, that I actually feel guilty about it.

The truth is that many girls from many different backgrounds will sleep with you if you have your logistics down and you elicit vaginal tingles. The male features and behavior that elicit those tingles is pretty much the same for all women.

I'm moving more and more closer to believing that the only difference between different women is the level of emotional scarring they've received from repeated pumps and dumps.

(07-07-2015 05:01 AM)262 Wrote:  Bad location-related advice:

3) You'll be a God abroad, even with no Game (which I'd argue includes mindset, appearance, money, and status). Just 'move to Thailand and run "Be White and Have a Pulse" game.' Never mind that these are the guys on mail-order bride documentaries who generally get scammed or end up marrying "bar girls."

This is spot-on. I've heard this a lot, but it patently isn't true. Even where just being white (or foreign) gets you pussy, it isn't going to be high quality pussy.

It's true the being different/foreign/white might lower the game threshold required to get the bang, but you are still going to need some level of game to get the bang.

I recently wrote here about all the extra trouble I go through to secure bangs here in Beijing.

Even so, I frequently am told by guys about how easy it is to get girls locally. My response is always a simple question: "What's your ratio?"

None of these guys making these claims can tell me what their approach:bang ratio is.

In the post linked above, I told part of a story about how a white guy got totally shut down by a girl sitting with her friends, starring at her phone. She wouldn't even looking at him, just waved him away. I approached a little later, because he insisted I give it a shot.

I got a ten minute conversation and then ejected with the number. I'm having drinks with her tonight.

Later, in the elevator on the way up to a club (Migas), a fellow elevator travel commentated on how differently this other white guy and I were dressed. I was suited up. he was in t-shirt and shorts.

The dude's response: "I don't need to dress better, I'm good looking!"

He did and he wasn't.


Being abroad might afford you some immediate higher value, just based on your foreign-ness, but it's still going to take some level of game, especially if you are looking for quality pussy.


That's why we have threads written by guys who go to the Philippines and complain that it's too hard to get laid.

Post: #22

Quote:This works so well on so many "different" girls, that I actually feel guilty about it.

Well, you'd need to establish that there is causal relation not just a correlation. You might be filtering (unconsciously?) for girls who share who are quite similar and/or the girls who are attracted to you are quite similar.

Post: #23

Woman tend to give bad advice about life in general. Everytime I have listened to a woman I have regretted it.

Post: #24

(07-08-2015 08:26 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Woman tend to give bad advice about life in general. Everytime I have listened to a woman I have regretted it.

1000% true.

Post: #25

(07-08-2015 08:26 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Woman tend to give bad advice about life in general. Everytime I have listened to a woman I have regretted it.

1000% true in my case as well. There are some great women in my life, but advising me strategically or on key decisions is not something on which they add value.