(06-30-2015 08:49 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Alright so I am using bluestacks and fake gps. Someone on reddit said I needed to leave it on to maintain the spoofed location. But as I understand it, I am limited in how many likes I can swipe a day right? But if you go tinderplus you get unlimited plus location changes, right?

Just seems tinder is better than Badoo and Mamba.

I am wondering if I just pay the money and save the headaches and then I can use my phone.

Edit: Weird - looks like though the fake gps was done on bluestacks it looks like my phone is getting matches from the fake gps. Is that right? Others have the same experience?

Thanks for the help.

Why don't you just use a fake gps app on your mobile?

(07-01-2015 08:41 AM)Thesoloist Wrote:  So a fellow Game buddy and I are using Tinder and while matches have gone up this summer for both of us. Two things keep popping up

1. A lot of girls don't have body pics anymore (even Good looking ones) had 3 chicks with no body pics ask for a body pic radio silence. I didn't ask for nudes or anything like that and I don't care how pretty the face is. I refuse to meet a girl or continue to talk to one with no body pic (been burned before that way)

2. Your game literally has to be "airtight" now if you send one message a girl doesn't like communication stops, these girls have so many options it's like their ADHD

I don't put a lot of effort in Tinder and prefer in field but it's an easy app to get laid if you do hook a girl

1. I totally agree. But are you trying her to send you that full-body pic on a playfull manner? Perhaps that helps. I.e. "Show me how much fun you are, send me your weirdest pose-pic."

2. It does but isn't this common knowledge? Isn't this THE reason why you should push for a date ASAP? Get her digits so she can send you that picture --> Push for the date if she meets your standards.

I would like to add her body is more important than her face. Honestly, it's all about those notches.

(07-01-2015 08:51 AM)STriple-R Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 08:49 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Alright so I am using bluestacks and fake gps. Someone on reddit said I needed to leave it on to maintain the spoofed location. But as I understand it, I am limited in how many likes I can swipe a day right? But if you go tinderplus you get unlimited plus location changes, right?

Just seems tinder is better than Badoo and Mamba.

I am wondering if I just pay the money and save the headaches and then I can use my phone.

Edit: Weird - looks like though the fake gps was done on bluestacks it looks like my phone is getting matches from the fake gps. Is that right? Others have the same experience?

Thanks for the help.

Why don't you just use a fake gps app on your mobile?

On an iPhone and apparently you need a jail broken phone.

@sam - have you not heard of tools for tinder? I'm using an iPhone too and the fake location works fine. PM me if you need any help with it.

(07-01-2015 09:03 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 08:51 AM)STriple-R Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 08:49 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Alright so I am using bluestacks and fake gps. Someone on reddit said I needed to leave it on to maintain the spoofed location. But as I understand it, I am limited in how many likes I can swipe a day right? But if you go tinderplus you get unlimited plus location changes, right?

Just seems tinder is better than Badoo and Mamba.

I am wondering if I just pay the money and save the headaches and then I can use my phone.

Edit: Weird - looks like though the fake gps was done on bluestacks it looks like my phone is getting matches from the fake gps. Is that right? Others have the same experience?

Thanks for the help.

Why don't you just use a fake gps app on your mobile?

On an iPhone and apparently you need a jail broken phone.

Jailbreaking is easy as taking a dump and you might even get it done faster

As for Tools for Tinder, don't you need to pay for that?

EDIT: My iPhone 5S is running 8.3 Jailbreak smoothly and I'm using this app "Locationfaker". Works like a charm and I can exclude apps like Navigon etc from using the fake location.

(07-01-2015 05:51 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 11:00 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  What does everyone think of creating a database whereby we can critique the photos we use for Tinder?

While there may be a slight degree of location-specificity in terms of optimal pics, I've found that my returns on the quality and nature of photos I've been using have been far from satisfactory.
I've followed the advice on this thread and elsewhere throughout the forum -- especially by kaotic and BlurredSevens -- but reckon that a third-party's opinion might really go a long way.

Part of the issue may have been Tinder reaching critical mass over the past year, such that photos have may have seen you getting a reasonable number of matches back in 2013-14 are simply not cutting it.

Relative to my looks, dress and lifestyle, I really think I've yet to hit my potential on this app.

How would you recommend going about that then? You could share in the thread, but it might get cluttered. Anyway I think it's a decent idea and I wouldn't mind contributing.

A shared Google Drive, dropbox or other file sharing website was what I had in mind, we could give out the password via PM.

Well, I'll get the ball rolling with how I look (sans watermark):



That was taken 5 years ago; I haven't changed much -- apart from sharper cheekbones and jawline. As an aside, if my parents and other family members of their generation are anything to go by, I'm going to age very little facially over the next 10 years.

Honestly, I doubt my looks alone should be holding me back on Tinder (or real life, for that matter). If anything, I need to find ways to optimise my appearance in photos, I don't think I'm not inherently photogenic, but there are definitely aspects I could fix.

Not liking the haircut at all.

(07-01-2015 11:31 AM)TrentV Wrote:  Not liking the haircut at all.

I forgot to mention that it's way shorter these days.

You're not a bad looking guy but seriously, you need better quality photos than this one which looks like a drivers license pic. A better haircut, more facial definition (which you say you have now) and some professionally taken photos showing your best angles will do you more good than you can imagine.

(07-01-2015 09:38 AM)STriple-R Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 09:03 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 08:51 AM)STriple-R Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 08:49 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Alright so I am using bluestacks and fake gps. Someone on reddit said I needed to leave it on to maintain the spoofed location. But as I understand it, I am limited in how many likes I can swipe a day right? But if you go tinderplus you get unlimited plus location changes, right?

Just seems tinder is better than Badoo and Mamba.

I am wondering if I just pay the money and save the headaches and then I can use my phone.

Edit: Weird - looks like though the fake gps was done on bluestacks it looks like my phone is getting matches from the fake gps. Is that right? Others have the same experience?

Thanks for the help.

Why don't you just use a fake gps app on your mobile?

On an iPhone and apparently you need a jail broken phone.

Jailbreaking is easy as taking a dump and you might even get it done faster

As for Tools for Tinder, don't you need to pay for that?

EDIT: My iPhone 5S is running 8.3 Jailbreak smoothly and I'm using this app "Locationfaker". Works like a charm and I can exclude apps like Navigon etc from using the fake location.

There is a paid version of tools for tinder but you don't need it. The free version gives you everything you need.

(07-01-2015 09:27 AM)_Samo_ Wrote:  @sam - have you not heard of tools for tinder? I'm using an iPhone too and the fake location works fine. PM me if you need any help with it.

Apparently not

Thanks for the offer of help. I'll check into when I get a moment. Thanks!

Edit: just glanced briefly seems like that makes life easier for only 3 bucks. Thanks!

(07-01-2015 12:27 PM)_Samo_ Wrote:  cut

There is a paid version of tools for tinder but you don't need it. The free version gives you everything you need.

Ok didn't know that. Great tip for those that pull a lot from Tinder!

I'll just stick with those free tweaks and apps because my phone is running a Jailbreak anyway.

I want to crack tinder, but it's a tough cookie to crack.

I've spent the last week on online game, performing experiments on OkC with like 8 different profiles, varying looks (attractiveness in photo's), profile text and opening messages (ranging from earnest nice guy opens to negs). Looks are definitely the deciding factor in online, with my best looking fake profile + optimal profile text + optimal opener getting a response rate of 45%. The best I seem to be able to get, with current photo's + optimal profile text + bet opener is a response rate between 25-30%. (I field tested in American cities, too bad I live in Europe).

Having learned all I could from OkC, I decided to move to tinder, and bought a subscription for unlimited likes.

But it's not working out as I'd like to.

1. I've run the botinder/flamite chrome extension to spam likes. I use the FakeGPS app to change my location from Australia, to Germany, to L.A. In total today I've probably run through 5,000 likes: 15 matches (4's, 5's, 6's and the odd 7). That's a horrid response rate.

- Maybe Fake GPS isn't working as it should, and because of it you can miss match potentials.
- Maybe I should have waited longer in just one city.
- Maybe tinder has found a way to notice the flamite extension and in some way nullify it so it doesn't count.
- Maybe tinder is punishing me in some way in their algorithm for spam liking.
- I've noticed the app "freezes" if you manually hit the like button too much.
- I've tried flamite's "dislike randomly" option, in the hope that it might circumvent the "freezing" function by emulating a picky person.
- Maybe my photo's just don't cut it.

2. Basically I want to run some (semi) controlled experiments in tinder for the first few days so I can amass matches and actually get some quantifiable data.

- I want to find out the best opener.
- I want to find the optimal route towards closing the date with minimum investment.
- I want to find out which combination of photo's demonstrably increase or decrease your match percentage.
- I want to find out if profile text matters at all (I suspect it's like 10% at the most).

But even after paying the fee and running spam likes, it's impossible to get enough matches to run any decent numbers game and learn from experience.

I think I'll probably just delete my profile and run it again with pictures of the best looking dude I could find on OkC and see if he gets any significant better matches. (Dude is not necessarily good looking, but just has very good story telling photo's a la Blurred Sevens recommendation).

3. My hypothesis are:

- You need to belong to the top 20% of dudes looks wise to notice a significant increase in matches. Even IF you have pro photo's, if genealogically you're not an 8 or higher, hot girls can notice it and will not swipe you.
- If you're hot enough, you don't need text game and they will just comply as long as you're not a major weirdo.
- Polarization should net better results than playing likeable-by-everyone jack-of-all-trades (I've noticed polarization working well for OkC as well).
- If you're just kind of good looking, but not top 20%, all it means is that she'll give you a match but she'll still give you a hard time text game wise.

I suppose the most interesting thing to find out is whether or not you can belong to the top 20% of dudes looks wise simply by having the right photo's or not. Gonna try to research that in the coming days/weeks.

Also probably try out a fake profile to see what is maximally achievable if you're actually really good looking.

^^^^^

Gone all scientific on this one. fair play to you.

Due to the nature of sexual dynamics between men and women, tinder of course, is going to be terrible for men, and great for women. I have tried it on and off for around 6 months, I get alot of matches from women around my age and about 6 or 7 years younger and few matches from younger ones. A number of them open me with hi, or hey, how are you etc, the same boring openers that would get ignored by them. But things never progress, most of the time conversation is like pulling teeth. I will have girls match me, open me, talk to me, then radio silence. If I talk to them, battle through their lame boring jibber and put all on the line for them, with them always holding the upper hand, always having the power, ie me entertaining them, keeping the conversation flowing etc, I can and have met a few. But this is exhausting. I think I will go of it for good soon. If you have the patience, perhaps; but It just does my head in giving a bunch of average/somewhat above average women a place where they can tap there phone a few times and have a constant source of ego boost and entertainment at the expense of men.

I'm never on tinder to entertain anyone, fuck that. Its good to have witty openers and something that hooks, but the goal is to get them off the app asap. I'm a bit bored of it. I've only had one date from it (very recent) which wasn't too bad. I wouldn't make it a main source to pull women from though. With these apps you really have to be the best maximized version of yourself to do really well.

Seems allot of guys are struggling to get anything from tinder lately, for me its actually been really good in the last month or so. I have changed up a few things and its increased the number of matches and numbers I have been able to get. I don't know if it will be of any use to any guys here because I imagine most of what I say would've already been mentioned but here goes:

Photos:

Its been done to death but photos really are 90% of tinder I'd say. I don't take lots of pictures of myself but I'd been using two photos in which I thought I looked pretty good in, they obviously weren't working though. I was getting 4-5 matches a week and I was swiping every day until I reached the limit, give or take the odd day here and there when I didn't have the time. I usually just spent about 20 minutes on tinder a day too to swipe, then log out for 24 hours, then the same again the next day.

Anyway I decided to take some new photos of me and chose the the best two I did after taking 10-20, these are just selfies taken by me in some park. Nothing special. But I decided to edit the lighting and a few things on my photo's using an app on my iphone, they looked much better after that so I changed my photos on tinder, I only have 2 photos there.

Bio:

Now many people think your description doesn't matter, I'm still not sure if mine is making that much of a difference or it was just the photos. I changed them both up at the same time so I haven't experimented with that. In my bio I've wrote something you'd expect to read from a very entitled girl on the app, its something along the lines of the ''no hook ups'' you often see but I've elaborated on it a bit. But for whatever reason it seems to be working. Girls literally never send me the first message but since I changed my bio I have had a few first messages (not many but definite increase) commenting about my bio. Things like ''I've never seen something like that on here before'' ''It's really nice to find a guy like you on here, I am surprised'' and you get the idea.

Some may say this could lose you some potential very DTF girls which may be true if we are talking about major sluts who are open about it but where I am using tinder those girls are very rare. I think all girls are on tinder looking to fuck, they just don't want every guy to know that, many times in the last month I've had girls say from the start they are looking for a relationship, they don't just want sex, they want to know me better and so on. Then after a few days of texting on whatsapp she's sending me naked pics and pushing to meet for sex.

I don't want to post what's actually in my bio on this public thread but if anyone is really interested you can pm me, I know how many lurkers are around and things get ruined pretty quickly when they're posted publicly. E.g. you look like trouble opener, which used to be gold.

Filtering:

This probably wont matter to allot of guys but for me personally I am a young guy (20 years old) so I set my filters to girls within 50km and from 18-30. I realised after many months on the app that I literally never matched with any girls over the age of 24. I had matched with girls over that age maybe 2-3 times over the course of many months. So I've changed that to 18-24. Bare in mind I'm usually using my maximum amount of likes daily, I could be missing potential matches with liking all these older chicks who likely aren't going to match with me.

Messaging:

I use the same opener for every girl, I basically just copy and paste for 4-5 messages before asking for her number. Girls almost always respond in the same way to each of my messages so its as simple as following a script. Of course If I get an out of the ordinary response I can tweak my message slightly. The only thing I change with each girl is I put her name after 1-2 messages so she doesn't suspect I'm copying and pasting and it feels more personal to her.

I always find I get a better chance of a date/bang if they have whatsapp or something similar. Many times I've got a girls number and text her and she responds once then I never hear from her again, with whatsapp this almost never happens.

Of course the downside of my copy/past style messages is when I've been in smaller cities a few times I have been getting on well with a girl and she seems very interested then I end up matching with one of her friends and writing her the same thing, they tell each other about me and I lose both. But in larger cities this has never happened to me.

If a girl doesn't respond to my 1st message I will send 2 more messages (different ones each time) over the space of 1-2 weeks and I will unmatch if they don't respond after the 3rd one. A few times girls have replied after the 2nd/3rd message saying they're sorry they didn't see it and so on. So it's worth it considering it takes a second to paste a message. It's important to unmatch so you don't end up with many dead leads and its easier to navigate through the app if you have less matches. I also usually unmatch them a few days after I get their number and say I've deleted the app if they ask.

Conclusion:

To conclude since changing my photos and my bio, aswell as my messaging system my matches have increased by over 50%. I often spoof my location to other cities as I travel around allot so maybe that's also a factor to consider.
I've gone from getting 4-5 a week to getting 10+ a day. I had over 100 matches in the last 10 days or so of which I've managed to get around 20 numbers, I don't think that's a bad return considering the nature of the app and its not all that time consuming for me personally.

(07-01-2015 11:55 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  You're not a bad looking guy but seriously, you need better quality photos than this one which looks like a drivers license pic. A better haircut, more facial definition (which you say you have now) and some professionally taken photos showing your best angles will do you more good than you can imagine.

Passport, actually. I ought to clarify further: That certainly isn't, and has never been one of my Tinder photos. I wanted to demonstrate a fairly neutral but accurate likeness of myself.
For pretty obvious reasons, I'm not yet comfortable with putting up my actual Tinder photos; hence my idea of privately sharing them.

I'm actually using 2 professional shots on my profile right now. Somehow, they aren't delivering the sort of returns I'd have hoped for. Therein lies the question of what, if anything, could possibly be off.

(07-02-2015 05:12 AM)kazz Wrote:  Due to the nature of sexual dynamics between men and women, tinder of course, is going to be terrible for men, and great for women. I have tried it on and off for around 6 months, I get alot of matches from women around my age and about 6 or 7 years younger and few matches from younger ones. A number of them open me with hi, or hey, how are you etc, the same boring openers that would get ignored by them. But things never progress, most of the time conversation is like pulling teeth. I will have girls match me, open me, talk to me, then radio silence. If I talk to them, battle through their lame boring jibber and put all on the line for them, with them always holding the upper hand, always having the power, ie me entertaining them, keeping the conversation flowing etc, I can and have met a few. But this is exhausting. I think I will go of it for good soon. If you have the patience, perhaps; but It just does my head in giving a bunch of average/somewhat above average women a place where they can tap there phone a few times and have a constant source of ego boost and entertainment at the expense of men.

I have to disagree. I've made a new account last sunday and I'm getting dates and thus matches from Tinder. Had one 2 days ago, got one tonight and a 'private pool party at her place' next saturday. All different girls and set the date with hardly any effort.

All I do is try and set the tone by saying things they would propably not hear from other matches. Neg them a bit and give a small compliment. I think the ratio between those is about 2-3 : 1. I actually don't keep track. Keep that little 'mystery' vibe around myself and make them wonder why I'm not trying to say shit that I think would please their little (actually huge) ego. Making that hamster spin. They will start investing in me out of curiosity and that's when I strike for the phone number, so we can "discover more about eachother while hanging out.".

Honestly, everything I'm telling right now is basic stuff I learned here, browsing this forum.

(07-02-2015 07:10 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  I'm never on tinder to entertain anyone, fuck that. Its good to have witty openers and something that hooks, but the goal is to get them off the app asap. I'm a bit bored of it. I've only had one date from it (very recent) which wasn't too bad. I wouldn't make it a main source to pull women from though. With these apps you really have to be the best maximized version of yourself to do really well.

Don't we always strive for 'our best self'?

(07-02-2015 05:12 AM)kazz Wrote:  I will have girls match me, open me, talk to me, then radio silence. If I talk to them, battle through their lame boring jibber and put all on the line for them, with them always holding the upper hand, always having the power, ie me entertaining them, keeping the conversation flowing etc, I can and have met a few. But this is exhausting. I think I will go of it for good soon. If you have the patience, perhaps; but It just does my head in giving a bunch of average/somewhat above average women a place where they can tap there phone a few times and have a constant source of ego boost and entertainment at the expense of men.

Welcome to the real world, kazz. All of it boils down to sperm and eggs, doesn't it? Sperm is aplenty, thus cheap. Eggs few, thus pricey. Par it up with male testosterone level on average 11 times higher than female, and you've got it the way it's always been. Statistical outliers do exist (by virtue of desirable attributes singalling reproductive fitness) but for most of us - it's work day and night. You can always opt out and join a monastery.

(07-02-2015 09:10 AM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Messaging:

I use the same opener for every girl, I basically just copy and paste for 4-5 messages before asking for her number. Girls almost always respond in the same way to each of my messages so its as simple as following a script. Of course If I get an out of the ordinary response I can tweak my message slightly. The only thing I change with each girl is I put her name after 1-2 messages so she doesn't suspect I'm copying and pasting and it feels more personal to her.

I always find I get a better chance of a date/bang if they have whatsapp or something similar. Many times I've got a girls number and text her and she responds once then I never hear from her again, with whatsapp this almost never happens.

Of course the downside of my copy/past style messages is when I've been in smaller cities a few times I have been getting on well with a girl and she seems very interested then I end up matching with one of her friends and writing her the same thing, they tell each other about me and I lose both. But in larger cities this has never happened to me.

If a girl doesn't respond to my 1st message I will send 2 more messages (different ones each time) over the space of 1-2 weeks and I will unmatch if they don't respond after the 3rd one. A few times girls have replied after the 2nd/3rd message saying they're sorry they didn't see it and so on. So it's worth it considering it takes a second to paste a message. It's important to unmatch so you don't end up with many dead leads and its easier to navigate through the app if you have less matches. I also usually unmatch them a few days after I get their number and say I've deleted the app if they ask.

I like your style. Developing a functional script has always been one of my goals for tinder, but I can't seem to think ahead further than 1-2 messages...

***

Anyway in my current stack, I'm using these photo's:



The guy is not physically amazing looking: average height, average face, weak chin, et cetera. But his pictures are amazing storytelling devices. The first being a bad-ass look-away-from-the-camera pic. His second being a dynamic storytelling pic. Third being a decadent hipster selfie. Fourth an ambiguous storytelling pic. Last another hipster pic. The all round story is: bad boy hipster artist.

This build gets some hot matches every now and then, but no true amazing results. Flamite probably liked like 6000 Australians, got 15 matches, of which 5 were decently hot chicks.

So then I started running some textgame.



In a way, it is a relief to see that, even a dude with 7.5 looks, but very good pictures, still gets the same shit other people do. It's still testy picky faux-high status chicks who just test you from the start and don't seem easy to crack.

(Though maybe my textgame tract puts us in a combative frame too quickly as well).

Conclusion Of This Experiment:
- Even with optimal, BlurredSevens level pics, you will still get shit. You'll get better matches (10+ is perfectly possible), but these will still not be easy pickings.
- I'll still need to find a better textgame script with better responses.

Honestly, that conversation makes me feel weird.

A lot of this thread is just boiling down to guys whining about online dating. If it's your only source of acquiring numbers and getting dates, I can almost guarantee that you'll be "dating down" more often than not. There are 2x as many guys on Tinder than girls, and this is SIGNIFICANTLY better than any other type of dating app/website that has come before.

Women on Tinder flat out just have more options than you do. An average looking girl is going to get a match on every other guy they swipe right on. I've spoken to girls that weren't even aware of the Tinder plus swipe right limit. They simply just would go on Tinder every day, swipe left on 30 guys, swipe right on 10 and then end up with 8 matches. No need to play for longer.

I'm not saying you can't meet a quality girl on Tinder. It's definitely possible. I met a very cute FWB college girl that has LTR potential when she returns here in the fall. But I caught her at a rare moment - post breakup from a two year relationship. She hadn't been on Tinder long and claims I was the first guy she had ever given her number out to on it. But situations like these just boil down to luck a lot of the time, she could have easily chosen to grab drinks with 10 other guys instead.

So moral of the story is keep swiping while you're taking a shit at work, but don't invest too much of your emotional energy into Tinder and other dating apps. They are what they are and even with professionally done pictures you're not on an even playing field with the women of Tinder.

(07-02-2015 09:29 AM)ksbms Wrote:  I will have girls match me, open me, talk to me, then radio silence. If I talk to them, battle through their lame boring jibber and put all on the line for them, with them always holding the upper hand, always having the power, ie me entertaining them, keeping the conversation flowing etc, I can and have met a few. But this is exhausting. I think I will go of it for good soon. If you have the patience, perhaps; but It just does my head in giving a bunch of average/somewhat above average women a place where they can tap there phone a few times and have a constant source of ego boost and entertainment at the expense of men.

Don't match with girls that your dick won't push you to give your best game. This will eliminate much of the frustration.

Then when you give it your all and get rejected you will often times learn something about gaming girls you really want along the way. Getting rejected by a girl you think is mediocre will never help your game.

If you aren't getting the matches you want your time is better spent working out, socializing, and buying better clothes, and getting better pictures.

Raising your standards is like getting rid of the safety net.

If I could tell myself one thing if I could go back to my beginning gaming days it would be:

1) Approach hot girls as frequently as you can

2) Have a solid fuck buddy (Bottom Bitch) that is easily kept in check and really likes you, she most likely isn't quite hot enough to be GF material, that's good because it keeps your emotions in check with her, keeps her gamed well (you don't give two shits and game her like a champ), while helping you keep your standards high with all your new prospects

3) For all new prospects keep your standards as high as you can for yourself

These push you to increase your game, not get complacent, while avoiding the frustration of dry spells.

No offense to guys conducting these experiments; they're helpful, really, but what's the point? In the end you're not banging them anyway so it's just a major time waster. Might as well use your own pics and experiment with your own profile instead of creating a fake one.