Post: #26

(06-14-2015 07:53 PM)mouzone Wrote:  As a non-anglophone i appreciate the constructive criticism.

Us foreigners use a lot of english "text speak" mixed in our own language, the american influence is unstoppable and our own language is degenerating as well, which bothers me too. I'm glad there are fora like these who care about proper grammar, it will only help me with my english. I don't understand why anyone would have an issue with that.

Wetin be your mother tongue?

Post: #27

Bonus tip for official written communications: never use smileys either.

Post: #28

(06-15-2015 01:08 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Bonus tip for official written communications: never use smileys either.

I remember being weirded out by men using smilies when they first became commonplace a decade ago. For a while, I saw it as normal. Now, I'm back to being weirded out by grown men using smilies.

Post: #29

As someone who isn't a native English speaker it always blows my mind when people slip into heavy lol jk bae wht u doin tdy??? textspeak. I mean it seems to be actively harder to type out and shorten out all that stuff instead of writing normally. The only thing I do catch myself often doing is "swallowing" words when I'm typing fast. Like in my mind I'll pronounce a sentence and it'll be right but while I'm typing it out I'll simply skip a verb or a "the" or something. Carelessnes and apathy are the mindkiller.

Post: #30

I have sometimes trouble when native speakers communicate with me in textspeak. Sometimes the whole meaning of the sentence is lost to me.

Post: #31

Good post.

I honed my written language skills in my early blue pill days when I thought endless hours of c̶h̶a̶t̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶u̶p̶ entertaining girls on MSN with impeccable syntax would get me closer to touching a boob.

Post: #32

I can forgive bad grammar on forums.

What blows my mind is that I get professional emails like this all the time.

So, heed Tuth's words people.

I have to turn down business because I literally (and I mean that in the dictionary sense, not the hyper-tumblr girl sense) cannot understand what some would-be clients have emailed to me. Often, they've let an employee write me an email enquiring about my services and not checked it themselves, but the damage is done.

Don't be that business. Don't be that employee. Don't be that person.

Post: #33

Since Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM, I'd like to ask if some of you could help me with the following. I've received a warning for 'textspeak' but I truly can't discover what I'm supposed to do different.

/thread-48244.html

Can anyone please tell me? I want to follow the rules but I can't when I don't know what rules I'm breaking..

EDIT: Guess I found it. Should not be using @ to replace 'at'.

Post: #34

(06-15-2015 09:01 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  Since Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM, I'd like to ask if some of you could help me with the following. I've received a warning for 'textspeak' but I truly can't discover what I'm supposed to do different.

/thread-48244.html

Can anyone please tell me? I want to follow the rules but I can't when I don't know what rules I'm breaking..

EDIT: Guess I found it. Should not be using @ to replace 'at'.

You used the "at" symbol three times in your post. The "at" symbol (@) is not a word, and it shouldn't be used in normal prose unless the situation calls for it.

One other word of advice for you. You're skirting into dangerous territory with your post here (above) when you publicly complain that "Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM."

That sort of thing is not done here.

.

Post: #35

This is the only forum of which I'm a member and I've always taken it for granted that members use proper grammar.

Sadly, articles like this one now exist that teach college students how to write a real email void of textspeak.

Quote:1. Use a clear subject line. The subject “Rhetorical Analysis Essay” would work a bit better than “heeeeelp!” (and much better than the unforgivable blank subject line).

2. Use a salutation and signature. Instead of jumping right into your message or saying “hey,” begin with a greeting like “Hello” or “Good afternoon,” and then address your professor by appropriate title and last name, such as “Prof. Xavier” or “Dr. Octavius.” (Though this can be tricky, depending on your teacher’s gender, rank and level of education, “Professor” is usually a safe bet for addressing a college teacher.) Similarly, instead of concluding with “Sent from my iPhone” or nothing at all, include a signature, such as “Best” or “Sincerely,” followed by your name.

3. Use standard punctuation, capitalization, spelling and grammar. Instead of writing “idk what 2 rite about in my paper can you help??” try something more like, “I am writing to ask about the topics you suggested in class yesterday.”

Corresponding with smart people has improved my ability to write concise emails, and reading a used copy of HBR Guide to Better Business Writing helped with some finer points of communication.

Hank Moody shares this forum's stance on textspeak:

Post: #36

(06-15-2015 09:43 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:01 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  Since Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM, I'd like to ask if some of you could help me with the following. I've received a warning for 'textspeak' but I truly can't discover what I'm supposed to do different.

/thread-48244.html

Can anyone please tell me? I want to follow the rules but I can't when I don't know what rules I'm breaking..

EDIT: Guess I found it. Should not be using @ to replace 'at'.

You used the "at" symbol three times in your post. The "at" symbol (@) is not a word, and it shouldn't be used in normal prose unless the situation calls for it.

One other word of advice for you. You're skirting into dangerous territory with your post here (above) when you publicly complain that "Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM."

That sort of thing is not done here.

.

Thank you for the heads up. I'm not doint it to talk sh*t about him or anything. I can image he's got something better too do then reply every lame PM about a warning. That is all.

So if I offended or wronged anyone with this, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention,

Post: #37

(06-15-2015 10:03 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:43 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:01 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  Since Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM, I'd like to ask if some of you could help me with the following. I've received a warning for 'textspeak' but I truly can't discover what I'm supposed to do different.

/thread-48244.html

Can anyone please tell me? I want to follow the rules but I can't when I don't know what rules I'm breaking..

EDIT: Guess I found it. Should not be using @ to replace 'at'.

You used the "at" symbol three times in your post. The "at" symbol (@) is not a word, and it shouldn't be used in normal prose unless the situation calls for it.

One other word of advice for you. You're skirting into dangerous territory with your post here (above) when you publicly complain that "Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM."

That sort of thing is not done here.

.

Thank you for the heads up. I'm not doint it to talk sh*t about him or anything. I can image he's got something better too do then reply every lame PM about a warning. That is all.

So if I offended or wronged anyone with this, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention,

If you're serious about being a valuable contributing member of this forum, take a look at the bolded portions of your post, as quoted above.

Your intentions may be good, but your on-going punctuation and spelling errors send a different message.

Also, writing shit as "sh*t" has been frowned up here as well. Either use the word or don't. I don't like it personally, so I don't use it. I do throw out a "fuck" once a while when it's appropriate to what I am attempting to communicating.

It would be wise to patch things up with Tuth. He works hard to keep this forum from descending into chaos and we all benefit from his commitment. It's best if you communicate in whatever way comes naturally to you, that you appreciate his hard work and there are no hard feelings about the warning you received.

Since it's hard to communicate tone when writing on the Internet, it's usually best to go above and beyond to not write anything that might come across as sarcastic or catty. Unfortunately, we've had a few members here who were very pleasant guys in person, but their in-person personality didn't translate well when it came to the Internet. Don't be that guy. Just go above and beyond to demonstrate goodwill whenever possible.

Otherwise, I'm sure we are all looking forward to your positive contributions to the RVF. Best of luck.

Post: #38

(06-14-2015 11:56 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 08:24 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 06:47 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  The problem isn't English being a second-language for guys. Guys get tremendous leeway on that front; not everyone has the same language background or writing skills. You're only expected to write considerately, not like Ernest Hemingway.

It'd be amazing if the mods did raise literacy standards to Ernest Hemingway levels. We'd all splinter off into various subgroups dedicated to writers like Thomas Wolfe and Twain. Then there'd be the black sheep posters who'd stir up shit by posting in the styles of Joyce or Faulkner, and hardcore oddballs whose every post would be meta in homage to books like Flowers for Algernon.

Best post eva! (Sorry Tuth).

Best post ever. This might be the most amusing thing I've every read at the RVF.

(Couldn't handle the shame of using textspeak in this thread of all places).

Post: #39

(06-15-2015 10:03 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:43 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:01 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  Since Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM, I'd like to ask if some of you could help me with the following. I've received a warning for 'textspeak' but I truly can't discover what I'm supposed to do different.

/thread-48244.html

Can anyone please tell me? I want to follow the rules but I can't when I don't know what rules I'm breaking..

EDIT: Guess I found it. Should not be using @ to replace 'at'.

You used the "at" symbol three times in your post. The "at" symbol (@) is not a word, and it shouldn't be used in normal prose unless the situation calls for it.

One other word of advice for you. You're skirting into dangerous territory with your post here (above) when you publicly complain that "Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM."

That sort of thing is not done here.

.

Thank you for the heads up. I'm not doint it to talk sh*t about him or anything. I can image he's got something better too do then reply every lame PM about a warning. That is all.

So if I offended or wronged anyone with this, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention,

Now son, me and my whole family come from the south and the Appalachia. So, when I say this...don't take offense.

Post: #40

Using Twainspeak would require a pretty rigorous adherence to convention beforehand I suspect. Have you ever read "A Tramp Abroad"?

That kind-a ver'naculer might'n be dun-right frown'd u'pon.

Post: #41

(06-15-2015 10:24 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:03 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:43 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:01 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  Since Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM, I'd like to ask if some of you could help me with the following. I've received a warning for 'textspeak' but I truly can't discover what I'm supposed to do different.

/thread-48244.html

Can anyone please tell me? I want to follow the rules but I can't when I don't know what rules I'm breaking..

EDIT: Guess I found it. Should not be using @ to replace 'at'.

You used the "at" symbol three times in your post. The "at" symbol (@) is not a word, and it shouldn't be used in normal prose unless the situation calls for it.

One other word of advice for you. You're skirting into dangerous territory with your post here (above) when you publicly complain that "Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM."

That sort of thing is not done here.

.

Thank you for the heads up. I'm not doint it to talk sh*t about him or anything. I can image he's got something better too do then reply every lame PM about a warning. That is all.

So if I offended or wronged anyone with this, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention,

If you're serious about being a valuable contributing member of this forum, take a look at the bolded portions of your post, as quoted above.

Your intentions may be good, but your on-going punctuation and spelling errors send a different message.

Also, writing shit as "sh*t" has been frowned up here as well. Either use the word or don't. I don't like it personally, so I don't use it. I do throw out a "fuck" once a while when it's appropriate to what I am attempting to communicating.

It would be wise to patch things up with Tuth. He works hard to keep this forum from descending into chaos and we all benefit from his commitment. It's best if you communicate in whatever way comes naturally to you, that you appreciate his hard work and there are no hard feelings about the warning you received.

Since it's hard to communicate tone when writing on the Internet, it's usually best to go above and beyond to not write anything that might come across as sarcastic or catty. Unfortunately, we've had a few members here who were very pleasant guys in person, but their in-person personality didn't translate well when it came to the Internet. Don't be that guy. Just go above and beyond to demonstrate goodwill whenever possible.

Otherwise, I'm sure we are all looking forward to your positive contributions to the RVF. Best of luck.

Thank you for this!

The 'doint' is a typo and I keep having trouble with to/too.

Like I said there aren't any hard feelings towards anyone, I just didn't understand why I was warned. Now I do, and ofcourse I will try my best to be a contributing member and not just someone that is leeching without crediting my 'source'.

Post: #42

(06-15-2015 12:24 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 07:53 PM)mouzone Wrote:  As a non-anglophone i appreciate the constructive criticism.

Us foreigners use a lot of english "text speak" mixed in our own language, the american influence is unstoppable and our own language is degenerating as well, which bothers me too. I'm glad there are fora like these who care about proper grammar, it will only help me with my english. I don't understand why anyone would have an issue with that.

Wetin be your mother tongue?

Yes wetin be my mother tongue. [!]

My mother tongue is dutch.

Post: #43

This forum is the strictest one I've encountered with respect to punctuation and grammar. At first I thought it was a bit overkill, but it keeps the quality here high as other forums degrade into oblivion. It also helped me become a better writer.

Post: #44

No forum for you by the ever popular Grammar Nazi:



I am somewhat guilty of using occasional abbreviations, but I am no natives speaker. I think that the new smartphone generation is so dumbed down, that they need to be explained the rules here. They honestly do not know.

However sending textspeak emails in your application to companies is like sending your CV with your dick-pic - utterly mindless.

Post: #45

About a year ago, some young guy I befriended in Toronto told me that it was "weird" to use punctuation when we chatting on Facebook. I never talked to him ever again.

2014...the year when people began to be criticized for correct grammar.

Post: #46

(06-15-2015 10:24 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:03 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:43 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:01 AM)FUBAR Wrote:  Since Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM, I'd like to ask if some of you could help me with the following. I've received a warning for 'textspeak' but I truly can't discover what I'm supposed to do different.

/thread-48244.html

Can anyone please tell me? I want to follow the rules but I can't when I don't know what rules I'm breaking..

EDIT: Guess I found it. Should not be using @ to replace 'at'.

You used the "at" symbol three times in your post. The "at" symbol (@) is not a word, and it shouldn't be used in normal prose unless the situation calls for it.

One other word of advice for you. You're skirting into dangerous territory with your post here (above) when you publicly complain that "Tuthmosis didn't reply to my PM."

That sort of thing is not done here.

.

Thank you for the heads up. I'm not doint it to talk sh*t about him or anything. I can image he's got something better too do then reply every lame PM about a warning. That is all.

So if I offended or wronged anyone with this, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention,

If you're serious about being a valuable contributing member of this forum, take a look at the bolded portions of your post, as quoted above.

Your intentions may be good, but your on-going punctuation and spelling errors send a different message.

Also, writing shit as "sh*t" has been frowned up here as well. Either use the word or don't. I don't like it personally, so I don't use it. I do throw out a "fuck" once a while when it's appropriate to what I am attempting to communicating.

It would be wise to patch things up with Tuth. He works hard to keep this forum from descending into chaos and we all benefit from his commitment. It's best if you communicate in whatever way comes naturally to you, that you appreciate his hard work and there are no hard feelings about the warning you received.

Since it's hard to communicate tone when writing on the Internet, it's usually best to go above and beyond to not write anything that might come across as sarcastic or catty. Unfortunately, we've had a few members here who were very pleasant guys in person, but their in-person personality didn't translate well when it came to the Internet. Don't be that guy. Just go above and beyond to demonstrate goodwill whenever possible.

Otherwise, I'm sure we are all looking forward to your positive contributions to the RVF. Best of luck.

It's especially funny reading all of this after the fact with a line through the poor fellow's name.

Post: #47

(06-15-2015 11:34 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  This forum is the strictest one I've encountered with respect to punctuation and grammar. At first I thought it was a bit overkill, but it keeps the quality here high as other forums degrade into oblivion. It also helped me become a better writer.

I'm just glad there's a place trying to keep standards up.

God knows we need it.

Post: #48

Every post FUBAR made in this thread has mad typos.

Post: #49

I tend to be very suspicious of men who use "lol" in their written communications. Of course, "lol" means that the writer is amused by something, but "lol" can't express the degree or nature of his amusement. He could perhaps refine the meaning by adding one or five explanation marks, or writing it in capitals, but a catch-all cluster of letters used universally in every situation cannot adequately express subtle meaning.

It really is the dumbing down of language and therefore the dumbing down of people. If you are unable to accurately express subtle meanings due to lack of suitable language, your experience of the world is necessarily impoverished.

"Lol" is the 21st century equivalent of "good," (usually a vague and unhelpful adjective), "LOL!" is the equivalent of "plusgood," and "OMFG LOL!!!!!!!!!" is the equivalent of "doubleplusgood."

Post: #50

The only time I use "textspeak" is when it's 100% intentional, e.g. talking with women/people that I want to convey they I am putting minimal effort into communicating with them, or when I am busy and need to text someone information so I use as much brevity as possible to get message out quickly.