Post: #1

So the last few weeks I've been on a serious OKC push and have scored a lot of dates and 6 new notches. Some were slam dunks but a couple required some skill defusing LMR. As a result I'm feeling more confident than I ever have post game with handling LMR but last night threw me for a major loop. I'm hoping the senior guys on here can help identify where I may have gone wrong or if it was just a lost cause and I should cut and run.

The girl: 42 year old divorced Asian woman, no kids. 5' tall, barely 100lbs, active in pole dancing fitness, no tats, pierced belly button. I would rate her body a 9.

The backstory: This was our second date. She doesn't drink so the first date was a quick meet and greet over tea and both of us had plans after. For the second date we met at a local restaurant mall and got some Thai food and talked for about an hour. When we finished our food I suggested that we head back to my apartment to see my photos and try some new non alcoholic ginger beer that I recently purchased.

She agreed and we went to our cars and she started to follow me home. When were about 2 mins from my place she called me and gave me the "hey, I don't know if I'm comfortable coming to your place yet" excuse. Thinking quickly on my feet I said "no problem, my apartment is like a resort and there's a lot of great places to sit outside and talk". She liked that idea so we did just that. We had a really good conversation talking about our past dating and relationship experiences and a lot of connection building type of stuff.

After another hour of us talking I said "So, how about we try that ginger beer?" and this time she agreed. We headed up to my place where I had her take her shoes off and I went into my typical first (second) date bang routine. I put on the music, we used the restroom and I made our (non alcoholic) drinks. We sat on my couch and talked and I went in for a kiss. We had kissed prior but this was the first time doing it in a private situation.

After kissing a few times she asked to see more of my photos so I pulled out my ipad and we looked through those which I think she genuinely enjoyed. After the slide show I pulled her in for more kissing and something funny happened. She looked at me kind of sleepy and said "I'm tired...." I remember reading on some blog where many times a woman will say that as code that she wants to go to bed with a guy so I said "hey, let's lay down for a while" and we went to my bed. She was wearing one of those thin cotton clingy dresses but refused to take it off at first. She asked if we could spoon and I kiss her neck and shoulders so that went on for a good half hour. She would let out moans and little sighs but every time my hands went towards her breasts or between her legs she would strongly push them away. Each time I would react unfazed and go back to kissing her neck and return later.

Finally she got to the point where she was ok with me pulling her dress and bra down to suck on her nipples and squeeze her breasts. She seemed to really get into this but again anything between the legs was off limits. However she did allow me to push her dress up and massage her legs and tiny little ass

Again, this pattern went on for a while until finally she was ok with taking the dress and bra off. All that was left was a little string thong. She turned to lay on her stomach and I was massaging her legs, ass and back and over time I was able to move her thong down inch by inch to where it was completely down away from her ass. I kept massaging and each time my thumbs would move more and more to the inside of her legs at the same time I was kissing her lower back and moving down until finally I was licking in between her ass crack and running my tongue over her asshole and finally pussy I was able to turn her over and completely went to town eating her out and fingering her. Just when I think she was about to cum she pushed me away and grabbed her dress and said "I need to go".

I said "no stay, we'll just sleep" (that was the plan by the way, she was going to sleep over). We went back to laying down spooning and I was genuinely ok with going to sleep but then she started doing to slow ass grind against me again and I went back to fingering her soaking wet pussy and then her asshole. By this time I was hard as a nail again and I was able to rub the tip against her pussy lips but each time I would try to push in she would pull away and do the "nooooo" sounding like a half sleeping pouting child . I tried a couple of more times and she jumped up and said "I'm leaving now". She quickly got dressed and was off. I was left thinking "what the hell just happened?"

I know this was a long winded story but having all of the details helps to diagnose the problem. I felt conflicted because on one hand there's a naked, wet Asian woman with probably the hottest body I've ever pulled laying in my bed with me. On the other hand, I know sleeping for a few hours can be a great LMR remedy but I was afraid she would either leave in the middle of the night or in the morning bolt out saying she needed to get to work leaving me with my dick in my hand.

It felt like a no win situation and I have a strong belief that there is no tomorrow or later, just right now. I'm not ashamed to say this one mindfucked the hell out of me....

Post: #2

(06-10-2015 11:31 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  The girl: 42 year old divorced Asian woman, no kids.

Thinking this may explain it all. At that age she may be looking for a provider and possibly kids, despite her womb being as fertile as the Sahara. Heck, like many women, she may think her fitness keeps her fertile, or that if aging celebs can mysteriously do it (donor eggs), so can she. lol

Or at that age she may simply want some of the validation/attention a younger woman, like herself half a lifetime ago, receives.

My vote is to next this literal cock-tease.

Post: #3

(06-10-2015 01:51 PM)262 Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 11:31 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  The girl: 42 year old divorced Asian woman, no kids.

Thinking this may explain it all. At that age she may be looking for a provider and possibly kids, despite her womb being as fertile as the Sahara. Heck, like many women, she may think her fitness keeps her fertile, or that if aging celebs can mysteriously do it (donor eggs), so can she. lol

Or at that age she may simply want some of the validation/attention a younger woman, like herself half a lifetime ago, receives.

My vote is to next this literal cock-tease.

You'd think older women were easier to lay/game.

Post: #4

(06-10-2015 02:18 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  You'd think older women were easier to lay/game.

Read Roosh's post, "My Experimentation With “Older” European Women":

http://www.rooshv.com/my-experimentation...pean-women

Relevant quote from the article:

Quote:Even worse, older women are not easier than younger girls when it comes to sex. They understand that men generally don’t respect easy girls so they purposefully adhere to their “no sex until X time” rules, trying to snag you into a relationship before you get a sample of the goods. If you want to waste dozens of game hours, pursue older European women because you think they’ll be easier.

I’ve concluded that women over 25 have little place in my dating life—not for relationships and not for casual sex. While younger women take more game, more effort, and a higher tolerance for bullshit, the rewards are far greater, because the relationship is more pleasing to my boner. She also doesn’t see me as a marriage parachute before hitting the dreaded 30. This is a shame because I expect an exploding population of yoga-practicing older women to hit European streets in the next ten years, but I can clearly see them as the damaged goods that they are. I rather work my ass off for something younger.

Post: #5

You got pretty damn far in my book for how much LMR you were getting.

She could of been freaked out, didn't want to be "that girl" anymore or just not that night.

I've had the "i'm not a slut" epiphany happen to me and a girl walked out.

I would've guided her hands to my dick, moved her head to give me a BJ, had her face me with mutual masturbation.

Sometimes no...means no. She wanted it bad but she didn't want to fuck on the first date.

I would downgrade her, see if she hits you up, if not just do a simple follow up text and play it cool.

For now it is what it is, until she responds OR doesn't respond.


There's a been a few instances where I've almost had the bang and blew it, this is one of them you're getting.

Hey we can't ALWAYS get the bang the first date

Post: #6

(06-10-2015 02:30 PM)262 Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 02:18 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  You'd think older women were easier to lay/game.

Read Roosh's post, "My Experimentation With “Older” European Women":

http://www.rooshv.com/my-experimentation...pean-women

Relevant quote from the article:

Quote:Even worse, older women are not easier than younger girls when it comes to sex. They understand that men generally don’t respect easy girls so they purposefully adhere to their “no sex until X time” rules, trying to snag you into a relationship before you get a sample of the goods. If you want to waste dozens of game hours, pursue older European women because you think they’ll be easier.

I’ve concluded that women over 25 have little place in my dating life—not for relationships and not for casual sex. While younger women take more game, more effort, and a higher tolerance for bullshit, the rewards are far greater, because the relationship is more pleasing to my boner. She also doesn’t see me as a marriage parachute before hitting the dreaded 30. This is a shame because I expect an exploding population of yoga-practicing older women to hit European streets in the next ten years, but I can clearly see them as the damaged goods that they are. I rather work my ass off for something younger.

I think you guys are right. Women post 40 are either comfortable with banging early on or their ASD is even stronger and there's usually not a middle ground. It tends to be an all or nothing proposition for me with this demographic.

Post: #7

(06-10-2015 02:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  You got pretty damn far in my book for how much LMR you were getting.

She could of been freaked out, didn't want to be "that girl" anymore or just not that night.

I've had the "i'm not a slut" epiphany happen to me and a girl walked out.

I would've guided her hands to my dick, moved her head to give me a BJ, had her face me with mutual masturbation.

Sometimes no...means no. She wanted it bad but she didn't want to fuck on the first date.

I would downgrade her, see if she hits you up, if not just do a simple follow up text and play it cool.

For now it is what it is, until she responds OR doesn't respond.


There's a been a few instances where I've almost had the bang and blew it, this is one of them you're getting.

Hey we can't ALWAYS get the bang the first date

Thanks @kaotic. This was actually our second date and I'm learning that there's no excuse for good old fashioned calibration. Other than her liking fitness pole dancing all of her behavior and body language indicated that she was on the more traditional, conservative side when it comes to having sex. In these situations I know if I miss the bang the chances of seeing the woman again are practically zero. If this were a medical case my prospects with her are similar to a patient who is brain dead. The focus turns to harvesting the organs to help others

With that being said I reached out to her a little while ago via text and she actually gave me some insightful information though it's littered in hamster speak.



A couple of her quotes were:

"I felt like you weren't listening to me. You would say one thing, but act the complete opposite throughout the night. It makes me wary and not trust what you say. I felt like you had a goal without any consideration for me. You already knew I had reservations about coming back to your place. It would have been nice if you had taken that into consideration."

But there's more...

"I understand that men can't read minds. I just felt like it was a ploy from the beginning when you wanted to take me back to your place for your ginger beer and photography. I was uncomfortable and called you to say that."

So I see it as good news/bad news. The good is that in spite of her obvious hesitation I came within the tip of getting the bang so that speaks for the progress of my game. The bad is that I should have calibrated to her actions and body language and either postponed going for the bang or just nexted her completely. Regardless, the best lessons are those which come from missing what you were going for.

I left it up to her as to whether she would like to get together again and her reply was "I'll think about it." On to the next....

Post: #8

All these explanations is closure on her end, rationalizing why your dick was almost inside her pussy.

She knows the score, she's been around the block, she probably knew exactly what you were doing, yet still went with it.

I came up with a new saying:

"If the hamster is strong, it's time to move on"

Radio silence this one. Sometimes we push too much besides seeing what we think are green lights.

Post: #9

(06-10-2015 03:16 PM)kaotic Wrote:  All these explanations is closure on her end, rationalizing why your dick was almost inside her pussy.

She knows the score, she's been around the block, she probably knew exactly what you were doing, yet still went with it.

I came up with a new saying:

"If the hamster is strong, it's time to move on"

Radio silence this one. Sometimes we push too much besides seeing what we think are green lights.

Already done. I have dates setup tonight, tomorrow and friday with new girls. This one goes to the end of the line.

Post: #10

(06-10-2015 03:08 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 02:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  You got pretty damn far in my book for how much LMR you were getting.

She could of been freaked out, didn't want to be "that girl" anymore or just not that night.

I've had the "i'm not a slut" epiphany happen to me and a girl walked out.

I would've guided her hands to my dick, moved her head to give me a BJ, had her face me with mutual masturbation.

Sometimes no...means no. She wanted it bad but she didn't want to fuck on the first date.

I would downgrade her, see if she hits you up, if not just do a simple follow up text and play it cool.

For now it is what it is, until she responds OR doesn't respond.


There's a been a few instances where I've almost had the bang and blew it, this is one of them you're getting.

Hey we can't ALWAYS get the bang the first date

Thanks @kaotic. This was actually our second date and I'm learning that there's no excuse for good old fashioned calibration. Other than her liking fitness pole dancing all of her behavior and body language indicated that she was on the more traditional, conservative side when it comes to having sex. In these situations I know if I miss the bang the chances of seeing the woman again are practically zero. If this were a medical case my prospects with her are similar to a patient who is brain dead. The focus turns to harvesting the organs to help others

With that being said I reached out to her a little while ago via text and she actually gave me some insightful information though it's littered in hamster speak.



A couple of her quotes were:

"I felt like you weren't listening to me. You would say one thing, but act the complete opposite throughout the night. It makes me wary and not trust what you say. I felt like you had a goal without any consideration for me. You already knew I had reservations about coming back to your place. It would have been nice if you had taken that into consideration."

But there's more...

"I understand that men can't read minds. I just felt like it was a ploy from the beginning when you wanted to take me back to your place for your ginger beer and photography. I was uncomfortable and called you to say that."

So I see it as good news/bad news. The good is that in spite of her obvious hesitation I came within the tip of getting the bang so that speaks for the progress of my game. The bad is that I should have calibrated to her actions and body language and either postponed going for the bang or just nexted her completely. Regardless, the best lessons are those which come from missing what you were going for.

I left it up to her as to whether she would like to get together again and her reply was "I'll think about it." On to the next....

That hamster is tough! But she's definitely been on the carousel for a while and trying to redeem herself. I wonder what she meant by you not listening to her. I think she sensed that you were deliberately being aloof while gaming her.

Post: #11

(06-10-2015 03:52 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  That hamster is tough! But she's definitely been on the carousel for a while and trying to redeem herself. I wonder what she meant by you not listening to her. I think she sensed that you were deliberately being aloof while gaming her.

My best guess is she was giving me the "do as I say not as I do" routine. Meaning she's completely naked in my bed, pussy is wet, she's rubbing up against me but why am I not listening when she says she doesn't want anything to happen??

I'll admit I was beating myself up pretty badly over this one since I have internalized the belief that game overcomes all but like I said before I need to pick my shots when I see them and punt on the times where I don't think I can make it happen. I've already learned more from this "failure" than I have from my last six notches (successes).

Post: #12

She'll call you soon after you forget about her for a bit. Abundance for the win.