Post: #26

A really excellent how to guide, thanks OP.

It certainly requires a significant amount of patience and investment of time, but is obviously necessary in many places to access the upper tiers of talent

Post: #27

(10-05-2014 09:04 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  When joining a new social circle how do you isolate the girl(s) you are interested in? Do you jump right into that or do you sit back and wait to figure out what's up between all the various actors?

Isolating the woman is actually one of the harder things to do when breaking into a new circle when you've first broken into a group(usually the first or second time you've met the group). Position yourself where you are sitting or standing so that you aren't directly engaging the woman or women in question. A bit off to the side but just enough to still have a commanding and confident position. It's all about posture and how you want come off. Commanding, interesting, etc., but in a position where you can work the group you are surrounded by and everyone in it. Talk to her and make a good impression that will last upon the next encounter while coming off disinterested in your words but interested in body language. Get to know her and the crew as well as exchange numbers with everyone. Make the conversation short and to the point while joining in the general conversation. You are here to make friends, not to hit on her. Don't even text her that much or set up a date afterward either that is a massive no no and will make a bad impression. Small talk about her and move on.

And in general for the circle sit back and listen to the conversation. This is an extended game of chess where you are trying to get your pawn to the other end of the board to promote it. You're the lion or the wolf hidden in the pawn that is going to be let out after making it to the other end of the board, but it will take time and many a hidden play to get there. Become suave and let off the charisma. Also don't be afraid to crack jokes at the weakest link in the group. Not insulting, but enough that you fit in right in like you were always with them while emphasizing friendship with the alpha without threatening his position(it will most obviously be the alpha male in the group leading it). On the off chance it's a woman and you want her as well(or even if you don't) you're going to have to emphasize the humor to keep her entertained as the male only wants an equal on his level while the alpha female will want something that's different from the usual guy. It's a slow game patience is a virtue.

Post: #28

Thanks for this. What kind of events can you go to start building your social circle specifically? Whenever I read these sorts of guides, its still hard to determine what kind of events I should be going to aside from the generic church or community service type suggestions.

What kind of community work have you tried and had success with? I have never done this, so have no idea what kinds of causes would be a good "return on investment", so to say.

When going to the centre of town to meet people, what kinds of venues do you go to meet people? People in the centre of town tend to be with their own groups already, how do you access them? In a coffee shop, local concert or music session?

What about meetup.com? I had some success with this in chicago but now that im in AZ, I havent seemed to be able to meet as cool or hip people.

I have normally been great at building social circles, which was fairly easy when I lived in asia due to the expat scenes, where people are naturally looking for friends, but seems harder in some US cities.

Appreciate your advice man.

Post: #29

(11-02-2014 02:01 PM)DonovanVC Wrote:  Thanks for this. What kind of events can you go to start building your social circle specifically? Whenever I read these sorts of guides, its still hard to determine what kind of events I should be going to aside from the generic church or community service type suggestions.

What kind of community work have you tried and had success with? I have never done this, so have no idea what kinds of causes would be a good "return on investment", so to say.

When going to the centre of town to meet people, what kinds of venues do you go to meet people? People in the centre of town tend to be with their own groups already, how do you access them? In a coffee shop, local concert or music session?

What about meetup.com? I had some success with this in chicago but now that im in AZ, I havent seemed to be able to meet as cool or hip people.

I have normally been great at building social circles, which was fairly easy when I lived in asia due to the expat scenes, where people are naturally looking for friends, but seems harder in some US cities.

Appreciate your advice man.

In terms of what community service you should do try Habitat for Humanity or some other kind of major charity organization. There's plenty of beautiful women in this scene. For some reason many women have a thing for philanthropic work. 99% of the chicks I ask about why they are doing a certain degree to become researchers or doctors is usually to "help people". It's one of those weird things. Just find a charity whose cause you want to support and work for them.

In terms of approaching and talking to people in the wild coffee shops are standard fare though this isn't the only type of place. In a coffee shop just listen in on their conversation and just add in a point and begin talking to them. Nonchalantly by the end of a long conversation going for 40 minutes plus just ask for their numbers because they seem pretty cool and that you should hang some time. At events just start talking to everyone and anyone about what's going on. At raves or music festivals everyone feels a common connection so work on that. Good luck and all the best.

Post: #30

That sounds good but what is the time commitment like with volunteering? It would be disingenuous to try it out only to find the time commitment is alot or that you end up working alongside no girls.

For those of us working 55-60+ hours a week, is adding volunteering on top of that even feasible?

What about joining sports teams?

Post: #31

(11-03-2014 03:27 PM)DonovanVC Wrote:  That sounds good but what is the time commitment like with volunteering? It would be disingenuous to try it out only to find the time commitment is alot or that you end up working alongside no girls.

For those of us working 55-60+ hours a week, is adding volunteering on top of that even feasible?

What about joining sports teams?

2-3 hours a week is the maximum I've really done but it's usually the standard amount I terms of how long. The main differences are if they need you on a weekly basis or once in a while. Volunteer when you can they are usually very flexible in terms of what date.

Sports teams are usually of a single sex so there is no point. If you are thinking group activity try a Zen Circle or yoga. Those places are loaded though I only have experience with a college Zen Circle(from what I hear outside of college Zen Circles are iffy with older women 26+ or they have little kids from 8-13 still no harm in checking it out).

Post: #32

As much as I hate selfish self promotion. I provided a more tangible example of implementing social circle game up on my blog from a recent experience I had a few nights back:

Quote:I’ll be completely honest being friends with a female is an absolute waste of your time if it’s for the same reasons as male companionship: loyalty, camaraderie, and the ability to think in purely logical terms. These three reasons are the primary things that one looks for in a male friend, but applying the same rules to women will leave you alone at your worst in terms of loyalty, her using you for status at your best betraying camaraderie, and the last should be completely obvious to the general reader of this kind of blog.

Irrespective of all of this in the right frame I would definitely agree to having them. If you cannot bed a beautiful woman remember that keeping her as your friend will only boost your status not hurt you (of course relative to what kind of relationship that is). The effectiveness of this was proven actually the other night when I brought a female friend whom brought her own equally attractive female friend when they went out with my crew(both were 8/10 in my book).

Since they were upper shelf girls, the thirsty men piled up on them on the dance floor. Of course they would get slightly pissed that I was ditching them, by not being a cockblock, and hitting on girls other than them. It would turn into a repetitive cycle of me opening a girl and them coming by and introducing them to the group of girls I opened(usually with at least one of my male friends around and introducing him too) leading girls to quite literally ask me to put my number into their phone. It would be the same deal with the staff I was trying to befriend usually leading to the staff providing complimentary drinks on them or cigarettes usually with business info exchanged. Sex sells.

Not only that, but I piqued the interest of the girl that my friend brought with her. Lots of low key kino from her when no one was looking. Thing is beautiful women tend to have friends whom are of equal or slightly lower status. Very rarely do you get a mother hen with a group of extremely attractive girls above a 7.5(even though finding such a group is like finding a unicorn as those levels of girls always have male company white knights/orbiters). So by showing confidence, setting up dates, and working the crowd as a social person in a venue with connections, you can easily impress girls of a social circle you are not even close too.

Downside being that as the de facto head of the group at the time, I was obligated to lead the group and not ditch them to escalate with the girls I've opened. As always whenever possible never be the head of a group, but be the guy closest to the head. It's nothing but a headache to be a popular babysitter of sorts.

Though you may not use this strategy. I do hope you take home one thing from this that was more or less alluded too. If you’re ever stuck in a situation where you are part of a group with greater than 30% girls being above a 7 or in a group with 30% or more being girls period, don’t ever cockblock men trying to get at them. Not only does it give you greater value in their eyes by chasing other girls and having your own fun, this also forces the women to be proactive and actually chase you/have feelings for you. As much as I love a good chase and cold approaching girls, I’d rather have it handed it to me on a silver platter.

Post: #33

Here's something I'm wondering. If you're dealing with a few different girls, does it make sense to stay off social media? Facebook/Twitter/Instagram seem like a mine field for guys who want to keep parts of their life private.

Post: #34

(05-31-2015 04:13 AM)BlueOcean Wrote:  Here's something I'm wondering. If you're dealing with a few different girls, does it make sense to stay off social media? Facebook/Twitter/Instagram seem like a mine field for guys who want to keep parts of their life private.

Maybe in an LTR , your social media presence could become more important, but i don't see why.

Also, you're dealing with multiple girls at once, i don't know where you live but over here, if they would notice, i would get rejected and shamed immediately by her entire social circle. I've seen it happen before.

So imo, it's better not to add those girls, just text.


I have a Facebook account just so girls can see i might be 'normal'.

Sometimes i even tell people i stopped using it for awhile, or only use it for 'business-related' stuff.

I have my privacy on lock, so the only thing they can see is my profile picture, and even with that they can't see the likes or detalis of the photo.

I never add girls, maybe if i'm in an LTR i would add her, but i'm not looking for that.

Just think about it , would you rather come across as a man who values his time,privacy and connections or a male attention whore who posts selfies with Drake quotes?

I know who wins.

Post: #35

(05-31-2015 09:57 AM)Driesinator Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 04:13 AM)BlueOcean Wrote:  Here's something I'm wondering. If you're dealing with a few different girls, does it make sense to stay off social media? Facebook/Twitter/Instagram seem like a mine field for guys who want to keep parts of their life private.

Maybe in an LTR , your social media presence could become more important, but i don't see why.

Also, you're dealing with multiple girls at once, i don't know where you live but over here, if they would notice, i would get rejected and shamed immediately by her entire social circle. I've seen it happen before.

So imo, it's better not to add those girls, just text.


I have a Facebook account just so girls can see i might be 'normal'.

Sometimes i even tell people i stopped using it for awhile, or only use it for 'business-related' stuff.

I have my privacy on lock, so the only thing they can see is my profile picture, and even with that they can't see the likes or detalis of the photo.

I never add girls, maybe if i'm in an LTR i would add her, but i'm not looking for that.

Just think about it , would you rather come across as a man who values his time,privacy and connections or a male attention whore who posts selfies with Drake quotes?

I know who wins.

I'm with you on that with Facebook, but Instagram is definitely useful for showing social proof. If a girl gets too curious say they are just friends. The photos from your Instagram would be then be posted on Facebook so they can double up use for Tinder.

If anything pictures with other women make them jealous and up your value. I honestly would not post and do not post much at all on Instagram or Facebook period unless it's pictures of me doing shit. It's kind of pointless otherwise.

Post: #36

For me, it's just about befriending girls...that's by far the easiest way to build a social circle from scratch and befriend cool guys.

As guys we love to hang out and become friends with guys who have access to hot girls so basically if you want to build a cool social circle you need to befriend those girls in the first place.
Nobody love to join a group of only men.

If you're a college student, like myself, it's not that hard....just open EVERY girl that attend your same classes (even ugly ones because they can have beautiful friends)...

I had to build a social circle from scratch because I'm attending college at a city far away from my home and when I arrived here I didn't know anybody.
As soon as my classes started I introduced myself to all the girls...a trick that works for me is to always introduce yourself with a handshake. I then stay with them for a half an hour and the at next class (the day after or whenever it's scheduled) I always arrive a bit earlier and I try to lock eyes with them....if they do it, I go sitting next to them and a friendship develop easily (keep sitting with them in the next classes and introduce your new female friends to the older ones and let's them mingle)

The more girls you befriend the better.....once you have befriended them, go out with them and introduce them to other people you want to hang out with and you'll become friends to cool dudes.

If you don't have any or few female friends you're fucked and you'll never build a cool social circle (without money) because cool guys don't care about you or your friendship...for example I couldn't care less about a guy who know who to talk socially and is fit if he doesn't have girls in his social circle. Why should I befriend him?

Post: #37

(06-03-2015 02:14 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  I couldn't care less about a guy who know who to talk socially and is fit if he doesn't have girls in his social circle. Why should I befriend him?

Perhaps his network is valuable (e.g., he went to Harvard Business School). If you gain his trust, then you gain his network's trust (though to a lesser extent). If you have a company, you need contacts to get contracts, but you need contacts who trust you to some extent. You also need a network to protect yourself from job insecurity.

Post: #38

(06-03-2015 02:21 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 02:14 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  I couldn't care less about a guy who know who to talk socially and is fit if he doesn't have girls in his social circle. Why should I befriend him?

Perhaps his network is valuable (e.g., he went to Harvard Business School). If you gain his trust, then you gain his network's trust (though to a lesser extent). If you have a company, you need contacts to get contracts, but you need contacts who trust you to some extent. You also need a network to protect yourself from job insecurity.

I, personally, don't care about that. I mean, companies look at your curriculum and your work experiences in deciding whether to hire you or not...they don't care about your ivy league friends.
Furthermore I'm not the kind of guy who places the career above a social life

In the end it's just a matter of equilibrium....people tend to mingle and hang out with people with the same value.....and, as I said, for us men value=access to beautiful girls.

Luckily college/university life is awesome to build a cool social circle (even if you start from zero). A guy has to just be social and open people because if he does the opposite (wait to be opened or leaving the initiative to others) he is doomed.
After university I believe only money can save a guy....he needs to play the "bottle service" card and befriend the promoters and club owners of high end clubs. In other words he has to play the "fool" (ie he has to make other people rich) to gain access to gorgeous women. Lots of people do it and it works good so I don't think it's bad after all

Post: #39

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  I, personally, don't care about that. I mean, companies look at your curriculum and your work experiences in deciding whether to hire you or not...they don't care about your ivy league friends.

You sound like you're still in college, indeed.

When hiring experts, companies care about skills and credentials. Companies also prefer to hire people who have been vouched for by people they know and trust. If you use your time in college to build your personal brand, to demonstrate competence at every level, you won't have to send CV's to companies as often as people who did not use college to build their personal brands.

When hiring generalist managers, trust is almost everything. You need someone you can trust to crack the whip and persuade or intimidate workers to work and produce value. Otherwise, they are stealing from investors.

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  Furthermore I'm not the kind of guy who places the career above a social life

You don't have to sacrifice your social life. You can choose to socialize with people who show potential to get somewhere in life. Ideally, you get to socialize with them in college, before they have learned how to lie and hide their thoughts.

Getting drunk with the future CEO and having lots of embarrassing photos of him at parties can be tremendously useful 20 years later. You don't need to blackmail anyone. Having embarrassing intel on other people bonds people, especially if other people have embarrassing intel on you, too. This is why some business meetings take place at strip clubs.

Post: #40

To be honest if we have to follow what the recruiters say, the overwhelming majority of people with first class honours degree shouldn't be hired because they clearly lack the "interpersonal relationships skill" all companies require. After all, nowadays lots of people work in teams.
Also, not every guy want to follow the standard career path. I study management but I don't want to settle for a consulting firm or a very boring audit work. I want a work that require a bit of creativity and that allow me to interact to new people every week with a flexible schedule.
Have you ever watched the show "Entourage"? Well, something like the character of Ari Gold would be awesome....managing the career of an actor it's so cool. But every work that allow you to strike a balance between a good career and a good social life is perfect for me.
For the kind of works I'm interested in, it's much more important to know people that have high social skills and KNOW people than to know people with high academic skills (ie just, for the most part, useless theory).

For sure I don't want to become a business analyst of some top tier companies that just ruin your life with their ludicrous working hours . A summer internships with one of them in London was enough to understand that I'd rather be broke than to work for them. And, indeed, people who accept to work for them are usually people with no social life whatsoever so they have nothing to lose (apart gaining access to a stress ridden life).

I believe we have very different goals career-wise....You are much more into following the standard path (judging by your worries of befriending future CEOs or highly succesfull students) than me

Post: #41

(06-03-2015 04:03 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  For the kind of works I'm interested in, it's much more important to know people that have high social skills and KNOW people than to know people with high academic skills (ie just, for the most part, useless theory).

Ari Gold went to Harvard Business School, didn't he?

It's not his academic skills that matter, it's his network.

Post: #42

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  I, personally, don't care about that. I mean, companies look at your curriculum and your work experiences in deciding whether to hire you or not...they don't care about your ivy league friends.

It sounds like you haven't had any significant work experience to speak of, so I'm not sure why you think you know more than the recruiters you deride later in this thread.

This is by no means conclusive, but I'm sure if you spend some time researching you can find further support of why networking is important.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2...rvey-says/

Networking is one of the most powerful things in the world. It can get you hired, it can get you girls, it can get you financial opportunities you could never achieve on your own, and it can get you things that are not purchaseable at any price.

Post: #43

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  Furthermore I'm not the kind of guy who places the career above a social life

In the end it's just a matter of equilibrium....people tend to mingle and hang out with people with the same value.....and, as I said, for us men value=access to beautiful girls.

Luckily college/university life is awesome to build a cool social circle (even if you start from zero). A guy has to just be social and open people because if he does the opposite (wait to be opened or leaving the initiative to others) he is doomed.
After university I believe only money can save a guy....he needs to play the "bottle service" card and befriend the promoters and club owners of high end clubs. In other words he has to play the "fool" (ie he has to make other people rich) to gain access to gorgeous women. Lots of people do it and it works good so I don't think it's bad after all

There are plenty of guys (including Roosh) who admit to not being very good with women in college, who later developed in many areas.

So you're going to refuse to associate with guys and judge on them on their supposed "value" when none of you have actually accomplished anything yet besides maybe a few bangs?

That's a great way to miss out on many valuable connections down the road, and possible close friendships.


And don't even get me started about your thoughts on "after university" which just reek of game denialism and talking from lack of experience.

Post: #44

I think Aneroid Ocean and Icarus did good jobs of explaining already what I'm going to type up in length right now, but I guess I have to explain some misconceptions that new guys to RVF might not know that guys who've been around a while would know.

I guess I should start this off by saying Gosh900 is not necessarily completely wrong in his method to start up a social circle and I was there at one point too, but it's completely easy to tell that his is not big enough or lucrative enough to warrant more general gain from it. Even mine just recently hit the point where I could profit from it financially through business creation or finding funding for certain projects.

Alright first of all. Social circle game is not about pussy. It might be a steady source of pussy as that was the initial reason I created this datasheet, but it has a myriad amount of reasons for being necessary. Free Club entry, party locations, business partners, friends, access to interesting people, a group of people who may be able to help you in your time of need, entertainment......, and lastly pussy. This is why you talk to EVERYONE not just women in order to get a social circle going. Women are a part of the end game, and those aforementioned things draw women more than the women themselves. It's like putting the cart before the horse and running game in order to build a social circle, but at that point one of its end goals is pointless.

Why get all this access to guys who make moonshine, free club entry/guest lists, location to low key events/parties, and other things when part of those things is access to more women? Cool guys also want those things so attracting like minded cool guys with their own groups, usually with hot women, needs more than just a bunch of 6s and 7s that you somehow magically got to hang around together without any incentive at all.

I also highly doubt you could be fucking the number of women needed to maintain a social circle at the same time while all of them meeting at the same place. The sheer number would be monstrous. If anything I think they might be using you as the butt of a joke or think of you as a creep for thinking you alone without any value are trying to form a group of women around yourself.

The issue with this kind of game is that there are certain rules, and the foremost being that maintaining a harem has to be done with women in social circles that haven't cross pollinated. That's why it's so damned hard for it to be used as a way to secure sex as it can end up being the equivalent of shitting where you are eating. It's why I'm not bragging about banging 8s and 9s all the time in the I-Just-Had-Sex thread. I know girls of that caliber, but even then I'm not banging them and instead their slightly less attractive friends. I'll be honest my game is medicore regardless of what other members say about me. I might get them occasionally but I'm having an alright supply of cute upper end 6s and some 7s here and there. I might just pull an 8, 9, or 10, but that's when I improve my own game to a level I can.

I would like to also mention that 80% of the time I see men leading social circles with lots of beautiful women or are the funding behind said groups of beautiful women. It's clearly obvious that Gosh hangs out with the younger part of the college crowd(certainly I myself prefer too as well and am technically a part of that crowd).

It's because for the majority of groups of girls over 20/21-30 their social circles are well established at that point, and odds are she won't be leaving them any time soon unless she moves to another city(again a rare oddity for the older crowd).

That's why to get access to a group and their women you have to befriend the males at the head or the matriarch that happens to be locking down "King" Beta Bucks that fuels their sprees(in the latter case befriending Beta Bucks is quite simple if the woman likes you).

This is the territory Icarus and Ocean covered earlier, but I have to mention it in passing as well. If you think your "curriculum" and "skills" are what land you the aforementioned stuff or a job thing again. It's all about who you know and who vouches for you. There's a 1000 Johns a day sucking up to the same promoters at a club or the same business owner with the same credentials. If you happen to know a Steve that actually knows them odds are you are getting that connection more so than everyone else. Getting a sustainable lifestyle either to make lots of money or to make enough money while working low hours to have a free lifestyle is a pipe dream that everyone is after and few achieve.

This is why bottle service losers are only invited back when they spend over a certain threshold because it exceeds the losers who can't do it regularly because of how little they spend. Those guys exceed John to become Richie Rich, and aren't in the same league as you or me, and why we have to provide a little bit extra in non-financial matters/ways.

If you think you can get by and "play the fool" you just might be bordering on delusional as you'll be sucked dry, out of cash, and framed for the death of some poor, dead amateur pornstar when all is said and done. I highly doubt you or even myself can get that kind of inexhaustible amount of money that could sustain that kind of lifestyle which could cost more than just a few million to pay for the drugs, bottles, and company of gold diggers. Playing the fool can be left to the elites.

Edit: Also pointing out it's usually one woman belonging to one social circle. Women are not likely to join more than one groups of people to hang out with and party regularly. There must be an outside impetus for her to switch groups. Very rarely have I met any woman or for that reason many men whom hang out with different groups of people. Usually most people are set in one social circle even in the RVF crowd.

Also special thanks to LeBeau for covering something I forgot to mention.

Edit 2: Gosh's method is useful for picking up lone girls in the younger crowd who don't have a group to hangout with especially if a good portion of your group is younger than the rest.

Post: #45

(06-03-2015 08:18 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  I, personally, don't care about that. I mean, companies look at your curriculum and your work experiences in deciding whether to hire you or not...they don't care about your ivy league friends.

It sounds like you haven't had any significant work experience to speak of, so I'm not sure why you think you know more than the recruiters you deride later in this thread.

This is by no means conclusive, but I'm sure if you spend some time researching you can find further support of why networking is important.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2...rvey-says/

Networking is one of the most powerful things in the world. It can get you hired, it can get you girls, it can get you financial opportunities you could never achieve on your own, and it can get you things that are not purchaseable at any price.

What are you talking about? I've never said networking isn't important...I just said that high performing ivy league friends or guys with a GPA of 4 are usually useless because they have zero social skills.

If you like them, it's okay for me! I just said I'd never hang out with them because they are losers socially. Who cares about their academic achievement. I'm not giving away nobel prizes.

Moreover, for me "social circle" and "network" are synonymous....when I say a social circle is important I indirectly say that a network of people is important....but the people I deem important are different than yours.

Post: #46

(06-03-2015 09:04 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  Furthermore I'm not the kind of guy who places the career above a social life

In the end it's just a matter of equilibrium....people tend to mingle and hang out with people with the same value.....and, as I said, for us men value=access to beautiful girls.

Luckily college/university life is awesome to build a cool social circle (even if you start from zero). A guy has to just be social and open people because if he does the opposite (wait to be opened or leaving the initiative to others) he is doomed.
After university I believe only money can save a guy....he needs to play the "bottle service" card and befriend the promoters and club owners of high end clubs. In other words he has to play the "fool" (ie he has to make other people rich) to gain access to gorgeous women. Lots of people do it and it works good so I don't think it's bad after all

There are plenty of guys (including Roosh) who admit to not being very good with women in college, who later developed in many areas.

So you're going to refuse to associate with guys and judge on them on their supposed "value" when none of you have actually accomplished anything yet besides maybe a few bangs?

That's a great way to miss out on many valuable connections down the road, and possible close friendships.


And don't even get me started about your thoughts on "after university" which just reek of game denialism and talking from lack of experience.

Stop this false benevolence...the world is harsher than you guys want it to be.
When I was in high school I didn't have a cool social circle and nobody granted me access to their cool social circle. Why? Because I didn't have value (ie I didn't know many girls).

Nobody is a fool here and nobody is willing to give something without getting anything in return, and that return for me is girls.
At my age I value access to girls above everything so yeah if you don't know lots of girls I don't care about your friendship...I already have lots of male friends throughout Europe, I don't need more of them. If we can exchange something equally (girls) it's okay otherwise I'm not willing to do my part.

Roosh do the same. He doesn't sell his books for free....you need money to buy his books otherwise the exchange won't take place. The difference is that he asks money, I asks for girls.
The principle is the same...you want something? You need to give something and that "something" has to be a thing the other person is interested in receiving.
I don't think Roosh would accept to sell me his books if I give him 20 tomatoes and 25 kg of pasta.

At the same level, a guy in his late teens/early twenties who has access to models won't give a fuck about your GPA or you future career....you're crazy if you think otherwise....he'll maybe grant you access to his social circle if you pay him (and we go back to the bottle service game).

Post: #47

(06-04-2015 12:40 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  What are you talking about? I've never said networking isn't important...I just said that high performing ivy league friends or guys with a GPA of 4 are usually useless because they have zero social skills.

Actually, this is what you stated:

(06-04-2015 12:40 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  If you like them, it's okay for me! I just said I'd never hang out with them because they are losers socially. Who cares about their academic achievement. I'm not giving away nobel prizes.

This is a strawman argument. I didn't say anything about their academic achievement and you didn't initially say anything about them being social losers. This is what you said and what many are pointing out as flawed:

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  I, personally, don't care about that. I mean, companies look at your curriculum and your work experiences in deciding whether to hire you or not...they don't care about your ivy league friends.

Perhaps you need to fully explain your reasoning, because the above statement on it's face is at best short-sighted and at worst outright false.

(06-04-2015 12:40 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  Moreover, for me "social circle" and "network" are synonymous....when I say a social circle is important I indirectly say that a network of people is important....but the people I deem important are different than yours.

There is a subtle difference between the two. As defined on dictionary.com/Wikipedia:

Networking: a supportive system of sharing information and services among individuals and groups having a common interest

Social Circle: A social circle is a group of socially interconnected people. A social circle may be viewed from the perspective of an individual who is the locus of a particular group of socially interconnected people and from the perspective of the group as a cohesive unit. | Social circles tend to have unique sets of norms and values. Individuals who do not comply with them may be ostracized, admonished, or even embarrassed by other members of the group.

A practical example, personally I have:

Social Circle - All kinds of groups of friends that I hang out with, usually through common interests or friends, but always people I actually hang out with socially at least a few times a year. My social circle has multiple tiers but outside of the tightest knit tier, many of the people can come/go depending on a variety of factors. Some people I get tired of, some people move away or drop out of my social circle of their own volition.

Network - Lawyers, accountants, contractors, bar/club employees, former coworkers, current coworkers, entrepreneurs, photographers, etc... Some of these people are also in my social circle but many of them I see or interact with rarely, but when I need advice or help or services from these people they are the first people I call and I am able to get either free or hugely discounted expert help from them. The value I can provide to them is varied depending on their needs. My network grows, but generally social aspects don't affect it much.

Further, many of the people in this thread would like you to explain why you state the following. It appears on the surface to be complete game denialism, but perhaps you have further depth to the statement that makes it relevant:

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  After university I believe only money can save a guy....he needs to play the "bottle service" card and befriend the promoters and club owners of high end clubs. In other words he has to play the "fool" (ie he has to make other people rich) to gain access to gorgeous women.

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(06-04-2015 12:58 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:04 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 02:56 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  Furthermore I'm not the kind of guy who places the career above a social life

In the end it's just a matter of equilibrium....people tend to mingle and hang out with people with the same value.....and, as I said, for us men value=access to beautiful girls.

Luckily college/university life is awesome to build a cool social circle (even if you start from zero). A guy has to just be social and open people because if he does the opposite (wait to be opened or leaving the initiative to others) he is doomed.
After university I believe only money can save a guy....he needs to play the "bottle service" card and befriend the promoters and club owners of high end clubs. In other words he has to play the "fool" (ie he has to make other people rich) to gain access to gorgeous women. Lots of people do it and it works good so I don't think it's bad after all

There are plenty of guys (including Roosh) who admit to not being very good with women in college, who later developed in many areas.

So you're going to refuse to associate with guys and judge on them on their supposed "value" when none of you have actually accomplished anything yet besides maybe a few bangs?

That's a great way to miss out on many valuable connections down the road, and possible close friendships.


And don't even get me started about your thoughts on "after university" which just reek of game denialism and talking from lack of experience.

Stop this false benevolence...the world is harsher than you guys want it to be.
When I was in high school I didn't have a cool social circle and nobody granted me access to their cool social circle. Why? Because I didn't have value (ie I didn't know many girls).

Nobody is a fool here and nobody is willing to give something without getting anything in return, and that return for me is girls.
At my age I value access to girls above everything so yeah if you don't know lots of girls I don't care about your friendship...I already have lots of male friends throughout Europe, I don't need more of them. If we can exchange something equally (girls) it's okay otherwise I'm not willing to do my part.

Roosh do the same. He doesn't sell his books for free....you need money to buy his books otherwise the exchange won't take place. The difference is that he asks money, I asks for girls.
The principle is the same...you want something? You need to give something and that "something" has to be a thing the other person is interested in receiving.
I don't think Roosh would accept to sell me his books if I give him 20 tomatoes and 25 kg of pasta.

At the same level, a guy in his late teens/early twenties who has access to models won't give a fuck about your GPA or you future career....you're crazy if you think otherwise....he'll maybe grant you access to his social circle if you pay him (and we go back to the bottle service game).

You reek of game denialist and thirst. If you think women and money are the only currencies you have another thing coming. I'll just wait for it to blow up in your face when the worst comes. Guys who think like you are a dime dozen and they are the first to go. Everyone, including myself, has given valid responses to everything you said. I'll just leave you with that as your reading comprehension seems to be on an abysmally low level.

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amazing post!

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A forum member messaged me about Houston so thought I would update this thread with a fresh approach as to what I do and how I live in terms of social circle this is from the PM I sent him:

Quote:Houston isn't a walking city. You'll have to tailor a sniper approach. It's more here about what kind of girls you think will be

A. Into you
B. Attractive

Here it's more about finding that balance, and it's not based on race, type of scene, etc. It's more about finding the kind of girl whose personality meshes with yours that fits the above two limitations.

So you'll be wondering where do I find this?

Day game pick a coffee shop to be a regular at. Build up a rapport with the other regulars. Make small talk. The South is a place of small talk. Friends are easy to make though it comes under the condition that you run into them often enough.

So it's all about picking a rhythm and sticking with it. Weekdays are good for clubs so pick 2-3 initially to go too during the week and become recognized. Build up a rapport with everyone. And hit up shows during the weekend. Underground raves, indie concerts, etc. Again similar types of shows initially.

This city is a long con kind of city because of this. Eventually when you've become a recognized face after the first 2 or 3 regular times you'll start running into the same people. Those people will then introduce you to others as odds are you'll have similar interests to them.

Once you're in with a crowd that you go out with you change up the venues and repeat. You'll then get a feel for what kind of girl will be into you in this city by the first time around. So every time you meet a chick you'll screen for that.

I repeat spam approaching doesn't work. It's all about building rapport. People are generally friendly which is why word spreads fast when someone is "creepy".

If you're interested in building a set up like that. Houston is your city. If you're into just day gaming as is without building rapport. You'd want a city more like NYC. Numbers game works better up there, though even there your quality will suffer. The current game is outdated with dealing with quality control.

And to answer your last few questions. They're very susceptible to day game, but it depends on who introduces you or how you come across. You can't be a blobbering slob like the rest of the guys who need booze and try to approach during the day or too forward.

SNLs happen all the time, but it's within social circles and it's not talked about. STRs and LTRs are more preferable though. The more damaged woman online are better for pump and dumps though your quality will suffer comparatively.