Post: #151

(04-26-2015 11:53 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  Can someone tell me WHY a woman would rather fuck a man with game and no money, instead of a man with equal game ability and some money?

I'll give it a try. I've mentioned before that age come into play. Also when you're talking about money helping you mention incomes of 100k-300k. For a minute assume I'm talking about quite a bit more money than that. Also assume that I'm in the 40s so I'm not a young wallstreet buck, I have a few grey hairs.

In the case of a young guy (20s-mid 30s) making 100k-300k a year looking at 18-22 yr old girls, you should do great and money helps in that case.

In my case I'm interested in mid 20s girls. They see 8-9 figures and they think marriage wouldn't be so bad. So they close their legs and act like they're virgins hoping to catch the UHNW guy. All the time they're banging their young broke guy discretely on the side. A girl has her needs. Remember, girls do not act rationally. They act first and then try to rationalize what they did after the fact.

Here's a video where this is demonstrated. I can't say whether it's real or staged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGEO6ig8WsM

Post: #152

(04-27-2015 01:34 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  Here's a video where this is demonstrated. I can't say whether it's real or staged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGEO6ig8WsM

I think it's real and it is fantastic, though it's essentially demonstrating Beta behavior.

Still the money aspect is valid.

Tyler had a video once (he is probably in the high 7 figures by now himself) - where he talks about taking girls on private planes. He experienced it firsthand how girls suddenly became very reluctant and he would not get the bang as they attempted to "be good girls". He compared it to one other instructor's van which had some inane paintings on it and a disco-ball inside. Girls would readily go inside that thing, because the only thing that they would want to do in there was to have fun. While on the other case the private plane would make her want to enjoy that lifestyle for longer - often triggering a no-sex-before-date-3-to-5-or-he-thinks-I-am-a-slut-and-have-no-chance-to-lock-him-down behavior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fqKHluYLgw

Post: #153

(04-27-2015 01:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Tyler had a video once (he is probably in the high 7 figures by now himself) - where he talks about taking girls on private planes. He experienced it firsthand how girls suddenly became very reluctant and he would not get the bang as they attempted to "be good girls". He compared it to one other instructor's van which had some inane paintings on it and a disco-ball inside. Girls would readily go inside that thing, because the only thing that they would want to do in there was to have fun. While on the other case the private plane would make her want to enjoy that lifestyle for longer - often triggering a no-sex-before-date-3-to-5-or-he-thinks-I-am-a-slut-and-have-no-chance-to-lock-him-down behavior.

It seems to go one way or the other. Either they want to join the mile high club (yessssss) or they turn into "good girls". It seems to break down by age more or less.

Post: #154

Is there such a thing as an alpha provider? Those dudes in the Sopranos were forever buying their goomahs diamonds, cars, clubs and diamonds. And those dudes were anything but beta.

Post: #155

(04-27-2015 04:41 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Is there such a thing as an alpha provider? Those dudes in the Sopranos were forever buying their goomahs diamonds, cars, clubs and diamonds. And those dudes were anything but beta.

Dark Triad Mafia members get their own attraction scale - whenever a girl fucks a man who could actually kill her & bury her in the woods, then I would say that this gets a specific degree of excitement for her.

I have once read about an escort who actually fell in love with such a guy. He traveled with her to some exotic island, fucked her silly and was very Alpha. She said that she fell in love with him and did not even want money, but he insisted. He was not interested in a LTR.

But that's a specific degree of Dark Triad that personally I would not want to feign. I am more of a Jedi than a Sith. There is little happiness in the dark side.

Post: #156

(04-27-2015 04:41 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Is there such a thing as an alpha provider? Those dudes in the Sopranos were forever buying their goomahs diamonds, cars, clubs and diamonds. And those dudes were anything but beta.

Funny you say that. I have watched up to the last season of the Sopranos and while Tony and certain guys are certainly aggressive, violent, evil, etc. That does not make them alpha or redpill. I vaguely remember in the Sopranos thread on the other subforum where guys make that observation, but I just don't agree with it. Like lots of normal people, they will only be red pill to a small degree. They are still very blue pill minded and hooked into too many other beta like things. We could debate that for hours.

For starters, nearly all of them have terrible oneitis, do p4p/transactional sex, pedstalization of pussy, incredible displays of whiteknighting, are just the tip of the iceberg.

It is easy to think of violent and deviant men that are out of control as typical alphas, but they are not really the same as regular alphas. Kosko called it blue blooded alpha in this thread here about War Machine and Christy Mack. He outlines the differences very nicely. Guys like that are only about themselves only and are heartless. This is spot on because even in nature there are alpha wolves like this and other more typical alpha wolves that lead a pack normally.

Post: #157

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Post: #158

All this talk about money has made me wonder, is there an effective way to transform money into fame?

Of course we're not talking about having fuckload of money, but lets say you are earning 6 figures with something to put in the bank, and you are pretty high up the pyramid of needs, is there a way you can build fame with the couple of hundreds grants you can spare?

We all know that among all the game multipliers (looks, money, lifestyle, fame), fame is probably among the top one. While it is related to money, it's still an independent variable (think rock bands)

Since I dont really care much about having top dollars, I prefer having fame. But fame is harder to build than money.

Post: #159

(04-28-2015 07:59 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  All this talk about money has made me wonder, is there an effective way to transform money into fame?

Of course we're not talking about having fuckload of money, but lets say you are earning 6 figures with something to put in the bank, and you are pretty high up the pyramid of needs, is there a way you can build fame with the couple of hundreds grants you can spare?

We all know that among all the game multipliers (looks, money, lifestyle, fame), fame is probably among the top one. While it is related to money, it's still an independent variable (think rock bands)

Since I dont really care much about having top dollars, I prefer having fame. But fame is harder to build than money.

Wrong. It's the reverse. It is relatively easy to get fame or notoriety compared to money. Perhaps the easiest way to obtain shameless fame via money is to either use it to get into the movie/TV industry via producing or even easier get into politics. Get yourself into a few 2,500 dollar spaghetti dinner plate events and watch how quickly you become known as a donor. All top democrat and republican donors are well known even the ones that do not say anything in public at all. The ones that are loud mouthed like the Koch brothers, can quickly become a household name in a matter of minutes. Buy a sports team and it is automatic.

Post: #160

(04-28-2015 07:59 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  All this talk about money has made me wonder, is there an effective way to transform money into fame?

Of course we're not talking about having fuckload of money, but lets say you are earning 6 figures with something to put in the bank, and you are pretty high up the pyramid of needs, is there a way you can build fame with the couple of hundreds grants you can spare?

We all know that among all the game multipliers (looks, money, lifestyle, fame), fame is probably among the top one. While it is related to money, it's still an independent variable (think rock bands)

Since I dont really care much about having top dollars, I prefer having fame. But fame is harder to build than money.

Here is what 2 billion inheritance and a crazy SJW mindset can bring you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Wilzig
http://chucktaylorblog.blogspot.de/2012/...to-la.html



You can buy yourself a spot in the charts, in reality TV shows and small time parts as well.



At least that crazy guy lives like Hugh Hafner - saw him once in a TV report and literally dozens of girls were living in his Hampton fake castle and getting fucked by him.



Whether you need fame for that is questionable. Throwing parties which are big enough attractis minor and even greater celebrities after a time.

The greatest fame is as a Hollywood actor. I have read of a few millionaires who pumped millions into movies and tried to make themselves stars, but that is more difficult to do. If you position yourself as a lead and the movie sucks, then even 100 mio. $ invested in it won't make it a hit and no distributor will touch it. Theoretically you could put yourself in the movies like Quentin Tarantino and get thus a certain fame, but that Sir Ivan guy could have invested 350 mio. $ in a flic and it would still bomb if he was the main star. He is not Quentin Tarantino as a director and writer.

Literally the only advantage of fame is to get laid much easier with some women. But I have also heard that is becomes more difficult to fuck others (A level celebrities, A level models etc.), because they don't want their faces in the news.





You don't need to go that crazy in order to get parties full with girls there.
There is a good reason why some men abhor fame, since it limits your freedom after a while. That's why the big Hollywood stars later on start to hate their star-status. Not being able to walk down the street or travel in anonymity becomes more of a drab than a plus.

TK - becoming famous as a businessman, donor, politician, even billionaire, team owner is not comparable to a fame that women are into. Any B- or even C-level actor has much more fame that counts among the party girls. This kind of fame is more difficult to attain.

Post: #161

Quote:TK - becoming famous as a businessman, donor, politician, even billionaire, team owner is not comparable to a fame that women are into. Any B- or even C-level actor has much more fame that counts among the party girls. This kind of fame is more difficult to attain.

That's not correct either. He said fame in general. Fame itself is easier to obtain for those with money. Fame with women via money is merely a choice like that guy you posted above. He chose to be like Hugh Hefner or whatever. Any idiot with a ton of money can do that. Getting the money in the first place is always the hard part. Anyone with tons of money that is unknown in these girl heavy fame circles are keeping it low key enough for it to stay that way, presumptuously for business reasons. Mixing business with pleasure is a not good for probably 99% of the entire world, regardless of how much money you have. Trust fund babies are probably the best known examples of the 1% that can without punishment.

Post: #162

Slightly off topic. Anyone seen the videos of Hugh Hefner's son, Cooper Hefner? Dude seems beta and far from being a, playboy. Maybe alpha isnt always genetic.

Post: #163

If alpha was always genetic then this site wouldn't exist.

Post: #164

(04-28-2015 12:30 PM)Fortis Wrote:  If alpha was always genetic then this site wouldn't exist.

But there is a new alpha. Most of the alphas who act on instinct are locked up. New society doesn't encourage men to be men. We have to learn the new alpha to prevent ourselves from getting snagged by a system that discourages traditional alpha.

Somewhere I read that Nerds rule the world, isn't this true?

Post: #165

(04-28-2015 11:58 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Slightly off topic. Anyone seen the videos of Hugh Hefner's son, Cooper Hefner? Dude seems beta and far from being a, playboy. Maybe alpha isnt always genetic.

Cooper doesn't have to be alpha...all he needs to is access to the playboy mansion
and travel with the playboy bunnies as their "Brand Ambassador"...which he's getting paid for...

Dominant doesn't always mean long term success. Just look at the dinosaurs.
They were the dominant species...the alphas. Until they got wiped out by a meteor...

Post: #166

(04-29-2015 05:05 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 11:58 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Slightly off topic. Anyone seen the videos of Hugh Hefner's son, Cooper Hefner? Dude seems beta and far from being a, playboy. Maybe alpha isnt always genetic.

Cooper doesn't have to be alpha...all he needs to is access to the playboy mansion
and travel with the playboy bunnies as their "Brand Ambassador"...which he's getting paid for...

The Alpha Beta paradigm is still misunderstood in the 'sphere.

You can be deep Blue Pill Beta, but you will get laid like gangbusters if:

+ you are model-looks & height
+ you are famous
+ you have a situational status

Sure - even if you are deep feminist Beta in a LTR and might get dumped or divorced by a woman with options, that does not mean that you cannot get laid massively like that.

In fact Hollywood has a couple of actors like that. Watch the millionaire matchmaker and you will see tall good-looking ex-NFL players already having been divorced 2 times and now looking for "true-love" no. 3 - still being Blue Pill Beta. Those guys have no problem getting laid, but that alone is not an indicator of the Alpha state.

On the other hand does your 70 year old masculine grandfather stop being Alpha, because he is no longer attractive to the young hotties? Alpha and Beta are states of mind and they somewhat correlate to sexual attraction, but not completely.

Post: #167

I agree with WSPB that being famous is stupid. I don't want thousands of average people knowing who I am. We have a number of guys on this forum who are smashing talent on par with the girls in these pictures. Also, call me naive or stupid, but I want a girl that I'm regularly banging to like me for personal qualities, not for things like access, etc. To me there is value in that. I think if you stop caring about this human element, you start to become soulless and lose some basic humanity. But to each their own.

Post: #168

It sounds like what you're describing is being in charge of you life
and living happily on your own terms.

If that's an "Alpha" state of mind, then Beta would the opposite:
living a life you have no control over and not being very happy.

Besides that, and doing your best to improve your life/situation,
I don't really see Alpha and Beta labels being that helpful.

Post: #169

(04-29-2015 09:03 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  It sounds like what you're describing is being in charge of you life
and living happily on your own terms.

If that's an "Alpha" state of mind, then Beta would the opposite:
living a life you have no control over and not being very happy.

Besides that, and doing your best to improve your life/situation,
I don't really see Alpha and Beta labels being that helpful.

+ Alpha is always trying to be in charge in any kind of relationship with a woman (works also in same-sex relationships)

+ Alpha is the one party which not only is trying to call the shots, but is very hard to control

Those are the main uniform definitions of it - plus it makes a difference whether you are Red Pill or Blue Pill and whether you know and use Game or not - better put whether Game has become part of your being.

Then Red Pill Alpha with Game is on a completely different ball-level. Very few men are like that "naturally".

Equating it with happiness or or control in life does not even make sense.

Post: #170

I've met WestCoast. He just rubs some people the wrong way. Hes a really good dude.

He never said "$= girls".

He said what experiences $ will buy allows your access and more fun to better girls. All things being equal, having more fun + better things = better girls.

*** Westcoat told me 1.5 years ago that he was living on 3-4k/month in San Francisco and stacking all his $. Does it sound like hes doing the beta buxs route? The simple irrefutable fact is that $ matters.

It has utility up to a certain point. $ is a tool, not power in of itself.

PS- hes been doing internet sales, so his title is clickbait. He sucked all you guys into this.

Post: #171

(04-28-2015 04:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 12:30 PM)Fortis Wrote:  If alpha was always genetic then this site wouldn't exist.

But there is a new alpha. Most of the alphas who act on instinct are locked up. New society doesn't encourage men to be men. We have to learn the new alpha to prevent ourselves from getting snagged by a system that discourages traditional alpha.

Somewhere I read that Nerds rule the world, isn't this true?

Moma, you misunderstood my point.

If alpha was ONLY genetic then there would be no way to develop it, but we know this is not the case. Men can change themselves for the better by following examples and guidelines.

Otherwise I agree with you.

Post: #172

(04-29-2015 09:45 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 09:03 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  It sounds like what you're describing is being in charge of you life
and living happily on your own terms.

If that's an "Alpha" state of mind, then Beta would the opposite:
living a life you have no control over and not being very happy.

Besides that, and doing your best to improve your life/situation,
I don't really see Alpha and Beta labels being that helpful.

+ Alpha is always trying to be in charge in any kind of relationship with a woman (works also in same-sex relationships)

+ Alpha is the one party which not only is trying to call the shots, but is very hard to control

Those are the main uniform definitions of it - plus it makes a difference whether you are Red Pill or Blue Pill and whether you know and use Game or not - better put whether Game has become part of your being.

Then Red Pill Alpha with Game is on a completely different ball-level. Very few men are like that "naturally".

Equating it with happiness or or control in life does not even make sense.

Ok. That sounds like a very difficult person who wants to boss people around. If that's what you want. The downside is that it can strain many of your relationships with people and eventually make them resistant to you.

There are many ways you can influence people and have healthy relationships without being a drill sergeant.

It's only when you have to rely on other people's compassion
that Alpha/Beta Red Pill Blue Pill makes less sense.

lol Imagine being in a nursing home when you're 80 and giving your nurse that attitude...

Post: #173

(04-29-2015 11:51 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  It's only when you have to rely on other people's compassion
that Alpha/Beta Red Pill Blue Pill makes less sense.

lol Imagine being in a nursing home when you're 80 and giving your nurse that attitude...

Your perceptions on the Alpha state are completely off and point to the fact that you haven't read much on the subject:

http://therationalmale.com/?s=Alpha

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/?s=Alpha

Your comments seem to also move towards Anti-Game, Game denialism and denying the very precepts of the 'sphere.
Where the fuck do you take the idea that I want to dominate everyone and Alpha does that? This literally makes no sense at all. It's as if logic is suspended and when I say Alpha you get triggered into some kind of state where you equate it with terror, domination, submission of everyone around.

Post: #174

(04-29-2015 12:04 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 11:51 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  It's only when you have to rely on other people's compassion
that Alpha/Beta Red Pill Blue Pill makes less sense.

lol Imagine being in a nursing home when you're 80 and giving your nurse that attitude...

Your perceptions on the Alpha state are completely off and point to the fact that you haven't read much on the subject:

http://therationalmale.com/?s=Alpha

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/?s=Alpha

Your comments seem to also move towards Anti-Game, Game denialism and denying the very precepts of the 'sphere.
Where the fuck do you take the idea that I want to dominate everyone and Alpha does that? This literally makes no sense at all. It's as if logic is suspended and when I say Alpha you get triggered into some kind of state where you equate it with terror, domination, submission of everyone around.

Dude, I don't subscribe to most of that stuff. Personally you don't need it.
If that's what you want to follow then I'm happy for you. More power to you.

I agree with being your own man and making decisions for yourself. Being a leader and taking action when it's called for.

That's my philosophy.

Post: #175

(04-29-2015 11:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 12:30 PM)Fortis Wrote:  If alpha was always genetic then this site wouldn't exist.

But there is a new alpha. Most of the alphas who act on instinct are locked up. New society doesn't encourage men to be men. We have to learn the new alpha to prevent ourselves from getting snagged by a system that discourages traditional alpha.

Somewhere I read that Nerds rule the world, isn't this true?

Moma, you misunderstood my point.

If alpha was ONLY genetic then there would be no way to develop it, but we know this is not the case. Men can change themselves for the better by following examples and guidelines.

Otherwise I agree with you.

Are we truly developing alpha or just coaxing it out? We are who we are from birth. Nature vs nurture.