Post: #1

Recent comments from head of UKIP Nigel Farage about immigration to UK:

Nigel Farage: immigrants from India and Australia better than eastern Europeans

Quote:Nigel Farage has said he would prefer immigrants from India and Australia to eastern Europeans, despite previously claiming his party would not want to discriminate against new arrivals by nationality.

The Ukip leader indicated he would prefer immigration from countries he said had the most similar cultures to the UK as he was grilled about his approach to immigration during the latest BBC Leader interview broadcast on Wednesday evening.

Asked by presenter Evan Davis whether he would favour immigrants from some countries over others, he said: “I have to confess I do have a slight preference. I do think, naturally, that people from India and Australia are in some ways more likely to speak English, understand common law and have a connection with this country than some people that come perhaps from countries that haven’t fully recovered from being behind the iron curtain.”

In the past, Farage has always claimed to be the only party leader with a “non-discriminatory” policy on immigration as Ukip would not give preference to EU migrants over those from the rest of the world.

Last year, he told LBC: “I actually want us to have an immigration policy that is non-discriminatory, because at the moment we discriminate in favour of people from Poland, or Romania, or Bulgaria, regardless [of] who they are, and we discriminate against people from New Zealand … or from India, or Canada, or whatever else it may be. We’ve got our, I think, our priorities completely wrong here. And we should not be discriminating on grounds of nationality.”

What would you do if you were in his shoes?

Post: #2

Quote:and we discriminate against people from New Zealand … or from India, or Canada, or whatever else it may be

One of these is not like the others. Nigel Farage has made a name for himself by hilarious and incisive attacks on the EU superstate, but he's clearly out of his depth on immigration if he thinks Indians from India belong in the same group as Aussies and Canucks rather than the "random thirld-world" group that contains countries like Vietnam, China, Nigeria etc.

Immigration from eastern Europe is infinitely preferable to that from India, and not just because the women are much hotter. I don't really think that Farage is so stupid as to seriously think otherwise. What I think he's trying to say is the UK should seek out immigrants from its cultural and ethnic brothers in the Anglosphere, and that it makes no sense for a random Pole to have easier access to the UK than for an Australian, whose ancestors more than likely are 100% British. He threw in India in there simply so nobody could accuse him of racism for listing a bunch of exclusively white majority countries.

Post: #3

"What would you do if you were in his shoes?" - Hang myself.

The guy is just an alcoholic who attracts the dumbest and poorest part of the UK it seems.

Besides consider this: "Bulgarians and romanians" does not mean just the males from these countries it also means the chicks fom these two, consider this:

"Indian women are better than Bulgarian and Romanian women" - lol...that will be joke of the century.

Post: #4

He doesn't drink alcohol anymore bacardi.

You seem a little upset about Farage.

Post: #5

another race/immigration thread, just after the recent events.

Post: #6

Interestingly if you watch the interview you'll see he didn't actually say that. He said that personally he thinks immigrants from countries with more shared history and institutions with the UK are more likely to integrate well, and then he said (and this was omitted from the Guardian article) that in terms of policy it's irrelevant because he wants a skill-based points system which doesn't take nationality into account whatsoever.

Why the Guardian decided to blatantly misrepresent that statement shouldn't be much of a mystery to anyone. I thought the US media was bad, but the nonstop slime thrown at UKIP by the UK media over the past few weeks has been utterly astounding. I suppose that's what you can expect if you publicly question the dogma of multiculturalism.

Post: #7

Seems like he's in favor of letting in more people from the former Commonwealth Countries before those from other nations. I can see his point. There are some Indians who are more British than the Brits these days.

Post: #8

(04-22-2015 04:29 PM)DChambers Wrote:  Seems like he's in favor of letting in more people from the former Commonwealth Countries before those from other nations. I can see his point. There are some Indians who are more British than the Brits these days.

Undoubtedly there are. But they form a tiny, tiny minority of India's 1bn+ population. We've all seen the youtube videos and the economic statistics, and it's pretty obvious that aside from once having been colonized by the UK, India has little in common with fully modern nations like Australia and Canada. Just ask yourself where a Briton will feel more at ease: a third tier Eastern European city or a Calcutta slum?

What's more, the Indians who are "more British than the Brits" are precisely the ones who have no need to leave India and start anew in a foreign country.

Post: #9

(04-22-2015 04:21 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  He doesn't drink alcohol anymore bacardi.

You seem a little upset about Farage.

Good to hear he's battling his alcohol problem...he needs it if he happens to be their next PM.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck...I've never wanted to visit UK anyway. My one and only connection to the UK is already obvious: I am speaking their language (which happened due to me watching mike tyson interviews and listening to american music when i was a kid lol...). Other than that have a zero interest of visiting his country regardless of his desperate attempts to prove what a paradise the UK is.

I gotta admit though: he gets an unfair share of hate from the media. The Swedish, Dutch far-right are even more extreme but you never hear anything about them in the news...

Post: #10

This thread can only go in an undesired direction.

Post: #11

The subtle Indian hate in this thread is interdasting.

They're usually quite fine citizens in my American view. They start businesses, prize education, buy houses, raise families, raise polite and non-confrontational kids and generally stay out of trouble. I live in an affluent state, so I probably don't encounter the bad side of Indian immigration, but who wouldn't want more Indians in their country?

Post: #12

(04-22-2015 04:27 PM)Saga Wrote:  Interestingly if you watch the interview you'll see he didn't actually say that. He said that personally he thinks immigrants from countries with more shared history and institutions with the UK are more likely to integrate well, and then he said (and this was omitted from the Guardian article) that in terms of policy it's irrelevant because he wants a skill-based points system which doesn't take nationality into account whatsoever.

Why the Guardian decided to blatantly misrepresent that statement shouldn't be much of a mystery to anyone. I thought the US media was bad, but the nonstop slime thrown at UKIP by the UK media over the past few weeks has been utterly astounding. I suppose that's what you can expect if you publicly question the dogma of multiculturalism.

So, as typical, it's a complete media smear attack.

Post: #13

Tory outreach to affluent south Asians has been huge. The republicans fail so much in the US with that demographic in comparison. And I would say the indian-american community is richer than the british-indian community so it isn't an economics thing.

Post: #14

(04-22-2015 06:48 PM)Fortis Wrote:  The subtle Indian hate in this thread is interdasting.

They're usually quite fine citizens in my American view. They start businesses, prize education, buy houses, raise families, raise polite and non-confrontational kids and generally stay out of trouble. I live in an affluent state, so I probably don't encounter the bad side of Indian immigration, but who wouldn't want more Indians in their country?

I guess you're "subtly" accusing me of hating Indians. Nope. Dead wrong.

We're debating the following issue, which someone else started by creating this thread: is India in fact the better source of immigration to the UK than Eastern Europe.

My stance is that Eastern Europe is the better source. In order to support my point, I provided several arguments as to why India, despite having been part of the former British empire, is very different from other former members of said empire like Canada and Australia.

Are you saying that anyone who doesn't agree that Indians make better UK immigrants than Eastern Europeans hates Indians? Or, to put it another way, that the only acceptable opinion is that Indian immigrants> Eastern European immigrants?

I'm not really sure what value the not so subtle personal attack about "hating Indians" adds to the discussion.

Post: #15

Eddie,

I never said that Indians are better Immigrants than EE immigrants. I said that Indians tend to be great to have in a country for the reasons that I outlined. I even accounted for the fact that I don't know everything there is to know about Indian immigrants.

Post: #16

That's fine. Everyone can have their own opinion, and for what it's worth I agree that in my personal experience, Indians born in the US tend to do well economically and don't cause any violent crime. What didn't sit well with me was your first comment, which seemed to accuse persons unnamed of "hating Indians." I just wanted to set the record straight on that count.

Post: #17

This thread isn’t about race, it’s about culture, fitting in and success. Indians have been living in the UK for a long time now and are very successful. That’s probably why Farage wants them. They’re part of the British fabric now.

There’s a saying “Indians can succeed everywhere except India”. Indians tend to do well no matter where they end up in the world, as do the Chinese.

(04-22-2015 04:39 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Undoubtedly there are. But they form a tiny, tiny minority of India's 1bn+ population. We've all seen the youtube videos and the economic statistics, and it's pretty obvious that aside from once having been colonized by the UK, India has little in common with fully modern nations like Australia and Canada. Just ask yourself where a Briton will feel more at ease: a third tier Eastern European city or a Calcutta slum?

The Briton isn’t moving to India – the Indian is moving to UK. A Calcutta slum kid won’t make it out of Calcutta, let alone all the way to the UK.

(04-22-2015 06:56 PM)floor7 Wrote:  Tory outreach to affluent south Asians has been huge. The republicans fail so much in the US with that demographic in comparison. And I would say the indian-american community is richer than the british-indian community so it isn't an economics thing.

True, I'm a British-Indian and I've got some rich relatives in the UK, but my Indian-American relatives are way richer on average. The Republicans tend to appeal towards a more evangelical Christian base, and this is a big turn off for most Indian-Americans, who tend to be Hindu or Sikh.

(04-22-2015 07:01 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  My stance is that Eastern Europe is the better source. In order to support my point, I provided several arguments as to why India, despite having been part of the former British empire, is very different from other former members of said empire like Canada and Australia.

There is no relationship between what’s going on in India with how Indians do outside of India. It’s not possible to accurately compare a billion people in India with 30 million in the Indian diaspora. For all countries, the people who emigrate are not representative of the people from the host country – e.g. Chinese women in China are way hotter than Chinese-Americans.

My extended family is from shithole villages in India. They’re all doing pretty well now and some are millionaires. The Indians who live in the US tend to come on H1-B professional visa and are even richer than the ones in UK.

Everybody has to come from somewhere.

Post: #18

This is all just a part of his "EU is bad, Commonwealth is good" rhetoric.

It's not really about the individual nations per se I don't think.

Post: #19

Quote: I'm a British-Indian

Quote:...."immigrants from India and Australia better than eastern Europeans"

nice topic

Post: #20

As far as I remember, India's population rises 100 million per decade. The UK's population with some of the least productive women in the world currently stands around 70 million.

No matter how much we have to pretend that Indians are automatically 'better' than Eastern Europeans to avoid race hate laws, a barrel of wine does not fit into a 70cl bottle.

Post: #21

This guy is a moron! He should be railing against Somalis and Pakistanis, not Eastern Europeans.

Post: #22

(04-23-2015 02:11 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  This guy is a moron! He should be railing against Somalis and Pakistanis, not Eastern Europeans.

His reason d'être is having an anti-eu stance.

For the average voter, "their" working class job is more likely to be filled by an Eastern European than a Somali/Pakistani.

Also, as they are white too it makes it harder for the media to pin the "racist" tag on him.

Post: #23

Farage has to do better on immigration policy if he wants my vote.

UNLIMITED immigration for slim, attractive, single women.
- A panel of men will assess their photos, which will be as tightly regulated as passports, no duckface or myspace angles to hide fatness.
- BMI limits apply, with regular health checks providing advice on nutrition and portion control for those who slip.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #24

"(Today 02:11 AM) Handsome Creepy Eel [69]
This guy is a moron! He should be railing against Somalis and Pakistanis, not Eastern Europeans."

Farage is railing against these groups but in a very clever way. The UKIP points based immigration policy will only let in a maximum of 50,000 per year and according to the quality of worker/ professional that the UK requires at the time. Thus unskilled, non English speaking Somalis and Pakistanis would not be allowed in. But qualified, skilled, useful people from Australia, Canada, India etc will get in. And only up to 50,000 per year. Far better than 400,000- 500,000 gross per annum the UK has suffered under since the Bliar government.

This is not about race, this is about smaller numbers and higher quality. England is already one of the most crowded countries in the world. This situation is simply unsustainable.

And yes , Hindu, Sikh and Christian Indians have been coming to the UK in modest numbers for decades, integrating and doing very well. It's the uncontrollable EU migration , the illegal immigration and "assylum" across open EU borders that is the real problem.

Post: #25

(04-23-2015 04:17 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  "(Today 02:11 AM) Handsome Creepy Eel [69]
This is not about race, this is about smaller numbers and higher quality. England is already one of the most crowded countries in the world. This situation is simply unsustainable.

And yes , Hindu, Sikh and Christian Indians have been coming to the UK in modest numbers for decades, integrating and doing very well. It's the uncontrollable EU migration , the illegal immigration and "assylum" across open EU borders that is the real problem.

Exactly.

I dont understand the hate for India and Indians either, anyone who's lived here can see that people from India have integrated well in our society and in many other societies in the world. While 28,000 romanians have been arrested in the last 5 years here. 92% of atm robberies in london have been from Romanian street gangs. I think comparing hotness of women is ridiculous, especially as its mostly men that immigrate.

I don't think anyone's suggesting we should have an open door to India like we do to eastern europe either.

Anyway, you could have posted this in the UK elections thread, rather than starting a thread trying to imply that "someone is a racist, what do you all think about that?" after it seems many here don't want to talk about issues like that at all.