Post: #1

Okay guys, this post may digress into a bit of a rant, but I'm curious to hear more advanced players take on things.

Simply put, how much of your success with gaming women is dependent on your location, in other words have you reached a level of game where you can go virtually anywhere and pull quality consistently?

Now the rant part, I ask this because I live in a small college town, where I am becoming increasing frustrated with not only the quality of women, but also their availability, attitudes, etc.

I know, a college town sounds like a goldmine, and I am not going to deny that there are some cute girls around, but this isn't southern cali or even the bay area, there are virtually no women in the 9-10 range, the average women in the 18-32 demographic would probably rank in the 4-5 range.

What's possibly even worse, is that most cute girls tend to get locked up by dudes in long term relationships, and either are faithful or act like self-entitled bitches and cheat on their BF's. The girls that remain largely in the 5-7 range act like they're the hottest shit, and you have this phenomenon where girls who are 6's literally act like they are 9's.

Hypergamy (girls trying to be players and "date up") is in full effect. This town/county is full of thirsty dudes, simply due to the lack of quality, attractive females, the single women out there act like they're celebrities or some shit, because they can pick and choose from a long line of thirsty dudes that will give them all the attention and validation they could ever possibly want.

So I'm left trying to game in the trenches, going to bars where there are 4 to 1 guys to girls ratios, dealing with fat ugly cockblocking friends, girls who are 6's but think they are Kim Kardashians long lost twin.

I'd like to think my game is pretty good, I've had a decent bit of success, I've read shit tons of books/stuff online, got the theory, and the mechanics of it all down. Most of my approaches hook and it's like every weekend I collect phone numbers and makeouts, but usually it either leads to blueballs, or girls that flake, or tell me they have a serious BF after the fact.

I'm starting to question if it's all just me, and I'm not a decent as I think I am, or if it really is just my location and environment.

I know Roosh has a bit of a chip on his shoulder for having to "carry the encyclopedia of game on his shoulders just to hook up with 7's", but at least he was in a city of a half million people with hundreds of venues to run through.

Eventually, I'll need to end this chapter of my life, and start a new somewhere like San Francisco, Portland, Austin, or LA, and then I think I will really find out where my games at.

Post: #2

Portland is chock-full of the girls you describe. The saving grace is that it's a big enough pond to where there are legit 8-10's to balance it out (as well as foreigners). In fact, the type of game you're running where you are will help immensely in Portland/Seattle. Sausagefests are a huge issue here. However, the male population is completely beta. You will never see any dudes pulling proper day game, and only occasionally at night. Women constantly complain about how pussified the men are, so even just being normal and approaching gives you gigantic ups.

Post: #3

Get a muscular body.
Go to strip club.
Get her putting her hands on you.
Close.

Outside of the Vegas Rhino, Seattle has the best strip clubs I've ever been to. Never been to Toronto or Portland, though.

Post: #4

Sounds like you live in the burbs outside of DC with me. I honestly had to start driving 30+ minutes and just get away from where I was. Kills my logistics, but its better then sitting at a bar alone with absolutely no want to talk to any of the sewer skunks in the area.

I've also moved back to internet game as well, 8+ is rare online if your town already sucks, but there's plenty of 7s out there just waiting for a guy who isn't a creepy loser

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Post: #5

Sounds like you are in the mud my man. Whats stopping you from packing up and moving to a new city?

Post: #6

Time to move bro. Location is everything. Of course, you will have to adjust your Game to fit your new surroundings. Roosh says he barely uses "negs" in Poland right?

Post: #7

location is CRUCIAL

living in big city or even better near the nightclub scene makes it almost impossible to meet average women unless it's conscious decision. the next step is to have connections giving access to the best venues 7 days a week where lots of hot women hang out

Post: #8

Looks like mini-DCs are sprouting everywhere. The future of America, behold!

(09-30-2011 10:42 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  Roosh says he barely uses "negs" in Poland right?

Correct. Cool guy game is enough.

Post: #9

In a more general discussion - it seems to me, at least where I'm living, that all the guys accept these fatsos seeing multiple dudes. These guys are happy to get laid, so most of them will accept some other guy's sloppy seconds.

Girls just KNOW they have the upper hand, and if you play tough and kick a skank to the curve if she's dating multiple guys, you need jedi-like power to destroy her will to fuck other dudes.

If most guys were firm and didn't sell out - refuse to fuck girls who dated multiple guys, then it would force compliance. Instead, the betas sell out and you have 6's and 7's seeing 2-4 guys at once. They don't need you or your cock - all you have left is your irresistably charming alpha personality, which many of them frankly don't really care for when they can get plenty of attention elsewhere. Only when they want to get married at which point their labia will be looser and more flappy than the star-spangled banner.

It's a struggle. Luckily, there are still quite a few good/cool girls around - but just as many unattractive girls have misplaced confidence that their pussy is a prize.

Post: #10

(10-02-2011 09:33 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  In a more general discussion - it seems to me, at least where I'm living, that all the guys accept these fatsos seeing multiple dudes. These guys are happy to get laid, so most of them will accept some other guy's sloppy seconds.

Girls just KNOW they have the upper hand, and if you play tough and kick a skank to the curve if she's dating multiple guys, you need jedi-like power to destroy her will to fuck other dudes.

If most guys were firm and didn't sell out - refuse to fuck girls who dated multiple guys, then it would force compliance. Instead, the betas sell out and you have 6's and 7's seeing 2-4 guys at once. They don't need you or your cock - all you have left is your irresistably charming alpha personality, which many of them frankly don't really care for when they can get plenty of attention elsewhere. Only when they want to get married at which point their labia will be looser and more flappy than the star-spangled banner.

It's a struggle. Luckily, there are still quite a few good/cool girls around - but just as many unattractive girls have misplaced confidence that their pussy is a prize.

This. Exactly. Very well articulated my friend.

Post: #11

@ OGNorcal: Like many others suggested, time to change the Fish bowl where swim, Simple but might not be easy ........

@ El-jefe: Excellent point raised , what do you do when there is a plethora of Beta chodes giving girls all the attention they want, It's a fact that women like attention like men like Sex.

Yes applying the principles of Game , Staying Alpha, not becoming a pussy worshiper and give attention only sparingly is the only way to attract these attention seeking 6's .

Feminization of males and the abundance of them available to girls who give them all the attention hurts and helps us both, May be hurt us more.....

I want some of the senior players to shed light , may be start a separate thread and tell us how to capitalize in this situation.....

Post: #12

(10-02-2011 09:33 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  If most guys were firm and didn't sell out - refuse to fuck girls who dated multiple guys, then it would force compliance. Instead, the betas sell out and you have 6's and 7's seeing 2-4 guys at once. They don't need you or your cock - all you have left is your irresistably charming alpha personality, which many of them frankly don't really care for when they can get plenty of attention elsewhere. Only when they want to get married at which point their labia will be looser and more flappy than the star-spangled banner.

....What if the tables were turned and guys were able to bang as many girls as they wanted due to male scarcity...

Should the girls be firm and only sleep with guys who will commit to them in a long term relationship ??

OGNorCal707 Wrote:how much of your success with gaming women is dependent on your location, in other words have you reached a level of game where you can go virtually anywhere and pull quality consistently?

This is rare. Every man loosely or accurately fits a category, not every woman likes that category.

Get in where you fit in.

Post: #13

(10-02-2011 09:28 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Looks like mini-DCs are sprouting everywhere. The future of America, behold!

Thats a terrifying concept. Must. Leave. This. Place.

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Post: #14

(10-02-2011 09:28 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Looks like mini-DCs are sprouting everywhere. The future of America, behold!

(09-30-2011 10:42 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  Roosh says he barely uses "negs" in Poland right?

Correct. Cool guy game is enough.

negs? is this some kind of bad joke? i can't imagine someone using negs to attract a girl

Post: #15

OGNorcal -

"How much of success with game is location dependent?"

I touch on this subject all the time, and I can tell you it is HUGE.

It is probably the most important aspect of "The Game" for me. And I am talking about huge "swoop" swings even between places like Southern California and South Florida.

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2011/08/cal...yboys.html

(Way more than) half the battle is putting yourself where you are inspired, there are fly girls everywhere and the type of girls that are attracted to you.

Post: #16

(10-02-2011 05:29 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  (Way more than) half the battle is putting yourself where you are inspired, there are fly girls everywhere and the type of girls that are attracted to you.

G can you elaborate more of your insight on this please? About feeling inspired in the location and the type of girls that are attracted to you. I find this also to be a HUGE game changer.

For example in the UK in many locations especially during the day I have to really summon energy reserves to become highly motivated sometimes. However recently when I was in Madrid, approaching was like breathing - my energy was tenfold, partly due to the fact my ideal type is a Mediterranean looking chick.

Also what about the kind of feedback you get on girls attracted to you and the deciding factors regarding this?

Post: #17

El jefe that is a great post! These faggot captain save a ho betas are making it harder for us. All I can recommend is not to give up and don't ever become one of them.

Post: #18

Location is critical. With all respect due to the major warriors on this forum but I doubt any of them would be eating much if they were to be swooping in India or Pakistan which, according to my Indian brothers, isn't really fertile lizard territory.

Post: #19

I can relate...I'm in a similar situation like Chad, where every weekend night it's a question of either going out local and dealing with a slow scene or driving to DC and fighting weak logistics in exchange for plenty of options.

Going back to the original question, I've definitely done better at certain venues, especially when stuck at the local bars. When I first got into game there was a bar/lounge that got going on Wed. nights with cheap drafts, and I could count on it being busy with open girls each week.

People were there to mingle, and my first cold approach lays all came from there...then they closed down, and nowhere around town has worked as well since. Not surprisingly, this place had a similar atmosphere to a DC bar, lighting and all...though without the $8 mixed drinks.

It sounds like your local scene has some of the same challenges that I deal with. I bet that there's still one or two bars that gets a crowd that would work for you, it's just a matter of finding when they come out.

For example, one bar here is usually dead except when they throw dance parties...then they randomly fill up with girls that I never see anywhere else around town. It's worth checking around for events or drink specials that will get girls out, and capitalize on them by getting to the bar early before the sausage hordes descend.

Post: #20

(10-03-2011 12:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  Location is critical. With all respect due to the major warriors on this forum but I doubt any of them would be eating much if they were to be swooping in India or Pakistan which, according to my Indian brothers, isn't really fertile lizard territory.

Many years ago I lived in the middle east. My next post on this forum.

How to swoop sexy abaya girls?

Post: #21

(10-02-2011 05:37 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

(10-02-2011 05:29 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  (Way more than) half the battle is putting yourself where you are inspired, there are fly girls everywhere and the type of girls that are attracted to you.

G can you elaborate more of your insight on this please? About feeling inspired in the location and the type of girls that are attracted to you. I find this also to be a HUGE game changer.

For example in the UK in many locations especially during the day I have to really summon energy reserves to become highly motivated sometimes. However recently when I was in Madrid, approaching was like breathing - my energy was tenfold, partly due to the fact my ideal type is a Mediterranean looking chick.

Also what about the kind of feedback you get on girls attracted to you and the deciding factors regarding this?

I think you kind of answered your own question (where I bolded above).

As far as: "Also what about the kind of feedback you get on girls attracted to you and the deciding factors regarding this?"

I think it depends on the individual.

As an example:

In LA I do pretty good with girls but have to work way less in Miami Beach for equal to better quality (and more youth).

I think this is because your "average" girl in Miami Beach is very attracted to the "Young, Dashing, Custom Suited, Half Spanish/Half Irish, International Playboy, Cigarette in Mouth, Mysterious type". Which really works in my favor, because I personify that style to a "T".

LA girls on "average", because Hollywood does not give them a reference point for the above type, aren't necessarily attracted to the "Young, Dashing, Custom Suited, Half Spanish/Half Irish, International Playboy, Cigarette in Mouth, Mysterious type".

In, LA girls might be really attracted to a dork in skinny jeans, messy hair and weesh tattoos.

Because pop culture and the mall sold that to them.

I am out of luck in those cases.

This is going to vary from person to person obviously.

Post: #22

North Philadelphia. Similar to a lot of places in the northeast. Young college white kids mixed right in with young "on the corner" black/brown kids. You hear a daily barrage on the news and from word of mouth of violent shit happening, mostly from YBM's. From rapes to homicides to bad dates and aggro dudes. All that generally makes girls apprehensive about dating ANYBODY, but I think that educated non-thug YBM's have it particularly harder because they get lumped in with the group of thug YBM's for shit that's got NOTHING to do with you at all. Even though they've got more education and income than a lot of white males in the area, they still have to work harder and therefore get a less rate of return for their efforts that say a white guy living with his parents in college with no job/money. Plus, from my experience living in the NE all my life, a lot of the blue collar white guys don't like seeing more successful non-white guys make it, and especially making with their daughter. So in a sick way, it's easier dating wise to be a thug in Philly with a short life span than being an educated upwardly mobile YBM.

This is what I tell my family every time they ask why I don't come home. I live in Europe and just don't have to deal with this bullshit, at least not on the scale that I did in the northeast. But the men in my family say that's a weak argument. That game is game, and no matter where you are you should be able to pull what you want. Even if it's the lilly white pussy that's frankly scared to death of YBM's in Philly. So it doesn't matter if you're in a dark club in South Street surrounded by racist Italian guys, or a dark intersection in North Philly, if you talk to the snow bunny and can't get her, then there' something wrong with YOUR game. All the controversy be damned. All the facts be damned. All the racial differences be damned. If you can't consistantly score what you want (in my case, 19 - 24 yo thin white/asian girls) then it's something wrong with YOU, not the location.

Sorry but I just don't buy that. I'm so fucking happy in Europe it really is scary. I think that it can't possibly stay this good for too long. Something bad has to happen right?? lol. Winters are great and summers are better. I have true homeboys here that are not fake at all. If something is wrong they say it right then and there, not be passive aggressive about it. There's no segregation at resturants like I saw on the east coast. And black/white women could give a fuck about seeing an IR date. The only time I don't enjoy Europe is when I have to go on base and interact with Americans.

So yes, location matters 100% I'd say. Or, how well can you ignore the hard racial realities around you. If you turn Ray Charles to that bullshit, then yes you can do better in places like North Philly than a lot of others, but I'm still clearing more pussy and better looking pussy in Europe w/o even trying. So at the end of the day, that's all that matters I guess.

Post: #23

Like Gio always says, "Find your fishbowl."

Post: #24

Whoever tells you that they banging the same good quality everywhere they go, they lying.

If i was to leave london today and go visit Leeds or Nottingham for few days, im sure i will be banging girls that here in London wont even give me their numbers. Im specifically talking blonde white chicks with really nice bodies (latina type of body). These girls hardly ever see good looking black men. However in London, im not really a novelty. There are thousands of guys just like myself here and they approach a lot (not as much as NY cats). Also, London is way bigger, more crimes, more competition, people wont trust you easily, all these factors contribute to high bitch shields. This all changes when i go to other cities, i fuck chicks that i dont even fuck in London. And guess what, that rings true for every G that i have ever run with.

If i have to put triple work to fuck lots of quality girls in one city, i may just get a fuckbuddy and relax. This is what im currently doing in London. I prefer to put hard work for other cities where i know i will be fucking super girls.


Location is very very very important. Its almost everything.

Post: #25

If you live in Alaska or North Dakota? its going to suck...

If you live in LA or NYC its pretty kool

If you work as a bartender, its going to be easy to meet young attractive women

If you work as a computer programmer its going to be easy to meet nerdy men

If you go to University of Alaska, your female option is limited

If you go to NYU in NYC your option are vast and wide

Whats the point of having good game if you don't have any opportunity....

Theres a big difference taking a half court shot versus a layup....

I prefer taking high percentage shots