(05-09-2019 01:02 PM)Horus Wrote: (05-09-2019 11:35 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote: Yeah, I remember the mass graves of the great Chickenpox die-offs.
Funeral pyres reaching into the night sky and bulldozers pushing steaming piles of bones into vast pits. Walls covered in photos of missing loves ones. Entire cities walled off and ringed with attack helicopters and machine guns.
#NeverForget
It feels like I'm taking crazy pills when I read about immoral idiotic parents who refuse to vaccinate and whose children end up getting chicken pox and measles. I got chicken pox and measles when I was a kid, as did most of my friends. It was almost a relief for parents when we got it because it was known that once you got it, you develop immunity for life - better to get it as a kid than as an adult. It was no big deal - just a week or so off school. In extremely rare cases, you heard of kids admitted to hospital for a couple of days, but I never heard of anyone dying from it. I don't have enought knowledge to have an opinion on anti-vax, and I would understand the objections if there were a sudden increase in polio or smallpox cases. But chicken pox and measles?
Mumps is the real bastard. I still remember the pain in my neck glands and even in my little (yet to drop) balls. Makes you go sterile apparently if you get it as an adult. I don't know. Just chatting shit here.
I got Chicken Pox twice, or was it three times? I got Measles twice as well. Or something like that. I know they say it's not possible, but something weird happened there. I really don't know.
Nothing polarises opinion more than the whole vac/anti-vac thing. I know a good reliable girl that rages against the anti-vaccers, because some unvacced kids in school got some other kids seriously ill and infected them.
My mind is very open on this. I'd be interested to hear Simeon's take on this. Did you ever drop that data sheet Dr. Strangelight? :-)
I don't have a horse in the race, or even a dog.
I will say though that a lot of those anti-vaccers (or wtf they are called) strike me as conspiritards. Losers in life that are just looking for a reason to kick out. Yeah, I know there are conspiracies, but lately I'm more in to debunking them. The pendulum swings.
I've been following one internet famous conspiracy and I mean to write it up at some point and do a thread. It's to do with satanic panic and satanic abuse, or rather, the total lack of it. And a few people making a semi-decent living off of youtube gibs and t-shirts and 'mugs'.
But again, this is a debate that polarises. Neither side fully looks at the facts, but one side is more right than the other, and the other 'more wrong' side, certainly more batshit crazy insane. Young kids being abused by their parents to say that they were abused by the former husband for custody. Youtube videos of young children talking dirty about this and that. About how they meet every Friday in a secret room at McDonalds to take the skin off babys that are shipped in via DHL so they can make shoes out of them! It's all out there. Internet death threats. I'll write it up but it's an ever changing target.
And the people who are on the side of right in that argument (there was no satanic abuse) are the most anti-trump anti-vacc people you could imagine. They are good people. Intelligent people. But they are blind in many areas. But then again they are right in so many areas as well.
It feels like I'm taking crazy pills
You aren't the only one.
Things aren't making much sense right now. There is much confusion in the air. The game of divide and conquer has been played for so long that few of us even know how we are being played any more or even how we are being conquered.
It's ok to be confused in a post-truth society. Well, not OK, as such, but no shame in being a bit disorientated.
My head is spinning.
But at least it's not the pox or the measles or, thank fuck, the mumps.
If you have kids you are supposed to take them to a 'mumps party' or something. Not sure if they vaccinate against it. Do they have chicken pox or measles parties? Just asking. :-)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party
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I know I could google it, but where's the fun in that.
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I did just google it.
Every day is a Pox party on planet earth!
Simeon, if you are reading, I realise a data sheet like this is a mammoth undertaking. You've probably even got 3/4 of it finished but not quite ready to go. I appreciate that. But any snippets or bits you could throw out would be good. Not too deep. Light reading for the moment.
At the moment I'm concentrating on the most divisive and deeply polarising debates I can get my hands on. I find that this is where the 'best' information is. Just like the 'God' debate. Just like the 'Gun' debate. This whole vaccination thing just seems to bring out those people who just 'know the truth'.
Then again, maybe I'm not clever enough to begin to understand it even if it was explained to me in plain language.
I know that the pharma companies and all that don't have our best interests at heart. I know that the body heals itself and nature finds its own way, whether that be by survival of the fittest or the culling of the most genetically 'weak'. I know that people are dumb and easily led. I know the issues are complex and not so simplistic as vac-bad/anti-vac-good. I know there are contradictions on both sides.
I'm kind of interested in this again because I got a chest infection for a couple of weeks that just won't budge - it's not a cold or flu. That and what with all the Ebola kicking off in the Congo again.
Just thank fuck I don't have the mumps!
Life can always be worse...