(12-01-2013 03:52 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)Dejan Wrote:  Hi everybody, finally after 20 days of waiting to be registered I got a chance to thank to ALL OF YOU (and you know who you are) for providing valuable information for all of as who are considering going to the Oil Sands.
Special THANX to Scotian (Brother, if our paths ever cross I'll pay for all you can eat and drink in one night. It is a promise. You deserve it)
Now my questions.
I have an Electrical Engineering Technician Diploma, acquired here in Ontario where I live. Also I have 12 years of experience working as an Industrial Electrician (Note: I'm not a licensed Journeyman Electrician, just a technician). My Q is: what are my chances of getting hired as an Electrical apprentice or an Instrumentation tech. apprentice, and how much those apprentices make?
Any info is appreciated.
P.S. SWEARBOX if you see this post please give some info about your apprenticeship since you are fresh in the instrumentation field

I'd say with your experience and education, you should be able to find work in Alberta without too much hassle. First year apprentices generally make about $18-22, depending on the company if you get a union job. Callup some electrical companies and see what they have to say, I've listed plenty throughout the thread but off the top of my head I know of Tarpon Energy Services, Chemco and all the the big contractors such as PCL, Kiewit, FT Services, JV Driver, Ledcor, etc.

Things are slow right now, generally December until March is the slowest part of the year unless you get on with a company that's involved in drilling or oil field services but it sounds like you want to get on the refinery/oil sands type of gigs at the big refineries and upgraders.

(12-01-2013 03:16 PM)Kdog Wrote:  Swearbox was banhammered.

That sucks!

Hi guys...got the boot a couple of weeks ago after posting my thoughts on another thread...someone musta took me for a troll and reported me...I was gone the next day. I re-registered and I pm'd Roosh earlier tonight to ask for the ban to be overturned. I didn't come here to upset folks so any help getting reinstated (ie pm's to Roosh vouching for me) would be much appreciated, I need to re-read the tail end of the thread to get the gist of the conversation before I reply specifically about the apprenticeship thing. Hopefully I get reinstated....anyways, thanks for thinking of me

Swearbox (aka RCS)

(12-02-2013 10:39 PM)RCS Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:52 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)Dejan Wrote:  Hi everybody, finally after 20 days of waiting to be registered I got a chance to thank to ALL OF YOU (and you know who you are) for providing valuable information for all of as who are considering going to the Oil Sands.
Special THANX to Scotian (Brother, if our paths ever cross I'll pay for all you can eat and drink in one night. It is a promise. You deserve it)
Now my questions.
I have an Electrical Engineering Technician Diploma, acquired here in Ontario where I live. Also I have 12 years of experience working as an Industrial Electrician (Note: I'm not a licensed Journeyman Electrician, just a technician). My Q is: what are my chances of getting hired as an Electrical apprentice or an Instrumentation tech. apprentice, and how much those apprentices make?
Any info is appreciated.
P.S. SWEARBOX if you see this post please give some info about your apprenticeship since you are fresh in the instrumentation field

I'd say with your experience and education, you should be able to find work in Alberta without too much hassle. First year apprentices generally make about $18-22, depending on the company if you get a union job. Callup some electrical companies and see what they have to say, I've listed plenty throughout the thread but off the top of my head I know of Tarpon Energy Services, Chemco and all the the big contractors such as PCL, Kiewit, FT Services, JV Driver, Ledcor, etc.

Things are slow right now, generally December until March is the slowest part of the year unless you get on with a company that's involved in drilling or oil field services but it sounds like you want to get on the refinery/oil sands type of gigs at the big refineries and upgraders.

(12-01-2013 03:16 PM)Kdog Wrote:  Swearbox was banhammered.

That sucks!

Hi guys...got the boot a couple of weeks ago after posting my thoughts on another thread...someone musta took me for a troll and reported me...I was gone the next day. I re-registered and I pm'd Roosh earlier tonight to ask for the ban to be overturned. I didn't come here to upset folks so any help getting reinstated (ie pm's to Roosh vouching for me) would be much appreciated, I need to re-read the tail end of the thread to get the gist of the conversation before I reply specifically about the apprenticeship thing. Hopefully I get reinstated....anyways, thanks for thinking of me

Swearbox (aka RCS)

Unfortunately RVF has a policy that once you're banned, you can't re-register as a new member, so you can expect to be re-banned under your new username, if the mods find out, hopefully they don't. You should send me a PM with your e-mail and maybe I can post updates from "Swearbox" for this thread since your experience in Fort McMurray is of interest to a lot of us. If you do get banned again, just sign in with another username and lay low, and stop making fun off guys in the anti-masturbation thread haha, that was damn funny Swearbox!

Apparently Rosstan was banned too, what they hell happened there? Can't say I miss the smiley faces though.

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)Dejan Wrote:  Hi everybody, finally after 20 days of waiting to be registered I got a chance to thank to ALL OF YOU (and you know who you are) for providing valuable information for all of as who are considering going to the Oil Sands.
Special THANX to Scotian (Brother, if our paths ever cross I'll pay for all you can eat and drink in one night. It is a promise. You deserve it)
Now my questions.
I have an Electrical Engineering Technician Diploma, acquired here in Ontario where I live. Also I have 12 years of experience working as an Industrial Electrician (Note: I'm not a licensed Journeyman Electrician, just a technician). My Q is: what are my chances of getting hired as an Electrical apprentice or an Instrumentation tech. apprentice, and how much those apprentices make?
Any info is appreciated.
P.S. SWEARBOX if you see this post please give some info about your apprenticeship since you are fresh in the instrumentation field

Hi there Dejan,

I can't speak as a seasoned oil sands veteran as I've only been here since the beginning of October but I'll tell you how things are where I'm at. With your credentials you shouldn't have much of an issue getting indentured and you could probably challenge the first two years and come in as a third year at the very least but that's just my thoughts - I'm sure there are other better qualified guys on here who might be able to add (or take away) from that.

The first yr apprentices are getting $26.55/hr where I'm at and it's roughly a $5 gap between each yr as you go up the scale. J Men are on $44 which is fairly low for Fort Mac. I know for a fact that if you apply to ClearStream to the Nexen Long Lake project you would probably get hired on, either as electrical or instruments as we still aren't fully crewed up as lots of people have already quit and gone elsewhere for various reasons, mostly involving pay.

Beware though...it's unlikely you will learn much (at Long Lake) as the leccies only ever seem to do heat trace work (monitoring/removal & replacement) and the odd motor hook up here and there.

Us instrument guys have mainly been doing gas detector calibration with a couple of level transmitter replacements and I also got involved in removing a thermo well from the top of a vessel of some sort.

We have had a LOT of arse time so far since I joined but it's starting to pick up a bit. The guys who live in Fort Mac get $1000 a month (taxed) Northern Living Allowance and also we get a $10k signing on bonus after 3 months (to be paid back if you quit in the first yr, 50% back if you quit in yr 2 and 25% back if you quit in yr 3). The $1k a month doesn't go far in Fort Mac as most guys I know are stumping up $7-800 minimum a month for rent.

Dunno if the above covers what you are seeking to find out...if not then just ask away again and I'll see if I can answer your q. Good luck matey :-)

Swearbox (aka RCS)

(12-02-2013 10:55 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:39 PM)RCS Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:52 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)Dejan Wrote:  Hi everybody, finally after 20 days of waiting to be registered I got a chance to thank to ALL OF YOU (and you know who you are) for providing valuable information for all of as who are considering going to the Oil Sands.
Special THANX to Scotian (Brother, if our paths ever cross I'll pay for all you can eat and drink in one night. It is a promise. You deserve it)
Now my questions.
I have an Electrical Engineering Technician Diploma, acquired here in Ontario where I live. Also I have 12 years of experience working as an Industrial Electrician (Note: I'm not a licensed Journeyman Electrician, just a technician). My Q is: what are my chances of getting hired as an Electrical apprentice or an Instrumentation tech. apprentice, and how much those apprentices make?
Any info is appreciated.
P.S. SWEARBOX if you see this post please give some info about your apprenticeship since you are fresh in the instrumentation field

I'd say with your experience and education, you should be able to find work in Alberta without too much hassle. First year apprentices generally make about $18-22, depending on the company if you get a union job. Callup some electrical companies and see what they have to say, I've listed plenty throughout the thread but off the top of my head I know of Tarpon Energy Services, Chemco and all the the big contractors such as PCL, Kiewit, FT Services, JV Driver, Ledcor, etc.

Things are slow right now, generally December until March is the slowest part of the year unless you get on with a company that's involved in drilling or oil field services but it sounds like you want to get on the refinery/oil sands type of gigs at the big refineries and upgraders.

(12-01-2013 03:16 PM)Kdog Wrote:  Swearbox was banhammered.

That sucks!

Hi guys...got the boot a couple of weeks ago after posting my thoughts on another thread...someone musta took me for a troll and reported me...I was gone the next day. I re-registered and I pm'd Roosh earlier tonight to ask for the ban to be overturned. I didn't come here to upset folks so any help getting reinstated (ie pm's to Roosh vouching for me) would be much appreciated, I need to re-read the tail end of the thread to get the gist of the conversation before I reply specifically about the apprenticeship thing. Hopefully I get reinstated....anyways, thanks for thinking of me

Swearbox (aka RCS)

Unfortunately RVF has a policy that once you're banned, you can't re-register as a new member, so you can expect to be re-banned under your new username, if the mods find out, hopefully they don't. You should send me a PM with your e-mail and maybe I can post updates from "Swearbox" for this thread since your experience in Fort McMurray is of interest to a lot of us. If you do get banned again, just sign in with another username and lay low, and stop making fun off guys in the anti-masturbation thread haha, that was damn funny Swearbox!

Apparently Rosstan was banned too, what they hell happened there? Can't say I miss the smiley faces though.

Ah that blows...I already pm'd Roosh so he knows my new name...anyway I see loads of users who are posting who have their names scratched out and the word 'banned' beneath their name...what gives with that?

(12-02-2013 11:01 PM)RCS Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:55 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:39 PM)RCS Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:52 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)Dejan Wrote:  Hi everybody, finally after 20 days of waiting to be registered I got a chance to thank to ALL OF YOU (and you know who you are) for providing valuable information for all of as who are considering going to the Oil Sands.
Special THANX to Scotian (Brother, if our paths ever cross I'll pay for all you can eat and drink in one night. It is a promise. You deserve it)
Now my questions.
I have an Electrical Engineering Technician Diploma, acquired here in Ontario where I live. Also I have 12 years of experience working as an Industrial Electrician (Note: I'm not a licensed Journeyman Electrician, just a technician). My Q is: what are my chances of getting hired as an Electrical apprentice or an Instrumentation tech. apprentice, and how much those apprentices make?
Any info is appreciated.
P.S. SWEARBOX if you see this post please give some info about your apprenticeship since you are fresh in the instrumentation field

I'd say with your experience and education, you should be able to find work in Alberta without too much hassle. First year apprentices generally make about $18-22, depending on the company if you get a union job. Callup some electrical companies and see what they have to say, I've listed plenty throughout the thread but off the top of my head I know of Tarpon Energy Services, Chemco and all the the big contractors such as PCL, Kiewit, FT Services, JV Driver, Ledcor, etc.

Things are slow right now, generally December until March is the slowest part of the year unless you get on with a company that's involved in drilling or oil field services but it sounds like you want to get on the refinery/oil sands type of gigs at the big refineries and upgraders.

(12-01-2013 03:16 PM)Kdog Wrote:  Swearbox was banhammered.

That sucks!

Hi guys...got the boot a couple of weeks ago after posting my thoughts on another thread...someone musta took me for a troll and reported me...I was gone the next day. I re-registered and I pm'd Roosh earlier tonight to ask for the ban to be overturned. I didn't come here to upset folks so any help getting reinstated (ie pm's to Roosh vouching for me) would be much appreciated, I need to re-read the tail end of the thread to get the gist of the conversation before I reply specifically about the apprenticeship thing. Hopefully I get reinstated....anyways, thanks for thinking of me

Swearbox (aka RCS)

Unfortunately RVF has a policy that once you're banned, you can't re-register as a new member, so you can expect to be re-banned under your new username, if the mods find out, hopefully they don't. You should send me a PM with your e-mail and maybe I can post updates from "Swearbox" for this thread since your experience in Fort McMurray is of interest to a lot of us. If you do get banned again, just sign in with another username and lay low, and stop making fun off guys in the anti-masturbation thread haha, that was damn funny Swearbox!

Apparently Rosstan was banned too, what they hell happened there? Can't say I miss the smiley faces though.

Ah that blows...I already pm'd Roosh so he knows my new name...anyway I see loads of users who are posting who have their names scratched out and the word 'banned' beneath their name...what gives with that?

Roosh probably has his hands full at the moment as its the 1st of the month and due to recent controversy on his Return of Kings site, they were expecting a lot of trolls to sign up and shit all over the forum. Probably a good idea not to write him again and hopefully the mods just over look your profile and let you stay. It looks like you were banned for antagonizing some guys on another thread, the anti-fap one, which I think is a bit ridiculous too but there's a lot of guys on this forum who get their panties all in a knot when other guys razz them up a bit. RVF definitely isn't the same as being in the smoke pit of an oil sands site, some people are thinned skinned around here and will report posts to the mods, which is likely what happened to Rosstan, who I don't think should have been banned.

I'll say this though, if you're on this thread and someone says something that hurts your feelings and you report it to the mods then don't come out to the oil sands punk because you'll get eaten alive!

I thought I'll provide regular updates too after making the move here to Edmonton from Toronto. Working for the big red, we just had been under training for the past 3 weeks until today. Out of 30 guys brought on board for the winter projects, 24 of us were let go with the reason provided as slow season and cancelled contracts. So I'm kinda back to square one and will be cluster bombing my resume for the rest of the week.

The only way to look at it is that I got paid to get my tickets. Have been hitching rides with new co workers so far but now would have to get my own vehicle sooner than I planned. I wonder if the crunch is being felt across other oil and gas companies. Just a heads up guys that rental places are drying up too. So whoever is thinking of making the move, I'd reckon to be little prompt with their decision.

(12-02-2013 10:59 PM)RCS Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)Dejan Wrote:  Hi everybody, finally after 20 days of waiting to be registered I got a chance to thank to ALL OF YOU (and you know who you are) for providing valuable information for all of as who are considering going to the Oil Sands.
Special THANX to Scotian (Brother, if our paths ever cross I'll pay for all you can eat and drink in one night. It is a promise. You deserve it)
Now my questions.
I have an Electrical Engineering Technician Diploma, acquired here in Ontario where I live. Also I have 12 years of experience working as an Industrial Electrician (Note: I'm not a licensed Journeyman Electrician, just a technician). My Q is: what are my chances of getting hired as an Electrical apprentice or an Instrumentation tech. apprentice, and how much those apprentices make?
Any info is appreciated.
P.S. SWEARBOX if you see this post please give some info about your apprenticeship since you are fresh in the instrumentation field

Hi there Dejan,

I can't speak as a seasoned oil sands veteran as I've only been here since the beginning of October but I'll tell you how things are where I'm at. With your credentials you shouldn't have much of an issue getting indentured and you could probably challenge the first two years and come in as a third year at the very least but that's just my thoughts - I'm sure there are other better qualified guys on here who might be able to add (or take away) from that.

The first yr apprentices are getting $26.55/hr where I'm at and it's roughly a $5 gap between each yr as you go up the scale. J Men are on $44 which is fairly low for Fort Mac. I know for a fact that if you apply to ClearStream to the Nexen Long Lake project you would probably get hired on, either as electrical or instruments as we still aren't fully crewed up as lots of people have already quit and gone elsewhere for various reasons, mostly involving pay.

Beware though...it's unlikely you will learn much (at Long Lake) as the leccies only ever seem to do heat trace work (monitoring/removal & replacement) and the odd motor hook up here and there.

Us instrument guys have mainly been doing gas detector calibration with a couple of level transmitter replacements and I also got involved in removing a thermo well from the top of a vessel of some sort.

We have had a LOT of arse time so far since I joined but it's starting to pick up a bit. The guys who live in Fort Mac get $1000 a month (taxed) Northern Living Allowance and also we get a $10k signing on bonus after 3 months (to be paid back if you quit in the first yr, 50% back if you quit in yr 2 and 25% back if you quit in yr 3). The $1k a month doesn't go far in Fort Mac as most guys I know are stumping up $7-800 minimum a month for rent.

Dunno if the above covers what you are seeking to find out...if not then just ask away again and I'll see if I can answer your q. Good luck matey :-)

Swearbox (aka RCS)

Thank you Swearbox. That covers most of my questions :-).

(12-03-2013 12:39 AM)TO2AB Wrote:  I thought I'll provide regular updates too after making the move here to Edmonton from Toronto. Working for the big red, we just had been under training for the past 3 weeks until today. Out of 30 guys brought on board for the winter projects, 24 of us were let go with the reason provided as slow season and cancelled contracts. So I'm kinda back to square one and will be cluster bombing my resume for the rest of the week.

The only way to look at it is that I got paid to get my tickets. Have been hitching rides with new co workers so far but now would have to get my own vehicle sooner than I planned. I wonder if the crunch is being felt across other oil and gas companies. Just a heads up guys that rental places are drying up too. So whoever is thinking of making the move, I'd reckon to be little prompt with their decision.

Yeah the same thing for me. I got a job at another Well Testing company and they are slow as well. Today i got a call that all contracts got cancelled until the end of the year. Tomorrow i start applying again. It's extremely slow everywhere what i heard. It really sucks.

Seems as if the whole oil sands thing has gotten a healthy dose of overhype here on rooshv, now it's time for a reality check !

(12-03-2013 10:20 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  Seems as if the whole oil sands thing has gotten a healthy dose of overhype here on rooshv, now it's time for a reality check !

I've said it on here a million times before, the oil sands are slow, sometimes very slow from December until about March, which is why I leave for tropical third world shit holes during that time where my money goes farther. That's not to say that there isn't work out there, if you're desperate, hit up some temp agencies and see what they have, I've done it before to tie me over. If you're with a company that doesn't have much work and you're sitting on your ass, don't wait around, tell them you have to work. There's work out there guys, from what I hear its been snowing like crazy all over Alberta so I can imagine that the landscaping companies need guys to shovel snow and operate ploughs.

This is why I've said from the beginning of this thread, if you want to work in the oil sands, move to Alberta in March/April or August/September because if you move out after October or before March, you may find yourself sitting on your ass or working a job that you don't want to be doing.

Yea I too have been haveing trouble trying to get a start I just got my paperwork sorted and started ringing around and a lot of company's have told me the same thing that jobs are winding down or there waiting for new ones to start up.. Luckily I have a job or else I would be screwed..

Don't overlook commercial construction as well in getting your start for a trade. Ultimately my goal is to hit the oil sands but I got told to fuck off till I had more experience in my chosen trade, so I'm working a big job in Calgary that is constantly crying for guys, while working tens and being home everynight. Today 50 percent of our 300 tradesmen aren't even on site due to this shit weather,

Yea the weather in calgary is pretty changeable yesterday was crazy today it's ok..

NFallin, what's your trade my brother?

I've been following this thread for some time and would like to know which jobs do women typically hold in the oil sands?

(12-03-2013 05:49 PM)attentiveone Wrote:  I've been following this thread for some time and would like to know which jobs do women typically hold in the oil sands?

Any job a guy does in the oil sands, there's women doing them too although you'll see less women in the more labour intensive trades such as welder, pipefitter, iron worker, boiler maker, scaffolder, etc. Lots of women doing industrial insulation, operating heavy equipment and the big huge mining trucks. As you can imagine most of the cleaners (room attendants) are women, as are a lot of the security staff, kitchen staff, medical, etc. Lots of women in the offices from reception/secretarial to planning (booking flights, camp rooms, etc).

There's a decent amount of female engineers too, basically if a woman takes a degree or diploma in any engineering discipline and wants a job in the oil sands, she won't have a problem getting one, from what I've seen, its encouraged.

I've seen female labourers on pipelines. It depends on the foreman hiring if he wants a woman on his team.

Most female positions are medic, first response, clerical stuff, and other soft jobs. But there's still a few hard hitting labourer and welder girls out there.

That being said some foreman don't like hiring women on out of town projects because of the sexual friction it creates in small knit crews. You're more likely to find women in large crews. If the woman looks like a butch dike, she's more likely to make it in the field.

I just read this article and watched the video in it and its probably one of the best I've see on life in work camps. Its done at Cenovus in Christina Lake, a site I've worked at several times, probably one of the best sites out there, I like the company so much that I even thought about buying stocks there, if you can get a job at Cenovus, TAKE IT!

*first person interviewed in the video is a woman
**check out the gym
***the food at Cenovus is restaurant quality, sometimes better (steak and lobster nights)
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/...story.html

(12-03-2013 07:57 PM)scotian Wrote:  I just read this article and watched the video in it and its probably one of the best I've see on life in work camps. Its done at Cenovus in Christina Lake, a site I've worked at several times, probably one of the best sites out there, I like the company so much that I even thought about buying stocks there, if you can get a job at Cenovus, TAKE IT!

*first person interviewed in the video is a woman
**check out the gym
***the food at Cenovus is restaurant quality, sometimes better (steak and lobster nights)
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/...story.html

I can confirm it.
I was staying in an Encana camp which is Cenovus. Food was really good. Saturday is Steak and Lobster Night. Rooms were nice and clean. Shared bathroom with your neighbor. Good gym as well.

We checked many drilling companies in Nisku today. No chance to get a job as a leasehand, even experienced hands with more than a year of experience don't get a job.
Everybody keeps saying come back next year.

My plan is now to take a course at the end of the year to make myself more valuable and work a sidejob in town.
On 22nd or so i will head back to Germany for Christmas and come back at the beginning of January to try my luck again

The temp agencies have plenty of work lately, they rob you blind but its better than nothing, haha.

Hey guys, so I've been in Edmonton since march, just like to give a update.

Since I've been here I have only worked less than half the time I'm employed, I'm a green hand so I can't go on a lot of jobs especially the big $ ones that need guys with experience. However I've been learning a lot, so I can't really complain so far and I took some training as well.

As for the about the overhype, I'd say it depends. Companies are still begging for experienced people, anyone with tickets or 2nd year apprenticeships have a high chance of being hired; if not they'll probably be called come january. Please don't try to find work in december, all the office staff are getting ready for the holidays and WILL take off extra early, like 2-4pm. Even while guys still might be working through most of december out in the field. Also don't come with the idea that your first couple of applications will go through, KEEP MOVING! it took me about 20 applications and running around all of edmonton, nisku, sherwood park, etc. before I found a job in april which is supposed to be extremely busy. Be proactive, I've gotten lazy the last few months, I've been out of work since the end of october, but I had training to do. Going to class 9-5 for a bit turned me into a slacker when your used to 12+hr days and having enough $ saved up to last me till spring.

I probably wrote this already, before you come here, pick a trade you want and stick to it; don't wander and focus. Learn everything you can about it, call/email people even though your still at home and ask about the industry, basically pipeline stuff before you land. Make a list of EVERY company that does that trade in Edmonton/Calgary/Red Deer, do Walk ins and call for EVERY company, don't skip any. Nobody gives a shit about online applications, CALL or face to face, only way to get real things done here. Most people start giving up quickly, keep going. If you stop before you've exhausted the list, you should just go home. If you finished the list in your city, go to the next one and repeat. If you did that for every city in alberta then you deserve to go home and mope, but I doubt that will happen. Also try to talk to EVERYONE you meet, one guy was offering jobs to people in a bathroom in a bar after he overheard me and a friend talking about work. It wasn't easy or glamorous but it was good paying hard work: 25$/hr 14hrs everyday construction labour on pipelines.

The street aren't paved with gold, but there's a lot of opportunity here, you just gotta be careful and learn some hard lessons.

Regarding the 'overhype':

I made over 100k after tax my first year here. That's in the 365 days from when I set foot off the plane.

It takes into account weeks of just drinking, time between different jobs and trips away. I just kept busy and hustled when need be.
Summer was quiet so I worked construction in the mornings (8am-5pm) and Café in the evenings and weekends (6pm-11pm) for 4 months straight.
That was 1500 a week in the 'off season' in two jobs that needed NO prior experience. Both jobs took about 20 minutes to get online.

I'm afraid to write what I made last month alone working on the rigs. The more I write the more PMs I get from people about how to do it and if its possible for them. Most I don't respond to cause its all questions I have answered multiple times before. If you can't take the info from the thread and at least come up with a game plan you don't have the hustling skills to make it over here when you do arrive. Harsh but true.

In regards to making money people who are saying its overhyped are talking out of their ass.

Irishman what are you thoughts on marrying a Canadian woman? Sounds pretty good to me:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/...riage.html

(12-05-2013 09:51 AM)Tresdus Wrote:  Irishman what are you thoughts on marrying a Canadian woman? Sounds pretty good to me:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/...riage.html

Great idea

But how are you going to find her if you are not in Canada?

(12-05-2013 10:33 AM)pitt Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 09:51 AM)Tresdus Wrote:  Irishman what are you thoughts on marrying a Canadian woman? Sounds pretty good to me:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/...riage.html

Great idea

But how are you going to find her if you are not in Canada?

I found mine in a Yahoo chat room back in 2002...hit her up with a compliment on her profile pic which led to a phone call (never knew she was Canadian by the way until the call). Talked online only from January to November 2002 then I booked us both on a trip to Cancun. Spent our first night together in the same room in a hotel close to Pearson airport in Toronto. Bought a house together in '04 and I came over from the UK in '05 for good. Got my PR status sometime in late 2006 (I think). It's a long haul (in my case) but it can be done

RCS (aka Swearbox)