Post: #1

Since 2012 having good success getting numbers and going on dates but I find that because of various reasons (my job, personality, etc) girls try to lock me down into a relationship pretty fast. Nearly all my first dates go pretty well at this point and following some of roosh's tactics I am able to get a good hour long conversation even with girls who really have nothing in common with me. My question is how do you keep it casual and keep banging different girls while not getting stuck into the whole relationship quagmire?

Post: #2

(01-15-2012 10:47 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  Since 2012 having good success getting numbers and going on dates but I find that because of various reasons (my job, personality, etc) girls try to lock me down into a relationship pretty fast. Nearly all my first dates go pretty well at this point and following some of roosh's tactics I am able to get a good hour long conversation even with girls who really have nothing in common with me. My question is how do you keep it casual and keep banging different girls while not getting stuck into the whole relationship quagmire?

Start being more of an asshole, and less of a nice guy. i.e ignore their calls, show up unannounced, cancel dates, say you have other plans and never be clear as to with whom. She'll realize you are just someone to enjoy sex with, and not get serious about you.

I'm not being sarcastic. Its the truth. Women want to fuck assholes and jerks, but be in a relationship with a nice guy who is generally there for her when she needs him to be.


Mixx

Post: #3

(01-15-2012 10:53 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 10:47 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  Since 2012 having good success getting numbers and going on dates but I find that because of various reasons (my job, personality, etc) girls try to lock me down into a relationship pretty fast. Nearly all my first dates go pretty well at this point and following some of roosh's tactics I am able to get a good hour long conversation even with girls who really have nothing in common with me. My question is how do you keep it casual and keep banging different girls while not getting stuck into the whole relationship quagmire?

Start being more of an asshole, and less of a nice guy. i.e ignore their calls, show up unannounced, cancel dates, say you have other plans and never be clear as to with whom. She'll realize you are just someone to enjoy sex with, and not get serious about you.

I'm not being sarcastic. Its the truth. Women want to fuck assholes and jerks, but be in a relationship with a nice guy who is generally there for her when she needs him to be.


Mixx

This. Exactly. You may have to re-program your brain, learn to do what you want when you want... and pay less attention to women. Give these emotional vampires just enough attention to keep coming back, that's it.

Post: #4

Its a mindset. Detach yourself from emotions and the want for a relationship will go away.

Post: #5

We arent suckers

Post: #6

lol

Post: #7

It's tricky, because sometimes you want to have your cake and eat it too. I tend to have strong pair-bonding feelings with some girls. I also know that these are just feelings, and they don't have to be acted out.

I love to conquer the entire girl. There are very few things in life as pleasurable as having a girl surrender herself to you entirely. I find myself getting wrapped up in the experience as well sometimes.

That said, after hanging with as many girls as I have, I know that I'm capable of connecting like that with several of them concurrently.

One thing you can do is set goals that are bigger than a single relationship with an individual woman. You can try thinking about as if you're in a monogamous relationship with the collective consciousness of women, or all of womankind at once- like they're all just branches on the same tree.

To deal with yourself you might want to try setting a quota, like: "I'm going to fuck xxx girls this year no matter what."

When it has come down to it, I've done what was right for me regardless of whether or not it was going to break her heart. However, I did feel a little bad about those times, and I'd rather not let things get that messy in the first place.

I think Mixx has the right idea about how to deal with her- you can implicitly communicate that you are a player without actually having to talk about it. This is good because if she has a sense of what she's getting into, than you aren't really leading her on. I guess this is using more "asshole" game, but being clear about your intentions, even if they are sub-communicated, actually seems like the "nicer" thing to do than letting her get too attached.

Post: #8

If your feeling ballsy just tell them you only want casual fun. To paraphrase a quote I saw on Roosh's site once:

"Once she realises you won't commit, she'll fuck you anyway".

This isn't guaranteed to work with every girl, but my current girls know I sleep with other girls. 2 of them read my blog - and still fuck me.

Post: #9

Nothing wrong with having a steady girl, it's that is must/should be on YOUR TERMS. Once she gets "out of pocket" (slang for getting out of line), you have to be able to drop her in 5 seconds flat.

Post: #10

Never promise them Anything!

Never tell them that you " LOVE " them

Always be unpredictable and hard to work out

Post: #11

(01-15-2012 10:47 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  Since 2012 having good success getting numbers and going on dates but I find that because of various reasons (my job, personality, etc) girls try to lock me down into a relationship pretty fast. Nearly all my first dates go pretty well at this point and following some of roosh's tactics I am able to get a good hour long conversation even with girls who really have nothing in common with me. My question is how do you keep it casual and keep banging different girls while not getting stuck into the whole relationship quagmire?

I Agree with what the others have said.

I would add: escalate escalate escalate. Make the "dates" all about the physical interactions. Don't talk about "Relationship" stuff - career, where you are going in life, etc. Keep things fun and simple - sarcasm, ridiculousness, stories. Did I mention escalate? Oh, and make it physical every time.

If as you say you have a high status job and an even keel personality then really you've got nothing to prove to these girls. Your goal: prove to them that your dick is huge.

Post: #12

Let her bring it up first. You're response should always be "It would never work out".

Post: #13

If you are having trouble saying no when being pressed I would suggest you cut ties after 3 dates. You get 3 chances to hit it and quit it. If you fail, next time escalate more but delete her shit from your phone, e-mail whatever. Once you get a rotation, don't hide that fact (don't advertise it either) those hoes will figure it out.

Post: #14

(01-16-2012 10:48 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Let her bring it up first. You're response should always be "It would never work out".

So, unless it's verbalized, nothing is set in stone?

I'm actually dealing with a girl who is giving me the relationship vibe. I want to be able to booty call her, but she seems like a nice girl, so I want to avoid leading her on. I'm hoping that I'm not sub-communicating "we're monogamous" to her, if that's even possible. I sometimes like to do "romantic" things with girls- looking into each other eyes, kissing without necessarily escalating to sex etc., even if I don't want to be monogamous with them. Is that giving them the wrong impression? Do you guys hold off on that kind of shit?

I often get bored of fucking the same girl quickly, and I just miss the kind of excitement that comes with fucking a new chick. But, I still want the option to fuck them. I feel like I need the challenge to get aroused. With repeat bangs, I've been finding that I have to imagine I just picked her up. With "nice" girls, I need to imagine that she's a slut or has an attitude. I'm wondering if this is conditioning as a result of me constantly gaming, or if it's just the natural way to feel as a man.

Anyone else get that?

Post: #15

I have a relationship with every woman I fuck. It's a fuck relationship. I fuck them like a porn star.

Despite that, I adore them...("adore" is a great substitute word for "love."). I guess in a way, I love them.

But none will live with me, none will be exclusive to me, none will be forever. I know it and, though they think otherwise from time to time, deep down they know it too.

Post: #16

(01-19-2012 12:58 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  I have a relationship with every woman I fuck. It's a fuck relationship. I fuck them like a porn star.

Despite that, I adore them...("adore" is a great substitute word for "love."). I guess in a way, I love them.

But none will live with me, none will be exclusive to me, none will be forever. I know it and, though they think otherwise from time to time, deep down they know it too.

I do the porn thing too, and I do the romantic thing with them.. because I want to, not because I'm trying to run game. I want the whole package. Yeah- it's like I "love" them, but I also "love" other girls. I want to avoid making a mess though. Is it my fault if she gets hurt or whatever? I feel like this girl really trusts me.. like I have some responsibility, at the very least not to give her any stds (which I don't have, yet) because we do it raw all the time.

Post: #17

(01-15-2012 10:47 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  Since 2012 having good success getting numbers and going on dates but I find that because of various reasons (my job, personality, etc) girls try to lock me down into a relationship pretty fast. Nearly all my first dates go pretty well at this point and following some of roosh's tactics I am able to get a good hour long conversation even with girls who really have nothing in common with me. My question is how do you keep it casual and keep banging different girls while not getting stuck into the whole relationship quagmire?

Bro it may be the weather. I'm having this problem too and depending on where in the world you are, cold weather makes chicks want to shack up with a BF big time. Could be genetic from back in the day when the dude with the warmest cave got all the poonani.

If all else fails, be the nice warm funny guy until you fuck them, then turn back into yourself afterwards. If you put your thing down good enough, they'll come back for seconds and thirds even though they know it'll amount to nothing. Sex is a hell of a drug. I'm in a situation where I'm about to get my first lay here in the US in I don't know how long, and I fucking know she's gonna wanna be the girlfriend (unless I suck in bed). I know it. So after I hit it, and knock it out of the park, I'm going to gradually ween her off me little by little. No little movie dates, no drink dates, no shopping together, no NOTHING...unless we're fucking afterwards. That'll send the message.

Post: #18

The only way you can get "suckered" is if you are a "sucker".

You let people tell you what to do. You don't stick up for yourself. You let your woman run the relationship. You are not true to yourself but instead you live to serve others. You put other peoples feelings above your own. You don't speak up for your true desires. You seek apporval from others. You put yourself down to make others happy. YOU ARE A SUCKER!!!

How to avoid being a sucker?

Mean what you say - Say what you mean - Don't explain - Don't make apologies

Tell her that you don't want a relationship. Simple as that.

If you are afraid to lose her, well, that is a whole nother issue..that you need to fix.

Post: #19

(01-19-2012 04:55 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  The only way you can get "suckered" is if you are a "sucker".

You let people tell you what to do. You don't stick up for yourself. You let your woman run the relationship. You are not true to yourself but instead you live to serve others. You put other peoples feelings above your own. You don't speak up for your true desires. You seek apporval from others. You put yourself down to make others happy. YOU ARE A SUCKER!!!

How to avoid being a sucker?

Mean what you say - Say what you mean - Don't explain - Don't make apologies

Tell her that you don't want a relationship. Simple as that.

If you are afraid to lose her, well, that is a whole nother issue..that you need to fix.

Word. (This is truth and great advice)

Post: #20

(01-19-2012 04:55 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  The only way you can get "suckered" is if you are a "sucker".

You let people tell you what to do. You don't stick up for yourself. You let your woman run the relationship. You are not true to yourself but instead you live to serve others. You put other peoples feelings above your own. You don't speak up for your true desires. You seek apporval from others. You put yourself down to make others happy. YOU ARE A SUCKER!!!

How to avoid being a sucker?

Mean what you say - Say what you mean - Don't explain - Don't make apologies

Tell her that you don't want a relationship. Simple as that.

If you are afraid to lose her, well, that is a whole nother issue..that you need to fix.

True Dat!!

However, dude needs to be aware that he'll experience a lot of rejection telling a girl up front that he only wants sex from her. Some of us know firsthand how difficult those dry spells can be, and sometimes when the pussy is staring you right in the face the last thing you wanna do is ruin the mood by talking about what you're not gonna do and how things are gonna go your way. While I agree that if she's hitting you up trying to define your relationship right off the bat then there's some recalibration you need to do in your game, I also agree with the philosophy of keeping your mouth shut if when it's for your own good.

Post: #21

(01-20-2012 09:32 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

(01-19-2012 04:55 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  The only way you can get "suckered" is if you are a "sucker".

You let people tell you what to do. You don't stick up for yourself. You let your woman run the relationship. You are not true to yourself but instead you live to serve others. You put other peoples feelings above your own. You don't speak up for your true desires. You seek apporval from others. You put yourself down to make others happy. YOU ARE A SUCKER!!!

How to avoid being a sucker?

Mean what you say - Say what you mean - Don't explain - Don't make apologies

Tell her that you don't want a relationship. Simple as that.

If you are afraid to lose her, well, that is a whole nother issue..that you need to fix.

True Dat!!

However, dude needs to be aware that he'll experience a lot of rejection telling a girl up front that he only wants sex from her. Some of us know firsthand how difficult those dry spells can be, and sometimes when the pussy is staring you right in the face the last thing you wanna do is ruin the mood by talking about what you're not gonna do and how things are gonna go your way. While I agree that if she's hitting you up trying to define your relationship right off the bat then there's some recalibration you need to do in your game, I also agree with the philosophy of keeping your mouth shut if when it's for your own good.

Be vague, mysterious.

Post: #22

If you're still learning the basics of game, you can't always trust how you feel.

One way to not get "suckered" into a relationship is to use "out of sight, out of mind"

If you feel like shit is getting claustrophobic, the best thing you can do is disengage from her and make a concerted effort to talk to other girls. The life of abundance will set you free.

Post: #23

I have a buddy who is in his late 30 s with some serious game and talent for getting one night stands, and gets to bang different chicks and specializes in not getting whipped or letting any girls become girlfriends. He has adopted this lifestyle choice (as this it what it really has to be in order to succeed). He has no intention of getting married and loves playing the field, he believes that women try to trap you so they can eventually settle down, which is not in his agenda.
Okay, now for his strategy on how not to let them become girlfriends. What he tells me is that he makes it very, very clear from the beginning (after the first couple bangs usually) that he does not want a serious relationship, and states that he wants a relationship for now of "friends with benefits". He goes so far as to tell them they can see whoever they want and he can see whomever he wants. Most of the time, the girls do not get turned off, as Mixx says they actually want to bang A-holes and jerks. They also view it as a challenge." He is currently seeing a girl who is young and a solid 8, and she has not got scared away by this. I think deep down, most girls think that you will eventually turn around and change your mind, and they actually like this challenge. Eventually, after a max of 8 months, you have to cut them loose he says. Keep us updated in a future thread if you try this out. Very interesting post !

Post: #24

I actually have a live in girlfriend and 2 kids so I don't really try to game girls anymore but interestingly enough you get loads more oppotunity to bang women when they know you are attached already ? I think they all want what they THINK they can't have.

Post: #25

(01-15-2012 10:47 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  Since 2012 having good success getting numbers and going on dates but I find that because of various reasons (my job, personality, etc) girls try to lock me down into a relationship pretty fast. Nearly all my first dates go pretty well at this point and following some of roosh's tactics I am able to get a good hour long conversation even with girls who really have nothing in common with me. My question is how do you keep it casual and keep banging different girls while not getting stuck into the whole relationship quagmire?

Like most things in the game, you've got to screen well, and manage her expectations from open to close to your exit strategy.

Expectation management comes in 2 forms

- Indirect - be an asshole, which other folks have broken down already. You have to do this from the beginning

- Direct - I don't want a relationship.

a) you can say this early, but you'll talk yourself out of so much pussy this way. and it's not because chicks necessarily want a relationship, they just like the illusion of the option. Cause post sex, you've won control, you've got "hand".

b) If you're not strong enough to say this, the best mealy mouth approach uses girl speak, "I'm in a weird place right now"
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My question is, how do you put a dime piece on ice?

She wants one, however

- you would actually really like a relationship with this particular girl (she's a 10 to you, she's a 6 to someone else)

- you still want to fuck other bitches before you groove back into relationship land

How do you
1) Manage your own feelings
2) keep the pussy warm, while you go fuck 10 other bitches