Post: #1

More than once I've been confronted with a girl who seemingly out of no where approaches me with an openly hostile attitude. Not teasing, but rude comments, outright insults etc...

When I was younger I was confused by this behavior. Go figure. I now recognize it for what it is...the outward expression of a frantic hamster. One bird I came across through my social circle, who had a boyfriend, would go out of her way to give me shit. This happened on and off for a few weeks until one night after a couple drinks we ended up alone and the hostility morphed into an epic blue mountain hoe down...I think at some point there was even a banjo involved.

I get this behavior enough to know that it's pretty much game on, though now I usually spend a bit of time stoking the fire and watching her squirm.

What I've learned is that if she's there, hanging around, up in your face, regardless of what garbage is emanating from her gurgler, chances are that with a wave of the wand she'll be wetter than an otter's pocket.

Probably not news to a lot of you...but it's really helped to frame my approach to game. Unless they're walking away, they're walking towards my bed.

I have a few theories why chicks act this way. But I'd rather hear someone else's stories. Do any of you guys get this kind of crazy/hate game from chicks?

Post: #2

I believe the PUAs would call that an IOD. I have seen more IODs than IOIs. Don't let IODs scare you, neg them and break through their bitch shields.

Post: #3

Nonstop! They usually come after me to tell me about myself for being disrespectful to other women. Some girls watch you then decide to strike at the worst times. The other day I stopped at an after work party that I was planning to blow off but had to drive in the parking lot anyway so stopped to say hi. This bitch was right on my ass in two seconds. As usual she knew who I was and I had no clue who she was...She was going on and on trying to neg me and talking about her awesome house and how well traveled she is blah blah but in a negative way. I said "Weren't you over my house? I forgot your name sorry" Wait, I have to say hi to somebody. Then I went to talk to other people. I had no plans on doing the time to bounce her out so just left it at that. She'll be back for more though next time she sees me.

On the tail end of ALI's visit here we figured this out as our wing game. Me the total dick(I am a total dick) and he the nice guy that the women open just to complain to about my actions.

Post: #4

I can give you a perfect example from last weekend.
I was at a nightclub and opened a couple of girls from a large mixed set. We chatted for awhile and I teased and negged them-only lightly, I swear.
Then I wandered off to get a beer, and talk to some other girls.
When I returned, i pulled one girl onto the dance floor and twirled her repeatedly.
When the song ended i walked back to the bar and she followed and said "You're evil!"
I was taken aback by this, because I really had not been mean to this girl at all (which i am quite capable of being if motivated)
But I knew enough not to deny her accusation, and simply responded with a smirk and walked away.
Talking to other girls ensued.
Half an an hour later the girl approached in sort of a confrontational fashion and said " Are you an asshole?"
Me:*smirk*
Her: "You act like an asshole!"
Me: *bigger smirk*
Her: *giggles* I kind of like assholes.*pause* "Don't you want my number?"
I whipped out my phone and let her type it in

Post: #5

Yeah, its an ioi, its just girls way of maing conversation, they have no better way I suppose. I don't know the reasoning for it other than probably lack of social skills, but they do it when they like you and usually want to fuck you.

Post: #6

Their hindbrain is attracted which causes them to think about you. But when the hamster looks at the "mean" shit you've done, it thinks that she can't stop thinking about you because she hates you. Either way, the end result is a strong motivation to go talk to you. As above, it doesn't really matter what comes out of her mouth, the fact that she took the time to approach you means that you piqued her interest. Remember, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

Post: #7

I was just reading the book "What Every Body is Saying" and it does a great job of summing up the way an IOI functions.

When a girl touches her hair, it's not an ape ancestor grooming request, it's a way of pacifying her stress. IOIs are essentially pacifying behaviors:

"pacifying behaviors satisfy the same requirement of the brain; that is, the brain requires the body to do something that will stimulate nerve endings, releasing calming endorphins in the brain, so that the brain can be soothed (Panksepp, 1998, 272)."

I'd wager that a girl needs to pacify herself when she feels herself loosing control of her frame. This is what happens when you dominate her with your frame.

And what's the ultimate pacifying action? Sex. Having an orgasm. That's why we need to keep building sexual tension, and we do so by breaking down her frame at every stage and dominating her until she's a quivering puddle of post-orgasm pulsations. I think this is key to visualizing the narrative arc of how an IOI can evolve into sex.

Post: #8

Think of it as a result of the cognitive dissonance casued by raw attraction and being made to feel dominated or vulnerable (usually compatible states, but made incompatable due to to her programming).

Post: #9

(02-16-2012 01:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Think of it as a result of the cognitive dissonance casued by raw attraction and being made to feel dominated or vulnerable (usually compatible states, but made incompatable due to to her programming).

I'm saying that attraction results from the braking down of her frame; she moves towards you in an effort to steal back her frame control and integrity.

But, if you can simultaneously defend your control over her frame AND physically pacify her, then she's going to literally be fucked.

And, both actions work together to distract her from what each is doing on it's own. This is why it's important to escalate kino while you are braking her down. You need to pacify her while you dig deeper into her frame. That's also why it's important to engage her emotions in order to mask your kino escalation.

Game is like tricking the skiddish cat into coming near you with a toy. While it's distracted by the toy, you can pet it.

Post: #10

That sounds good. I was just commenting on the phenomena that some females are hostile while expressing interest.

Post: #11

it's literally like Helga from Hey Arnold!

seriously

Post: #12

(02-16-2012 01:35 AM)soup Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 01:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Think of it as a result of the cognitive dissonance casued by raw attraction and being made to feel dominated or vulnerable (usually compatible states, but made incompatable due to to her programming).

I'm saying that attraction results from the braking down of her frame; she moves towards you in an effort to steal back her frame control and integrity.

But, if you can simultaneously defend your control over her frame AND physically pacify her, then she's going to literally be fucked.

And, both actions work together to distract her from what each is doing on it's own. This is why it's important to escalate kino while you are braking her down. You need to pacify her while you dig deeper into her frame. That's also why it's important to engage her emotions in order to mask your kino escalation.

Game is like tricking the skiddish cat into coming near you with a toy. While it's distracted by the toy, you can pet it.

Another thing- I think most guys can start doing game by acting the opposite of the attracted girl. Start paying attention to when you are doing these pacifying behaviors, and just stop doing them. I'd bet that this is a good first step. Try to get to a place of nothingness, and then build game on that.