Post: #1

OK, so here's the deal. I want to get laid, but I don't want to deceive. Most women want a relationship, and won't sleep with you if you're not in one with her or it's heading in that direction. (Where I currently live, Tdot, 'most' probably rises to 'almost all'.) So it looks like if I want to get what I want I'm going to have to deceive, which basically means that I have to pretend that I want more than sex. I don't want to do that.

Is there any way to get around this?

Edit: I think I should posted this in the Newbie section. Srry.

Post: #2

Most women SAY they want relationships before sex so that they don't look like sluts to their friends, in reality they love fucking just us much as men do.

With time and tight game you can fuck girls without commitment with no need to lie.

I am by no means an expert, but currently I'm fucking two girls, commitment free. The two know about each other and are cool with it, one of them was a virgin before she met me.

This is possible because I established that I will not commit early on, then got them to want me enough that they'd sleep with me regardless.

Once a girl who likes you accepts you won't commit, she'll just sleep with you anyway.

Post: #3

(12-24-2011 09:51 PM)Get D Wrote:  OK, so here's the deal. I want to get laid, but I don't want to deceive. Most women want a relationship, and won't sleep with you if you're not in one with her or it's heading in that direction. (Where I currently live, Tdot, 'most' probably rises to 'almost all'.) So it looks like if I want to get what I want I'm going to have to deceive, which basically means that I have to pretend that I want more than sex. I don't want to do that.

Is there any way to get around this?

Edit: I think I should posted this in the Newbie section. Srry.

Sounds like you don't really want to get laid bad enough.

Remember, most bitches will be scandalous and ruthless with you. You don't owe them any sense of fairness. Take me at my word or learn the lesson every man has inevitably learnt at some point.

Get over it and do whatever it takes...they want cock as much as they want a relationship. Can rarely take a women at face value.

Post: #4

(12-24-2011 10:25 PM)dulst Wrote:  Most women SAY they want relationships before sex so that they don't look like sluts to their friends, in reality they love fucking just us much as men do.

With time and tight game you can fuck girls without commitment with no need to lie.

I am by no means an expert, but currently I'm fucking two girls, commitment free. The two know about each other and are cool with it, one of them was a virgin before she met me.

This is possible because I established that I will not commit early on, then got them to want me enough that they'd sleep with me regardless.
Once a girl who likes you accepts you won't commit, she'll just sleep with you anyway.

I guess the key point is that you got them to want you enough to sleep with you anyway. In most cases I would think that women wouldn't go for sex-without-commitment. What did you do to get them to want you that much?

Post: #5

(12-24-2011 11:25 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 09:51 PM)Get D Wrote:  OK, so here's the deal. I want to get laid, but I don't want to deceive. Most women want a relationship, and won't sleep with you if you're not in one with her or it's heading in that direction. (Where I currently live, Tdot, 'most' probably rises to 'almost all'.) So it looks like if I want to get what I want I'm going to have to deceive, which basically means that I have to pretend that I want more than sex. I don't want to do that.

Is there any way to get around this?

Edit: I think I should posted this in the Newbie section. Srry.

Sounds like you don't really want to get laid bad enough.

Remember, most bitches will be scandalous and ruthless with you. You don't owe them any sense of fairness. Take me at my word or learn the lesson every man has inevitably learnt at some point.

Get over it and do whatever it takes...they want cock as much as they want a relationship. Can rarely take a women at face value.

I do, believe me. Anyway, you make it sound like it can't be done. Is that what you believe?

But yeah, you're right, I can't always take women at face value.

Post: #6

I've been thinking of trying the 'other chicks want me route': making it sound like there are a lot of other women who I could be messing with, and making them feel luckly to have even a non-committed sexual relationship with me. (In my case, I can make the first part of that believeable. Most women consider me very good looking.) Do you think that would work? If so, how should I go about it? I imagine that there are better and worse ways of conveying that I'm a desirable commodity.

Post: #7

get fit, be interesting, be cool, have skills, be able to talk to and entertain people, be able to interpret signs. ie. LEARN GAME. game is a skill that needs a certain mindset the ways in which you apply game is entirely up to you you will be able to fuck girls without decieving them.

ps. where are you getting your data from because from what i've seen (studies showing as well) the north american culture is continually moving towards a hookup culture where alpha males are the ones who get laid.

edit: sounds like a troll.

Post: #8

(12-25-2011 12:57 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  get fit, be interesting, be cool, have skills, be able to talk to and entertain people, be able to interpret signs. ie. LEARN GAME. game is a skill that needs a certain mindset the ways in which you apply game is entirely up to you you will be able to fuck girls without decieving them.

ps. where are you getting your data from because from what i've seen (studies showing as well) the north american culture is continually moving towards a hookup culture where alpha males are the ones who get laid.

edit: sounds like a troll.

Why do you think I sound like a troll?

Anyway, Toronto most definitely does not have a hookup culture, at least not with people outside of your social circle. Meeting women here is not easy if you're not in their circle. (Did you see this thread: /thread-6277.html)

Post: #9

(12-24-2011 09:51 PM)Get D Wrote:  Most women want a relationship, and won't sleep with you if you're not in one with her or it's heading in that direction.

This is where your wrong and why you are struggling to do what you want to do.

Women want a man who turns them on.

Cultural rules and labels have nothing to do with her vagina.

Try just telling girls you don't want a girlfriend, and then continue to escalate.

Post: #10

(12-25-2011 01:12 AM)Iceinthewater Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 09:51 PM)Get D Wrote:  Most women want a relationship, and won't sleep with you if you're not in one with her or it's heading in that direction.

This is where your wrong and why you are struggling to do what you want to do.

Women want a man who turns them on.

Cultural rules and labels have nothing to do with her vagina.

Try just telling girls you don't want a girlfriend, and then continue to escalate.

Thanks, I'll try that.

Post: #11

I can't recall getting into a discussion with a woman about where we wanted a relationship to go before we even fucked. EVER. You spit game, and try to fuck. I can't recall a chick asking me what I wanted in terms of a relationship AFTER we fucked either. If I was dating someone long-term I can't recall having a discussion/declaration as to what the status of the relationship was. I simply do. Try to fuck as soon as possible, without concern for the possible end game. Don't concern yourself with what she might be thinking. Just do. If she asks you a direct question, just simply say you're enjoying things as they are now. You don't have to lie to chicks. If things aren't to her liking, let HER decide what to do.

Post: #12

(12-24-2011 09:51 PM)Get D Wrote:  OK, so here's the deal. I want to get laid, but I don't want to deceive. Most women want a relationship, and won't sleep with you if you're not in one with her or it's heading in that direction. ...

Like you I don't want to be deceptive either. Morally, I don't think it matters when going for a same-night lay (because a woman should know what she's getting) but if you game mostly on the Internet SNLs are rarer.

I've found a technique that works well for me in one context: Internet-gaming smart and highly educated older women (35-45) of lukewarm-to-moderately hot looks for their age (FYI I'm in my early 40's) but I'm sure it's more widely applicable than that.

I get them out on a date and put in a good social performance, ensuring that I'm more desirable than 90% of the men they're meeting online. That's is pretty easy considering that most of the men writing them are older or least older looking (keep in mind that a man a few years older than a 40 year-old woman may look *very* old to her, depending on his genetics, especially if she looks pretty good herself) and more importantly most of those guys tend to be eccentric and/or utterly clueless about women. I'm naturally socially anxious, but if the date is going well enough then I'll reach a state where I have really comfortable body language, and while I'm talking to her I'll touch her at least a little bit (and sometimes a whole lot) but I won't go for the kiss, and at the end of the date while saying goodbye I won't go for the kiss either, but I'll send some subtle indication that I want her (i.e. moving my whole body slightly closer to her before saying bye, but not an obnoxious tease such as moving my face to within six inches of hers only to pull back). I'm not sure how I appear to women at these moments: perhaps very polite/reserved but at the same time self-confident? If it goes according to plan, the next day she'll text me telling me she had a great time and wants to see me again. Then I'll write something like "I had a great time too! I was dying to grab you but had to stop myself because I fear you're looking for something more serious than I am." If my luck continues she'll write back something like "lol sometimes I like to just have fun too! give me a call when you want to get together". Bingo! Guilt-free sex with a woman who is looking to you simply for penetration services.

I'd guess this only works with women who for whatever reason haven't met any men that they consider fuckable in a while. Normal 40-year-old women using okcupid passively seem to fall into this category. I might have to go out with five of them to catch one though.

Post: #13

Wow.

You cats can't recognize a troll thread.