Post: #1

I know this is not the forum for p4p stuff but I want to know your opinion on if I should hire a pro because I am still a virgin. If you read my thread on "picking up girls while being overweight" you'd understand it's a psychological and inner game issue and I feel a pro could help me break the ice. Even if I picked a girl up from a club I wouldn't have any idea on what to do with her as far as touching, escalating etc would go. What do you think?

Post: #2

Absolutely not.

Learn the hard way which means real success.

Lift weights, get a proper diet and bust your balls in the gym = no longer overweight and more attractive to girls.

Read Roosh's Bang, read game then go out practice, approach, approach, approach and approach some more = experience and more knowledge of how to fuck girls.

If you fuck a pro you will never know how to get a girl into bed.

We ALL had to start somewhere ... no one on here does quick fixes and realise that hard work eventually pays off, but if you're not willing to do that you're in completely the wrong place and probably shouldn't be on here.

Post: #3

Do you mind if I ask how old are you? If you don't feel comfortable answering, no problem, it is just that it might give a different perspective as to where you are coming from.

Post: #4

Yeah, I don't recommend this. How can you learn if you are doing something wrong if the women you're having sex with won't try to stop you if you pull a bad move?

Post: #5

The biggest problem with guys starting out with p4p is that they get hooked on it. Right now, it is hard as hell for you to get laid because of your weight and your inner game issues. If you go the p4p route, you will wind up banging a chick that you currently don't have the ability to snag on your own. It will be so easy (easier than losing weight and/or working on your inner game issues) that you might find yourself sticking to that. It has happened before.

I know it goes against what a lot of guys say on this forum, but my recommendation to you is to game some fat chicks. SERIOUSLY. Get over the idea of losing your virginity to some hottie. You're fat, they're fat. Go for it. Just having sex with a woman that you are not paying, and KNOWING that you had enough game to pull her, will do wonders for your self esteem. It will also motivate you like hell to lose more weight. As you lose weight, you will find that the quality of your bangs increases, as does your confidence.

P4P, will not only stunt your growth as a player, it will also stunt your weight loss efforts. Why lose weight when you can bang an 8 or 9 whenever you want? Yeah, there are the health issues, but that wasn't enough to motivate you before, so why would it be now?

Post: #6

Quote:Yeah, I don't recommend this. How can you learn if you are doing something wrong if the women you're having sex with won't try to stop you if you pull a bad move?

The point is to hire a pro specifically to teach me and take my virginity as it's a mental issue for me. I need help with touching, etc.

Quote:The biggest problem with guys starting out with p4p is that they get hooked on it. Right now, it is hard as hell for you to get laid because of your weight and your inner game issues. If you go the p4p route, you will wind up banging a chick that you currently don't have the ability to snag on your own. It will be so easy (easier than losing weight and/or working on your inner game issues) that you might find yourself sticking to that. It has happened before.

I know it goes against what a lot of guys say on this forum, but my recommendation to you is to game some fat chicks. SERIOUSLY. Get over the idea of losing your virginity to some hottie. You're fat, they're fat. Go for it. Just having sex with a woman that you are not paying, and KNOWING that you had enough game to pull her, will do wonders for your self esteem. It will also motivate you like hell to lose more weight. As you lose weight, you will find that the quality of your bangs increases, as does your confidence.

P4P, will not only stunt your growth as a player, it will also stunt your weight loss efforts. Why lose weight when you can bang an 8 or 9 whenever you want? Yeah, there are the health issues, but that wasn't enough to motivate you before, so why would it be now?

You make a good point. But I am already gaming women and I just want to use a pro to take my virginity and learn me a bit more before I fuck a girl. Lets say I pickup a girl from a club, naturally I am dominant, what will happen if I don't even know how to kiss her or how to fuck?

I don't want to do p4p for the rest of my life, I know it can be an easy way out but I think p4p will be good to break the ice.

Post: #7

i wouldnt pay...go to a strip show or something to quench your curiousity but dont pay, PLEASE!

Post: #8

(12-23-2011 05:45 AM)Konkerer Wrote:  You make a good point. But I am already gaming women and I just want to use a pro to take my virginity and learn me a bit more before I fuck a girl. Lets say I pickup a girl from a club, naturally I am dominant, what will happen if I don't even know how to kiss her or how to fuck?

I don't want to do p4p for the rest of my life, I know it can be an easy way out but I think p4p will be good to break the ice.

You are afraid that your first time will be awkward, embarrassing and you won't know what your are doing. YOU'RE RIGHT! That is what first times are supposed to be like. That is what makes them fun when you think about them years later.

Here is a tip. Find a chick, game her, then when you start kissing playfully ask to her to show you how. She will most likely laugh at you. THEN she will teach you how to kiss. If a chick is into beforehand, teaching you to kiss may be funny to her, but it will also turn her on a bit. It triggers that whole desire to mold men. That is exactly how I learned how to kiss AND how to eat pussy.

Speaking of eating pussy, if you can give a chick good head the fucking afterward is almost an afterthought. While some dudes are all about how they stroke their cock into a chick when fucking her, I find that the warmup is VASTLY more important. You warm a chick up enough with language, massage, pussy eating/fingering, and you will be 95% of the way there.

If you are going to spend some money, take some massage classes. That shit has done wonders for my sex game.

Post: #9

It's _OK_to be scared, feel awkward,mess up, startover.

It's TOTALLY TOTALLY OK. Totally normal and the guys who AREN'T nervous at all are very atypical.

It's OK to screw a a whore, but I don't recommend it. I think you shouldn't.

When you look back you'd rather have a memory of someone, who, for whatever reason, liked and was attracted enough to fuck you for you.

And I TOTALLY second the pussy eating advice. Tough, insensitive guys don't like it; so you can beat them there.

Slurp at that thing like you're just in from the desert. Seal your lips around the base of her clitoris and SUCK without hitting it with your teeth. Kiss it, they love that. It causes them a lot of trouble with menstruation etc, so you can relieve her anxiety. If you're lucky she'll soak the bed with her orgasm juices and be pulling you up because she wants intercourse.

Post: #10

joehoya...

I followed your advice and I approached 5 women in 1 day without any luck. I know I should approach more but I didn't have any confidence left. Anyway, a couple of days ago I met a girl at my gym who I am interested in and she keeps showing IOI's, like looking around, making eye contact and smiling. I always ask how she is doing when I enter my gym but I don't stop and talk to her for longer for some strange reason. What do you think I should do? I do not want this to end like the time in high school where girls showed obvious attention to me but I didn't do shit about it because I was too scared.

The thing is that I want to find a girl to get over this virginity hurdle. I obviously want to do it with a girl I like but I am too afraid of making mistakes or doing silly things... Which is why I think a hooker is the best, she won't care about anything and she won't tell her friends (she won't know my name, etc) unlike this girl. It also doesn't help that I live in a small town.

Post: #11

I opened a new thread here: /thread-9392.html

Post: #12

Guys

I have approached 10 women since I created this thread. I got 2 numbers but no response when I text them. Most of these girls are also very low in quality.

I am not getting dates because I think my confidence is too low and I worry too much.

I am really frustrated

Post: #13

Need more practice I'm guessing. Remember, if one vagina says no, there'll be another one coming along soon.

Post: #14

Today I saw a guy on a wheelchair. I thought: "fuck: how can I complain at all?"

Don't feel frustrated, and read this post by Roissy. IN particular, this passage:

"This insight doesn’t help the noobs, but only if we measure success by the noobs’ standards. “Get me sex now” is the wrong standard, and unfortunately is the standard most heavily marketed to by shysters. Instead, as a newcomer to the game of seduction, you should be rejoicing in every positive interaction you have with women, no matter how trivial. Every hi fuels your confidence until you are prying smiles from girls. Every smile emboldens you until they are touching you. Every touch emboldens you until they are giving you their numbers. Every number emboldens you until they are kissing you. Every kiss emboldens you until you are banging them. Every bang emboldens you until you feel free to love them."

Finally, you are so emboldened that you no longer come to women for reinforcement. They come to you.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/01/1...t-of-game/

Post: #15

Try to bang any chick that passes the boner test. Don't worry if you fuck it up, there will be more girls.

Post: #16

Girlfriend Experience? Why would you pay a hooker to nag you and make you watch Bridezillas with her parents?

Post: #17

(12-22-2011 05:55 PM)Konkerer Wrote:  I know this is not the forum for p4p stuff but I want to know your opinion on if I should hire a pro because I am still a virgin. If you read my thread on "picking up girls while being overweight" you'd understand it's a psychological and inner game issue and I feel a pro could help me break the ice. Even if I picked a girl up from a club I wouldn't have any idea on what to do with her as far as touching, escalating etc would go. What do you think?

It can boost your confidence somewhat, but no hooker can help you with psychological issues.