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So after ALL that judicial litigation, Barry Bonds sentence ended up....2 years probation, 30 days house-arrest....and no chicken wings and no strippers for a week. I know the prosecuting lawyers schools are so proud of their law graduates...smh.

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(12-16-2011 04:53 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  So after ALL that judicial litigation, Barry Bonds sentence ended up....2 years probation, 30 days house-arrest....and no chicken wings and no strippers for a week. I know the prosecuting lawyers schools are so proud of their law graduates...smh.

I'll never forget the summer of 2006 when I was doing an academic networking program in San Diego and got the chance to watch the Padres play the visiting Giants. This was during the height of the Barry Bonds controversy and, boy, let me tell you, I have never seen more vehement disgust directed towards another human being in my life. I remember when it was Bonds' turn at bat and there being a nearly 10-minute delay due to the noise from the incessant booing and heckling when his name was called by the announcer. When he was in the outfield playing defense, there were several police officers each strategically placed in different sections of the field to make sure that no fan would be able to hurl objects at Bonds without detection. It was surreal. I've never seen anything like it in my life.

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Millions of taxpayer dollars wasted chasing the boogeyman, and it still isn't over because Bonds' team is appealing the decision, even though he's not getting jail time. We know that the government is dogged in their pursuit of "justice." Normally, if the government brings a case, you pretty much know it's a winner. They generally avoid cases that don't have the odds of winning heavily in their favor. This case was never about whether or not Bonds used PEDs - that was already confirmed. The question was whether or not Bonds KNEW he was taking PEDs (he was being accused of lying and obstruction because in his grand jury testimony he stated he didn't have KNOWLEDGE that they were PEDs, but confirmed that he used the BALCO "The Cream" and "The Clear" as directed by his trainer, Greg Anderson). He claimed Anderson told him that it was "flax seed oil" and that he didn't question him about it further. Unless the trainer testifies that he in fact told Bonds exactly what it was, there's NO CASE. Greg Anderson went to jail TWICE rather than testify against Bonds (not only was he Barry's trainer, but also a childhood friend). He was the whole case, and if he wasn't going to talk, the government needed to drop this.

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Either way, he along with others involved in the "steroids" era, tarnished the game. Didn't the league m.v.p just get caught with doing the same shit?( Ryan Braun)

Post: #5

What about sleazy Selig and MLB. Barry is getting of soft on this but lets be real here Baseball cashed in big on the steroid era. I remember when the Cubs vs Cards would be the epic series to watch cause of Sosa and Bigmac.

Bonds does deserve to do time tho. He was extremely selfish and based his roids on mad small man/penis enevy of others - strait bitch female type shit.

Looking back this whole mess just helps shine a greater light on my fav player Griffey. If you look at the top HR list... take away all the roid heads and Griffey sits pretty much under Hank and Ruth. If injuries did screw him over he would of easily the best ever.

Post: #6

(12-17-2011 10:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  What about sleazy Selig and MLB. Barry is getting of soft on this but lets be real here Baseball cashed in big on the steroid era. I remember when the Cubs vs Cards would be the epic series to watch cause of Sosa and Bigmac.

Bonds does deserve to do time tho. He was extremely selfish and based his roids on mad small man/penis enevy of others - strait bitch female type shit.

Why does Bonds deserve time?, he probably should have been convicted, but there is no way he deserved the destruction of his legacy. He got stuck in the middle of a ridiculous witch hunt and his pride got him in trouble.

Small man syndrome? Bonds could have been the greatest hitter of all time without the juice, he did what hundreds of ball players (and thousands of athletes) were doing at the time and because he was unlikeable he got the worst of the attention.

Quote:Looking back this whole mess just helps shine a greater light on my fav player Griffey. If you look at the top HR list... take away all the roid heads and Griffey sits pretty much under Hank and Ruth. If injuries did screw him over he would of easily the best ever.

If he would have juiced then he maybe wouldn't have been injured.

I still strongly believe that the biggest advantage to juicing in baseball is injury prevention and recovery, and the increase in power is way over blown.



As a fan, would you rather have the production of Bonds on your team, or Griffey? I think most fans would take 10+ years of Bonds over parts of 5 great seasons for Griffey

Post: #7

(12-18-2011 01:37 AM)canucktraveller Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 10:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  What about sleazy Selig and MLB. Barry is getting of soft on this but lets be real here Baseball cashed in big on the steroid era. I remember when the Cubs vs Cards would be the epic series to watch cause of Sosa and Bigmac.

Bonds does deserve to do time tho. He was extremely selfish and based his roids on mad small man/penis enevy of others - strait bitch female type shit.

Why does Bonds deserve time?, he probably should have been convicted, but there is no way he deserved the destruction of his legacy. He got stuck in the middle of a ridiculous witch hunt and his pride got him in trouble.

Small man syndrome? Bonds could have been the greatest hitter of all time without the juice, he did what hundreds of ball players (and thousands of athletes) were doing at the time and because he was unlikeable he got the worst of the attention.

Quote:Looking back this whole mess just helps shine a greater light on my fav player Griffey. If you look at the top HR list... take away all the roid heads and Griffey sits pretty much under Hank and Ruth. If injuries did screw him over he would of easily the best ever.

If he would have juiced then he maybe wouldn't have been injured.

I still strongly believe that the biggest advantage to juicing in baseball is injury prevention and recovery, and the increase in power is way over blown.



As a fan, would you rather have the production of Bonds on your team, or Griffey? I think most fans would take 10+ years of Bonds over parts of 5 great seasons for Griffey

Its well known Bonds was a egomaniac. He envied dudes like Bigmac. He is known for hacing convos about wanting to do what they did. Dude had penis envy strait up. He never needed the juice.. like you said he would of been top 3-5 all time regardless. But like a women he chased apizement and went after the juice.

i do agree that juice is more so for recovery then for power. Griffey would of added on 5-7 more top tier years of play with juice, but its a bitch move. I understand it was part of the culture, especially among pitchers oddly so they could fix up their tore up arms way quicker but it was a black mark on my favorite sport. An insult to the old school dudes who would just slam back a shot a whiskey, muscle out the pain and go play at a high level.

All the high profile users need to be an example off. To many kids are doing roids now my body fucked his shit up doing roids for hockey and football. BigMac started him on it and now hes just a mess, I don't even think his dick work anymore.. hes just a train wreck. A-rod, Clemens, BigMac, Bonds.. all of them. If they in any way were linked to the same rings lock em up or take away their records. ....Selig too by the way, biggest crook in this of all.

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I think people take juice for different reasons. For Mark McGuire, he did it to try to stay on the field. As a rookie, the guy hit 49 home runs, and also hit for a pretty high average for a power hitter. But he was plagued by a variety of injuries throughout his career. He used the juice to allow himself to workout harder and recover from injury. Since he was a pretty decent contact hitter from the beginning, the by-product of all that added strength was pretty much a home run every time he made decent contact.

Barry Bonds' motivation for doing roids was the great McGuire/Sosa homerun chase of '98. He was jealous, no doubt. He was the greatest all-around ballplayer of his generation (though Griffey had surpassed him in my mind already, but not by a lot), but never got that kind of love because he was a miserable human being to be around. No player in HISTORY had the offensive statistical gains at the tail end of his career that Bonds did. When most guys are on the sofa watching, or in the booth working as analysts, he was jacking balls into McCovey Cove. Roids won't help EVERYONE become a better hitter, but it will for some. At a time in his career when most hitters' bats slow down, Barry's SPED UP. With one of the shortest, quickest swings ever, he was hitting balls a mile. That's what juice does - it aids in quick, explosive movements. Barry was one of the best hitters in the game without juice, but WITH it, he became a monster that you couldn't get out. He only needed ONE half decent pitch per at-bat to hit one out. You couldn't get a pitch by him, and if he put it in play, it was usually a home run. The late Ken Caminiti talked about how roids changed him. He was a good major leaguer that became MVP. It helped him get his bat through the zone super quickly, AND helped him in the field. He was quicker to the ball, and was throwing ROPES across the diamond to first. Juice won't turn a bad player into a great one, but for a decent major leaguer that makes consistent contact, you will improve markedly.

Before the injury bug bit Ken Griffey, he was AVERAGING 50 homers a season. Aaron NEVER hit 50 in his whole career (he topped out at 47, but consistently hit in the mid to high 30s every year). Griff probably lost the equivalent of 4 or 5 full seasons to injury, because he played all out, diving for balls and running into fences. He'd have been the legit home run champ in my opinion if he had maybe 3 of those seasons back. Also, Aaron was about 5' 11" and 170 pounds. He wasn't a huge man, and the key to hitting homers is a quick bat through the zone, with strong wrists and forearms. Not huge muscles. Players that overdo the lifting on juice actually get hurt MORE. The muscles become too big for the skeleton and connective tissue, and they tear off the bone under too much stress. Juice monkeys always have lots of tears and strains to the lats, biceps, pecs and leg muscles. Juan Gonzalez, a great hitter with the Rangers in the 90s won two MVPs, but was always hurt with some kind of tear. He looked like a bodybuilder.

Jose Canseco and Ken Caminiti are the prime examples of the side effects of juice. Canseco had a reality show, and in one of the episodes he visited his doctor to get the results of tests. His testosterone level was too low, and not improving on its own. He has to take injections to keep his level normal. Ken Caminiti wrote years ago in an Sports Illustrated cover story that he took so much juice that his testicles ceased to function, and will actually ascend into the abdomen (when you introduce testosterone into the body from an artificial source, your testicles will cease production because your levels are already adequate or too high. If they cease to function for too long, they'll atrophy). Caminiti said it took MONTHS for his testes to descend, but still didn't function. He had to take testosterone injections in order to remain a male. Not every guy that uses it will have the same effects, or guys that cycle on and off properly will get benefits without the negatives. Depending on how good of a player you are to start with largely determines the improvement using will give you.