Post: #1

I'm reading Day Bang at the moment, and I'm really impressed by all the shit
that Roosh can bullshit about on a whim....I have to admit I've always been
a bit of a conversation snob and can't stand when people start flapping to
me about trivial shit that doesn't mean much in the big scheme of things.

Usually when I conversate, I'm either being funny and smart-ass, getting
deep, or talking about something that really interests me.

Sometime I'll even have girls open me, bait me, or question me about things
and completely let it go dead because it's not something I'm jazzed to talk
about.

After digging into this book, I'm convinced I've got to change this about
myself and open my mind a little bit to jawing about nothing just in order to
get to know people a bit more. I think once I get better at this, it's going
to really make a huge difference for me because I'm often too closed
around people I don't know if I'm not drinking.

I've got a lot of material to work with because I've got a few interesting
hobbies and I've traveled a lot, but the way Roosh seems to just be going
on and on with someone he doesn't know blows my mind. Here's some
ideas I have to give myself more BS material.

1. Practice Talking More (OBVIOUSLY)
2. Read More Magazines
3. Make it a Point to Remember Interesting Trivia I Read (I noticed roosh
uses the "I read this article" line a lot)
4. Be More Observant, Mentally Picking Apart My surroundings and
analyzing the World Around Me
5. Read Books (My problems here, however, is that I already read a ton of
books but rarely remember enough to talk about it later, unless it's right
away - maybe cut back on the drinking? lol)
6. Be Less Neutral - I think I just avoid developing opinions on things that
don't affect me. Neutral opinions make for neutral conversations.

I'm already getting some real epiphanies about conversational
technique just by reading the book, but I'm more interested in
developing more material. Seems like a lot of talkative people absorb a lot
of knowledge about shit I just don't really care about.

Any additional suggestions?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #2

Great question. I think alot of guys need to improve their conversational skills. After reading "Day Bang", I have started doing a better job at "dropping bait". Being an interesting and engaging speaker is the cornerstone to good Game.

Is kind of like writing a good job resume, you want to present yourself in the most attractive way possible.

(12-14-2011 04:45 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I have to admit I've always been
a bit of a conversation snob and can't stand when people start flapping to
me about trivial shit that doesn't mean much in the big scheme of things.

Get used to it. Girls can yap about "trivial shit" for hours. Have fun with it.

(12-14-2011 04:45 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Usually when I conversate, I'm either being funny and smart-ass, getting
deep, or talking about something that really interests me.

Funny and smart -ass is good. Be careful about getting "deep" too early. Don't have a conversation thats too serious. Keep it playful and light-hearted.

(12-14-2011 04:45 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Sometime I'll even have girls open me, bait me, or question me about things
and completely let it go dead because it's not something I'm jazzed to talk
about.

Learn to fake it a little. Lie a little

(12-14-2011 04:45 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Usually when I conversate, I'm either being funny and smart-ass, getting
deep, or talking about something that really interests me.

Funny and smart -ass is good. Be careful about getting "deep" too early. Don't have a conversation thats too serious. Keep it playful and light-hearted.

(12-14-2011 04:45 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Any additional suggestions?

Re-read the "dropping bait" section of Day Bang

Post: #3

(12-14-2011 04:45 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I'm reading Day Bang at the moment, and I'm really impressed by all the shit
that Roosh can bullshit about on a whim....I have to admit I've always been
a bit of a conversation snob and can't stand when people start flapping to
me about trivial shit that doesn't mean much in the big scheme of things.

Usually when I conversate, I'm either being funny and smart-ass, getting
deep, or talking about something that really interests me.

Sometime I'll even have girls open me, bait me, or question me about things
and completely let it go dead because it's not something I'm jazzed to talk
about.

After digging into this book, I'm convinced I've got to change this about
myself and open my mind a little bit to jawing about nothing just in order to
get to know people a bit more. I think once I get better at this, it's going
to really make a huge difference for me because I'm often too closed
around people I don't know if I'm not drinking.

I've got a lot of material to work with because I've got a few interesting
hobbies and I've traveled a lot, but the way Roosh seems to just be going
on and on with someone he doesn't know blows my mind. Here's some
ideas I have to give myself more BS material.

1. Practice Talking More (OBVIOUSLY)
2. Read More Magazines
3. Make it a Point to Remember Interesting Trivia I Read (I noticed roosh
uses the "I read this article" line a lot)
4. Be More Observant, Mentally Picking Apart My surroundings and
analyzing the World Around Me
5. Read Books (My problems here, however, is that I already read a ton of
books but rarely remember enough to talk about it later, unless it's right
away - maybe cut back on the drinking? lol)
6. Be Less Neutral - I think I just avoid developing opinions on things that
don't affect me. Neutral opinions make for neutral conversations.

I'm already getting some real epiphanies about conversational
technique just by reading the book, but I'm more interested in
developing more material. Seems like a lot of talkative people absorb a lot
of knowledge about shit I just don't really care about.

Any additional suggestions?

Long before I read Day Bang, I undertook the transformation you are embarking on right now.

Ramble has to approach a woman in a sort of right-brain way - a sort of effortless shift between topics, touching on something interesting and then moving on to something else. Ramble does a lot of things. It demonstrates your knowledge, your skill at conversing, your ability to keep things interesting for her, your ability to observe things, it connects with her emotions in a very subtle low-key way. I actually think it's the game skill I'm most naturally good at.

I often try to adopt the mindset of a poet, spitting out two to four lines on something.

You can also compliment her brain "...that's really interesting, I read an article about [blah]..."

If she hits you with a topic you don't care about, that's even better - you can adopt a perspective or opinion on it that you won't feel the need to defend. Say you don't give a shit about finance, and the topic comes up of investment nest eggs. You can drop "I know a few people have been putting all their money into gold, they say it's the only stable currency." This is controversial, but you don't care - so she can respond any way she wants and you'll have no real investment in her opinion. (I actually try to have this attitude with everybody so I don't get argumentative.)

The other good thing about ramble is you can quickly change the subject if it's something you aren't interested in. Just hear her out for a few sentences, respond with something vaguely substantive and connect it to something else.

Post: #4

instead of making a list of topics, think about how you talk about any topic. try expressing your thoughts and feelings about whatever the topic is. that's what women are really interested in - the impression you got from an event or idea. that's why women seem like they are talking about nothing. really they are talking about their thoughts and feelings about stuff.

guy: "I went to the store because I needed food."
girl: "omg I was soo hungry today, but I am trying to lose weight so I'm like 'I should just get healthy stuff' but of course once I got in there I saw all the food and started loading up the cart because I was hungry. I remember my mom always used to say 'never' shop while you're hungry'" etc

If you can talk about how you think about stuff, rather than the stuff itself, you'll never be at a loss for words.

Post: #5

7. Watch every Seinfeld episode.

Post: #6

what roosh said

Post: #7

(12-19-2011 09:12 PM)Iceinthewater Wrote:  instead of making a list of topics, think about how you talk about any topic. try expressing your thoughts and feelings about whatever the topic is. that's what women are really interested in - the impression you got from an event or idea. that's why women seem like they are talking about nothing. really they are talking about their thoughts and feelings about stuff.

guy: "I went to the store because I needed food."
girl: "omg I was soo hungry today, but I am trying to lose weight so I'm like 'I should just get healthy stuff' but of course once I got in there I saw all the food and started loading up the cart because I was hungry. I remember my mom always used to say 'never' shop while you're hungry'" etc

If you can talk about how you think about stuff, rather than the stuff itself, you'll never be at a loss for words.

Also, try to find something interesting in every possible situation. You need to view the world as exciting and interesting, because to bag your typical chick you need to make the world come to life when you're around.

Post: #8

(12-21-2011 01:51 AM)BadgerHut Wrote:  Also, try to find something interesting in every possible situation. You need to view the world as exciting and interesting, because to bag your typical chick you need to make the world come to life when you're around.

Exactly right. Even before you enter some venue, be aware of, and evaluate for later conversational use, everything on your way. Geez, you guys can't even imagine what I just read before I started this post ... yadda, yadda ... what do you think? What, you didn't see it? Come on outside with me for a sec and let's see if it's still there...

Post: #9

(12-21-2011 02:05 AM)Openbar Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 01:51 AM)BadgerHut Wrote:  Also, try to find something interesting in every possible situation. You need to view the world as exciting and interesting, because to bag your typical chick you need to make the world come to life when you're around.

Exactly right. Even before you enter some venue, be aware of, and evaluate for later conversational use, everything on your way. Geez, you guys can't even imagine what I just read before I started this post ... yadda, yadda ... what do you think? What, you didn't see it? Come on outside with me for a sec and let's see if it's still there...

Shades of the old "did you see the fight outside?" opener.

Tonight I opened a date with "did you see Kim Jong Il is dead?" And she started riffing on all the interesting people who have died recently. And we were off and running.

Post: #10

I've been watching a lot of Simple Pickup, and they advocate something really simple... you talk about things that -you- find interesting; anything that you find interesting.

And then I add: what is more important is not the content of the conversation, but the tone you set and what you subcommunicate through your vibe and intent.

Post: #11

I think the type of women you are approaching also helps. I have dealt with women that couldnt hold a conversation and always waited for me to start a new topic, i tend to get along better with women that talk a lot because im generally a great listener. So even if she doesnt talk much, if she is inquisitive and listens, then it will be easier for you to develop conversations.

Talkinb about something you find interested can be good and can be bad. If you like football a lot, you wont be talking to every chick you meet about football.

This conversation thing with me is something that just flows, i dont think i even look for subjects to talk about because my goal is to fuck her and move on..if i fucked her already we just gonna talk about regular shit.