Post: #26

Yeah, I think reading all the manosphere blogs is turning me into a cynical, venomous bastard.

Learning about the hypergamic nature of women makes me really, really depressed. There's also that issue that the woman doesn't like me for who I am, but rather how good my game is.

Just the thought that I could invest so much time (like a marriage or something) into a girl and that she could ditch my ass for some other higher value guy without a second thought makes my blood boil. Men might be the "walking hard-ons" of the two genders, but we take a lot longer to recover from a breakup than a woman with options.

The best part is that no one gives a shit about our problems. My first girlfriend broke up with me this year and not a single person asked me how I was doing. It probably took me a month before I could think straight. After the breakup, she fucked one of my friends (who turned her down for an LTR) and then she fucked the guy who lives down the hall.

I treat her like a dude now and I use her for free smokes since she thinks we're still friends.

edit: I've come a long way since then, it was a learning experience for sure.

Post: #27

Thanks for all the replies but i think i have move past from the hate stage. Like amour said the narrow dualism is not that narrow anymore. Especially since i actively started gaming, instead of just theorizing everything.
My stages of game have gone from not being able to make eye contact to now being able to open almost any girl, get a kiss and the number.
Im still fucking up at overgaming and miscalibration but i think those things will autocorrect as i interact with more and more girls.

New problem i really need a hand with this, the girl i gamed about a month ago, texted me basically saying she wanted to hook up, i said i cant and then i deleted her number.
Another girl whom i met through a friend seems to like me a lot, she is always asking my friend why dont i text her, and she told him to tell me that basically.. im a pussy for not texting her (shes an 8).
Im not going to lie cause i really want to get this shit over with, im 25 but with almost zero sexual experience, and im kind of scared of fucking things up (yet again) when pushing things sexually.
When im in state with a girl im like fuck it! ill say to the girls ive got my car outside ill take you home (obviously this means hooking up along the way).
But when im texting i just dont feel like it, im scared of being ridiculed by the girl, and have her tell me like "what the fuck why are you so old and dont know shit whats wrong with you", and then tell all her friends.

A friend of mine noted this and told me that i have issues, that i always have an excuse for not closing, and i think hes right.
I dont need someone telling me to go fuck a hooker or something, but some advice would be useful cause i know that if i dont push things in that direction girls wont.

Post: #28

I went through (and am on the tail-end of) this process. I took the "red pill" back in November, became bitter, and sat around bitching for a month afterwards. I finally said "fuck it", changed all of the controllable things that I could (style, body language, tonality) and hooked up (6.5). That knocked me out of my tailspin. I'm still not as active as I should be though, in terms of approaches.

Post: #29

Dog, the seething hatred will pass, and then you will become a happy low level misogynist like me. You will have to give up many bullshit fantasies about women that society sold you, but over all you will be much happier, and despite the lack of respect you have for them, women will probably be happier around you too.

Post: #30

(06-01-2012 12:58 AM)dog24 Wrote:  New problem i really need a hand with this, the girl i gamed about a month ago, texted me basically saying she wanted to hook up, i said i cant and then i deleted her number.

Firstly props for getting to where you are, but try to be a bit more unpredictable, and you might just surprise yourself.

Post: #31

On friday i didnt do a single approach, i pshyched myself out cause there was this gorgeous model at the club, and i thought thats why i got into game i must approach her, but never did.
Anyway as i was about to leave this drunk girl approached me and started giving shit to me about being a player, that i look good on the outside but im empty on the inside, that i dont have feelings and shit i said to her your dying to dance with me arent you and then she couldnt stop anymore, that my ego is so far high and shit. I think she is in love with me or something lol.

On saturday i decided to try if i could get in state without any alcohol, surprisingly i did but it took a bit longer (i had to do warm up sets), when i left the club i felt the same way i do when i drunk. Im going to start doing this more often.
Lack of a decent wingman is killing me, one of my friends who was already shitfaced drunk still didnt have the guts to approach so he went and did cocaine in the bathroom. Needless to say how the sets went after that.
I did open two sets all alone but got cockblocked shortly after.
One girl didnt want to answer any personal questions so i asked whats up with that, she said it was because i look like a guy who just wants to hook up for the night, so i said yeah i want to hook up every night is that so bad, she said no its not bad if you find someone that wants the same, she ended up leaving shortly after.

Whats up with that girls like players but they dont want to be played?
How can you give value instead of taking value from them when its obvious that youre a player?
Also some girls (fat ones) are starting to hate me, i guess that means im on the right track.

Post: #32

(05-31-2012 09:16 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  Yeah, I think reading all the manosphere blogs is turning me into a cynical, venomous bastard.

Learning about the hypergamic nature of women makes me really, really depressed. There's also that issue that the woman doesn't like me for who I am, but rather how good my game is.

Just the thought that I could invest so much time (like a marriage or something) into a girl and that she could ditch my ass for some other higher value guy without a second thought makes my blood boil. Men might be the "walking hard-ons" of the two genders, but we take a lot longer to recover from a breakup than a woman with options.

The best part is that no one gives a shit about our problems. My first girlfriend broke up with me this year and not a single person asked me how I was doing. It probably took me a month before I could think straight. After the breakup, she fucked one of my friends (who turned her down for an LTR) and then she fucked the guy who lives down the hall.

I treat her like a dude now and I use her for free smokes since she thinks we're still friends.

edit: I've come a long way since then, it was a learning experience for sure.

I can relate, but really, when you've gotten very into game, it essentially becomes a part of who you actually are; it starts coming naturally, it's not just a facade that you put up to get attention from the half of humanity without Y-chromosomes (or the attractive ones among them, anyhow).

Also, while I've always been prided myself on being willing to choose an uncomterable truth over a comfterable lie (incoming Matrix references), you don't really have to share my values to take the "red pill" (told you) when it comes to women. Just practically speaking, actually getting them and what makes them tick is a lot better than being an AFC who pedistalizes the opposite sex as divine goddesses that are uncorruptable, and whose wants when it comes to males are impossible to understand.

They don't call it "the red pill" because it's pleasant, but practically speaking, isn't understanding hypergamy preferable to being an AFC who gets screwed over by it one day?

Post: #33

I have an overweight female friend I go way back with. I said the following things during the last few times we hung out

- She said she doesn't see herself ever getting married (she's 28), but if she changes her mind later, she'll settle down then. I warned her that it'll be harder to find a quality guy the longer she waits because of a woman's market value declines as she ages.

- We were talking about online dating and I mentioned that I always check the upper arms in profile pics to judge how much the girls are hiding.

- We were at a bar when she pointed out a 2 set I should approach. I told her they were not my type. She kept pushing as to what was wrong with them, so I told her they were too fat. (she is fatter than them)

- She was talking about her new crossfit/paleo lifestyle which transitioned into talking about how much girls should weigh. I said I'd never date a girl that weighs more than me. I weigh 160, so unless the girl is like 6 feet tall, I should outweigh the girl by a significant amount

This all came too a head yesterday when in a group setting she asked if I would let kate upton (or any other supermodel) bang me up the ass with a dildo. Of couse I said HELL NO! to which she replied that I needed to work my "hatred for women"

Post: #34

Nothing new for me been short of cash for the past month, and didnt do a single approach just yesterday i went out again.
I called out 3 fat ugly cockblockers, that cockblocked the shit out of my friend and pretty much insulted him on his face. One of them wanted to pick me up later ?? I said no you are rude and need to learn some manners, then she acted as if i just killed her dog or something.. God damn how can this fat cows have so much fucking ego..
To top it all of an hour later my friends went and started dancing with all of them as if nothing happened..

What is wrong with guys in my country, fat ugly girls are no longer a sure thing, they have options now, i might just say that even more than 10s.
I kept an eye on the most beautiful girl in the club, and no one, 0 guys approached her in the entire night.
It amazes me just how much people want to salvage their ego, not just women, guys too. Talk about delusion
Lately i've been feeling disgusted by my friends, they have no standards, no guy codes, no game, no nothing. It's sad
Makes me wanna roll solo all the time

I guess that stuff about momentum is true, and also the no fap thing. I didnt approach cause i wasnt horny, and not even in the mood for talking.

Just so no one calls me out, im not trying to turn this post into a journal or something like that. I just wish that anyone that has gone past all this stages of game throw me some pointers. So far 0 bangs after learning game, i cant go out as much as i would like to because of money issues