Post: #1

Hey all,

I was philosophizing about the Game tonight and realized that there is a certain precept to all other Game concepts.

What I wrote down was:

The cornerstone of Game is being a very likable person

As in, other people enjoy being around you.

Roosh wrote about this in:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-two-things-tha...es-down-to

"...with having a presence that other people are simply drawn into it."

Call it animal magnetism, charisma, or Game. But you have to be likable for women to take you seriously.

What do you guys believe the cornerstone of Game is?

Post: #2

(11-21-2011 12:19 AM)Arcais Wrote:  The cornerstone of Game is being a very likable person

Disagree. There are plenty of likable dudes that never get laid. In fact, I'd venture to say that most "likable" guy don't have game. A lot of things come in ahead of likability: eliciting others' respect, admirability, accomplishment, charm, and creativity.

The cornerstone of game, to answer your question, in my opinion, is self-awareness (or, more broadly, the ability to size up any person quickly, including yourself). Without the ability to evaluate yourself you can't improve--which is what you should be trying to do constantly. Without the ability to read subtle cues from others, you can exploit openings and adjust to diverse conditions.

Show me the lamest beta-nerd in the world--with this one skill--and I can teach him some game (provided he isn't deformed or mentally retarded). The rest is just motions.

Post: #3

Arcias, Are you Greek? Anyway I have something to share here....

The actual cornerstone of game is getting passed the choke point. Which means asking for the Digits or pressing Isolation. When you can ask for them as easily as buttering your bread then you have reached the cornerstone.

Post: #4

Likability? Erhm. I know lots of guys that everybody loves, but get no pussy or are shackled to plain-Jane wives or girlfriends, because being overly likable often lends itself to being a pushover.

For me, both personally and in terms of a mantra, the cornerstone trait is Persistence. Let's be honest; an enormous percentage of men (think more than 99%) aren't born pussy magnets or naturals.

On naturals, what is a natural anyways? You could say it's a guy that's just always been good with women, but it's more accurate to say that a natural is a guy, who while he may have developed physically a little faster than his contemporaries, was just fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time when he was 12 or 13 years old.

And that's all fine and good, but for the overwhelming majority of us, some work is required to get from where we are to where we want to be. A typical beta, in the start will do some reading and do some approaches. At first he'll get nothing, then a bit later he'll see miniscule success, then middling success and then consistent success.

I did get laid before I started studying game, but it was lucky-bounce or 'I was running game without knowing it' style stuff, and when I started employing its tactics I was getting blown out hard, and actually right when I was near the breaking point of saying 'fuck it!', I met a cute, feminine girl who loved everything about me and was shattered when I ended it with her (my first suicide threat!). If I quit I would probably have married the girl I dated the longest, and that would have been a giant mistake.

Post: #5

(11-21-2011 12:52 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(11-21-2011 12:19 AM)Arcais Wrote:  The cornerstone of Game is being a very likable person

Disagree. There are plenty of likable dudes that never get laid. In fact, I'd venture to say that most "likable" guy don't have game. A lot of things come in ahead of likability: eliciting others' respect, admirability, accomplishment, charm, and creativity.

The cornerstone of game, to answer your question, in my opinion, is self-awareness (or, more broadly, the ability to size up any person quickly, including yourself). Without the ability to evaluate yourself you can't improve--which is what you should be trying to do constantly. Without the ability to read subtle cues from others, you can exploit openings and adjust to diverse conditions.

Show me the lamest beta-nerd in the world--with this one skill--and I can teach him some game (provided he isn't deformed or mentally retarded). The rest is just motions.

I agree totally. If Socrates had a game-teaching contemporary named Scrotumtease, he'd say the wise people are those who realize they don't know shit. And yes, I know that whole statement was contrived just to make the scrotum joke.

Post: #6

Meeting women.
You must be able to bring women into your life.
Whether it's for 1 second, 1 night, 1 year or 1 lifetime.

Whether it is through chance, because of cash, because of fame, because of "game", because they do warm approaches, cold approaches, or they have a situation where women approach them, whether they meet hardly any women or meet 10,000 a year, swingers, naturals, routine-guys, alpha guys, frat guys, party guys, club guys, day game guys, night game guys, dumb guys, totally self-unaware guys, cool guys, rich guys, poor guys, powerful guys... The one thing that ALL guys who are considered "successful" with women share in common is that they know how to meet women.

If you can't meet women then pretty much nothing you do will work.
If you can meet women then you can figure out how to have "success" doing just about anything.

Obviously, depending on your goals and needs you might have to change HOW you actually meet women and/or meet a whole lot more. Different actions yield different results. But the constant variable remains the same -> You must meet women.

I'm no rocket surgeon but I believe the cause and effect ladder goes something like this: Meet -> Ask for Her Number -> Go to Fleetwood Mac Concert -> Refuse to Pay for Her Abortion -> Tell Her You're Moving to Thailand to Become a Tibetan Monk -> Get Caught in Lie -> Watch Seinfeld Re-Run -> Cake -> Rinse & Repeat.

You can't do any of that unless you meet her first.

Post: #7

(11-21-2011 12:19 AM)Arcais Wrote:  The cornerstone of Game is being a very likable person

Not true at all.

I can take myself as an example. My personality is pretty crass and leaves a lot to be desired, when it serves me I'm a snob and ruthless. I can be a loner and occasionally spend an entire weekend during the winters just playing computer games and sipping Cuba Libré. Hasn't stopped me from recruiting talent of all kinds and shapes, from all across the globe. The thing with personality is that it is something easily changed in the eye of the beholder. I have a couple of personas I can switch between, flexibility will get you more ahead than crafting one "perfect" personality.

Also, some of the most desired men on the planet (by women) are anti-social elements, outside the law, - violent and utterly without remorse.

Post: #8

I find I'm most successful when I actually don't force myself to go out. When I only go out if I feel like, whether I have some girls in the stable or I'm in a dry spell. So that means I could spend the whole summer inside just building a new Linux box or beating my video games I bought the year before. I don't know why these so called PUA's don't teach this as the number 1 rule. Don't go out peacocked with openers and DHV stories and all the shit unless you genuinely feel good that night. If you're stinging from the night before, or a string of unsuccessful nights out, don't keep going out cause that shit will show! Luckily I've set up a life for myself outside of game where happiness is a reality for me. But for other guys, I'd say Game is the ends, having a good happy life first is the means.

Post: #9

I don't think it's self-awarness either, because I'm sure there are naturals out there that have no idea about the inner-workings of what they are doing.

Charisma is probably the most important thing. The ability to gain the confidence of others.

One could argue that being present is the starting place of game.

Post: #10

I think the cornerstone of game is internalizing the concept that you are a Man, who must put aside any fear of approaching and accept your position and responsibility to Lead the vagina into submitting to you as the Man. It means shedding the woman's liberation inculcated fears and fallacies and understanding that no matter what women may say, they want a Man to be a Man that they can respect and follow. All true conquests flow from that, like the honey from a tingling vagina.

Post: #11

(11-21-2011 08:57 AM)Jack D. Serrano Wrote:  The one thing that ALL guys who are considered "successful" with women share in common is that they know how to meet women.

If you can't meet women then pretty much nothing you do will work.
If you can meet women then you can figure out how to have "success" doing just about anything.

Obviously, depending on your goals and needs you might have to change HOW you actually meet women and/or meet a whole lot more. Different actions yield different results. But the constant variable remains the same -> You must meet women.

agree. playing with what you got at your disposal and really executing it

Post: #12

I say its something like confidence or self-belief..