Post: #1

I was on a date with this chick last weekend. I ran totally flawless game IMO and I was able to get back to her place. Her LMR was just too great and anything I said or did was not gonna take it further. Eventually she asked me to leave because she was tired and wanted to sleep alone.

I am learning that their will be times when you will be doing extremely well but still will not get the ass. Its Frustrating. Especially seeing that sometimes when I put out Lackluster game at girls and got some.

Post: #2

Truth.

And this is something we all just gotta accept, you will probably get to hit her next time though, keep trying.

Post: #3

It happens, it's like sports, sometimes you feel off your game and you still manage to pull it out and sometimes everythings going right for ya and you still lose, you just gotta try to bring your A game and know that most nights it'll get you where you wanna be.

Post: #4

Raul,
I would also suggest you consider that you might not have entirely contributed to the decision. There could be a dozen reasons that she never mentioned that are weighing on her mind. If you've looked back, and can't find any mistakes with your game then I wouldn't worry about it.

The greatest trick women ever pulled was convincing men that good-looking chicks are rare. There not, and so you always have a new option.

Post: #5

You will probably bang her on your next date.

Post: #6

There are plenty of chicks that have ironclad rules against fucking on the first date. PERIOD. If your game weren't tight, she probably wouldn't have brought you back to her crib, even though she knew she wasn't going to fuck. She's definitely feeling you, and you'll probably bang within the next two dates.

Post: #7

On the flip side there are times where game you thought was weak ends up getting you the score.

Post: #8

Just to give background info. This girl was Ukrainian and on a student visa in NYC. It was a first date, so yeah i'll probably bang on the second.

Post: #9

(11-01-2011 04:42 PM)Roosh Wrote:  On the flip side there are times where game you thought was weak ends up getting you the score.

This is always a delightful surprise. You should change the subject line of this thread to: Sometimes shitty game is plenty.

Post: #10

You can't make conclusions of your game based on one sample: you have to consider your results statistically. Anything could prevent one girl on a particular night from sleeping with you that is totally out of your control, e.g. she's on her period, her best friend's cousin's dog needs stomach surgery and she feels sad, etc. If you fail to break through LMR with consistently then you need to reevaluate your game.

(11-01-2011 01:37 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  I am learning that their will be times when you will be doing extremely well but still will not get the ass. Its Frustrating.

You might not get the ass but could still get some pussy

Post: #11

Always keep a back up batch of whores for times like these. That Ukrainian bitch sounds like a head-fuck already.

Post: #12

(11-01-2011 01:37 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  I was on a date with this chick last weekend. I ran totally flawless game IMO and I was able to get back to her place. Her LMR was just too great and anything I said or did was not gonna take it further. Eventually she asked me to leave because she was tired and wanted to sleep alone.

I am learning that their will be times when you will be doing extremely well but still will not get the ass. Its Frustrating. Especially seeing that sometimes when I put out Lackluster game at girls and got some.

I read that you talk about great game, but how did you actually lead her to WANT sex and heavy make-outs? Or did you?

Did you caress her ass, start fingering her slowly? Did you do a bathroom check in your/her apt. to make sure your armpits, breath, balls did not stink? This is important!

You'd be surprised how LMR can be easily disguised as something that turned her off about you, like dragon breath, or smelly pits or shitty, cheap cologne! IN many cases, it can be the opposite where she just had her period in the last hour, and will obviously not tell you because she is embarrassed, or she is feeling constipated and can't wait to get you out of the house to take a massive shit! Disgusting, I know, but she shits just like you do!

Bangs don't happen because you "push" for a bang in her/your apt. It's because you led her to want to bang you by starting with heavy make-outs, and escalating (slowly) to very sexual touches including playing with her clit as the nights moves on.

Break-down exactly what you did, and we can give you better feedback on what could have been done better for next time.

The most important thing now is ....IGNORE HER!!! Seriously, make her regret not bangin' you when she had the chance, and when she does call you..tell her a girlfriend is cooking you dinner and you may not make it to her place.


Mixx

Post: #13

Heavy makeouts were plenty. Sex was mentioned that night because a Hot random chick approached us for a three-some at the bar. She wasn't into that. I dont know if that turned her off for later?

Personal hygiene was on point, I dont think I had a problem there.

I did get touchy but still not enough I guess. I tried to escalate but it wasn't working. She did not want her clothes removed and we were in bed at the time. She was ready to sleep on me. She kept saying, "Wine makes me tired". You would think the fact I got her to this point, She would "Know The Deal". I think I could have just ended up cuddling with her but I'm in this for banging not cuddling. So I just left.

Best Case Scenario that night: Amazing Threesome.

Worst case scenario that night(What happened): No pussy at all...Fml

One thing I remember her saying, "Oh I know how guys are and just want sex." Hmm..maybe she's been used for sex a couple times, so her lmr is even greater??

Post: #14

(11-02-2011 01:46 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  One thing I remember her saying, "Oh I know how guys are and just want sex." Hmm..maybe she's been used for sex a couple times, so her lmr is even greater??

Imagine this:

You see an incredible hot woman walking the streets one day, she is dressed fine, looks confident...and very desirable, yet you have no idea that she has been getting the shit fucked out of her for the last 4hrs in a hotel room down the street, and she just finished getting a cock out of her mouth.

Now, here you come, spit your best game, physically escalate etc..and she does not want to bang.

If she is sexually satisfied, then women turn to a guy who can now "emotionally" satisfy them. You have to make sure you feel her out, and see what the deal is.

Your girl still felt like a slut, or she was just sexually satisfied (I think the latter) and just needed what every woman needs on an hourly basis: attention.

If this was a first date, it's normal...and just keep on making out, trust me, make-out continuously until she cannot take it anymore and practically begs for sex....

HOWEVER, if this was a 2nd or 3rd date, call her out on her bullshit!

Her: Oh I know how guys are and just want sex."
Mixx:" Yeah, we do want sex, nothing shameful in that (let her know indirectly wanting sex is nothing shameful)...we want it just as much as women, but only with girls we find attractive; you think you got it?" (now, make her qualify herself to you in her mind)

She'll either start qualifying herself, or start telling you she does not want you for sex...either way, you know your answer, and can now act on it.

Mixx

Post: #15

(11-01-2011 01:37 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  I was on a date with this chick last weekend. I ran totally flawless game IMO and I was able to get back to her place. Her LMR was just too great and anything I said or did was not gonna take it further. Eventually she asked me to leave because she was tired and wanted to sleep alone.

I am learning that their will be times when you will be doing extremely well but still will not get the ass. Its Frustrating. Especially seeing that sometimes when I put out Lackluster game at girls and got some.

The mixxmeister is correct,but IMO just admit for any number of reasons sometimes the thong will not FALL-whatever you do. One of the reasons I laugh at the whole PUA crowd is their insistence every bitch can be mind tricked into jumping out of her clothes straight onto your cock.
In this case,though she was feeling you.

Post: #16

(11-03-2011 02:34 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

(11-01-2011 01:37 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  I was on a date with this chick last weekend. I ran totally flawless game IMO and I was able to get back to her place. Her LMR was just too great and anything I said or did was not gonna take it further. Eventually she asked me to leave because she was tired and wanted to sleep alone.

I am learning that their will be times when you will be doing extremely well but still will not get the ass. Its Frustrating. Especially seeing that sometimes when I put out Lackluster game at girls and got some.

The mixxmeister is correct,but IMO just admit for any number of reasons sometimes the thong will not FALL-whatever you do. One of the reasons I laugh at the whole PUA crowd is their insistence every bitch can be mind tricked into jumping out of her clothes straight onto your cock.
In this case,though she was feeling you.

Exactly. Dont believe this man, that would be a super power and not a skill we are all learning.

Just try spitting the best game you can at all times, but don't expect anything from it.

Post: #17

(11-02-2011 01:46 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  I did get touchy but still not enough I guess. I tried to escalate but it wasn't working. She did not want her clothes removed and we were in bed at the time.

that's why i prefer to go direct from the start and move fast to set the right tone. this means the chick KNOWS 100% that i will go all out as soon as we're in private place. so this is clear. this help to eliminate lmr almost completely cause unless she wants to fuck she will not let herself to be alone with me in private place in the first place. this way this "no, no, no" bullshit comes up in the place where we meet not in the bedroom. and this is great as i can talk to the next girl i like within seconds instead of wasting my time in the interaction as well as in the bedroom. basically.. screening