Post: #1

I came into this game, as most guys do, wanting to bang as many hot chicks as possible. I bled and bled until I reached the point where I could do so.

Lots of notches later, I find myself wanting something more. I no longer want to meet tons of new girls and manipulate all of their requisite psychological triggers to bang within a few hours. I want to engage in a relationship with another girl and enter the brain's deluded state of love. I know the supreme joy of "love" is ultimately evolution's way of making sure we can endure the laborious task of child rearing with another being, but still. I want to enter a state of voluntary delusion, if you will, rather than repeating the same bang and dump model. Wilt Chamberlain was a massive alpha that allegedly banged over 20,000 women. But at the end of his life, he died alone and said that he would have preferred to make love 20,000 times to one woman instead of constantly seeking validation through non-stop conquests. There are 3.5 billion women in this world. Many of them aren't hot, but even the greatest player in the world will only bang an astromonically small percentage of them. Charlie Sheen, a guy who has also slept with thousands of women, is ultimately deciding to pursue a LTR live-in arrangement with a porn star instead of non-stop anonymous hookers.

I don't want to go so far as to say that I can ever conceive of committing to one woman for the rest of life. However, I think some configuration of LTRs is ultimately the best compromise where you get a good balance of novelty, excitement, and mutual understanding. Women are just biological machines maximizing their rational best interest through irrational means. I don't want to hate them or degrade them even if we're all tempted to because they hold the power of rejection as the ones that are approached.

I also want to have kids one day. I know they can be a pain in the ass, but the narcissistic, self-interested part of me really wants to see myself reflected in another human being. I also think I'd derive an enormous amount of pleasure in guiding someone else on the journey of life and teaching him about all of the nuances of game, business, and whathaveyou.

Which is the superior man? The one who mercilessly pumps and dumps women, never exposing himself or committing beyond a couple bangs? Or the one who overcomes the lure of hatred and comes to understand and even love the absurdity and irrationality of women? The one who voluntarily submits himself to a vulnerable position in a LTR because, spiritually, he knows no being, man or woman, can break him?

Has anyone gone through a similar evolution in thought and game related goals?

Post: #2

Sounds like you should read into some Buddhism.

Been there, done that. Sounds like you should do the relationship just to get it over with. Having notched the player lifestyle and the LTR lifestyle, I'm back to the player lifestyle.

I may have relationships in the future, but I'll still game and bang pussy on the side. Or I may skip relationships altogether.

but seriously, read into Buddhism.

Post: #3

Charlie Sheen has actually been married twice and had children with both women (Denise Richards, Brooke Mueller), but he's fucked other women during and between each marriage, so I don't know if he's the best example. Wilt was the consummate bachelor, and maybe there are regrets at the end when you're too old to do it, to ask "What if?". I think that kind of reflection is normal, but during his life he obviously felt no regret. And we ALL die alone. It's a sweet notion to be old and gray, in the bed with the kids and grand-kids and wife around you when you close your eyes for the last time, but we all die alone. No one is coming with you.

I think there's something in most of us that tells us that marrying and having a child/children is the right thing to do at some point, if for no other reason, to leave a legacy and take on the responsibility of guiding another human being. There's nothing wrong with that, even knowing the probable negatives and what the endgame could eventually be.

Neither man is superior to the other. If our own fathers had made different choices, we wouldn't be here. And that's the crux of it - choices, and neither of them is necessarily permanent.

Post: #4

Nothing wrong with wanting a relationship mangadooza.Not everyone has the time to be out 5 nights a week chasing tail.If you meet a cool girl who you always look forward to spending time with then maybe you should partner up.

Just be sure to take out some insurance by hitting something on the side every now and again.

If you hate cooking and cleaning like I do,it makes sense to have a girlfriend to do those things for you.Just weigh it up in a costs/benifits equation.No shame in having a cute girlfriend on your arm.If she's sought after then she will only increase your value with other women in the long run.

Being single for too long a stretch lowers your social value imo.You become the perennial single guy no matter how many girls you fuck.Mix in a few LTR's here and there and you will not only meet more women,but some of those women will want to sleep with you next time you're single if you play it right.

Post: #5

(10-27-2011 10:14 PM)Magnum Wrote:  Nothing wrong with wanting a relationship mangadooza.Not everyone has the time to be out 5 nights a week chasing tail.If you meet a cool girl who you always look forward to spending time with then maybe you should partner up.

Just be sure to take out some insurance by hitting something on the side every now and again.

If you hate cooking and cleaning like I do,it makes sense to have a girlfriend to do those things for you.Just weigh it up in a costs/benifits equation.No shame in having a cute girlfriend on your arm.If she's sought after then she will only increase your value with other women in the long run.

Being single for too long a stretch lowers your social value imo.You become the perennial single guy no matter how many girls you fuck.Mix in a few LTR's here and there and you will not only meet more women,but some of those women will want to sleep with you next time you're single if you play it right.

Good advice here. To the OP, girlfriends are not always a bad thing. Just realize that if you spend enough time and energy with a girl you most likely will develope feelings for her. If that happens, Magnum's advice is sound.

Even if you don't want to bang other girls, at least make sure you go out and run some game, get numbers, make out if you want, make them want to fuck you. Don't loose that skill, many guys have to start from square one after a LTR.

I wasn't back in full alpha mode after my LTR, but I was better than a lot of my friends because I made sure to hang out with my single buddies and game women on the side. Never went past making out and the 'technical fuck', but regardless had an easier transition back into the real world.

If anything, put your emotions, with regards to your girlfriend, in a bubble. Realize what they are, and realize that they are nothing more than a biological / evolutionary response to your environment.

J

Post: #6

To each his own, there is no correct one way. Do what's right for you.

I rather have a LTR with an amazing women but until that point, I'm going to have fun

Post: #7

This forum will not help a guy seeking a soul sucking LTR. It's mainly about SEX and TRAVEL. Two things most guys in LTRs wish they could have more of.

Post: #8

Everyone gets there in the end, but like Wilt Chamberlain, by the end it's too late...

Post: #9

I dont see why you cant have both love and sex with other women. Kings and potentates always had their "queen" and their lovers or harem at the same time. Rock stars marry but they still go out on tour regularly. Sure, it's difficult to find a woman who will accept that role and a man has to be very subtle how he goes about it, but it is doable. In the majority of my LTR's the woman discovered that I had sex with other women. They just learned to accept that "flaw" in my personality.