Post: #1

in my experience..

if you have

1. looks.

chances are..you will get the girl easily..but wont be able to get along long enough if you dont have game.

2.game

you will often get laid...but for that you have to put lots of infact lots of effort and rejection.

3.money.

thats it...you dont need extra effort or ability...you just get the girl you want (98 out of 100.).

moral:

RICH guy always win !!

Post: #2

I could type out a rational reply... but I'm not sure you're worth the effort.

So in short:
1. Bullshit
2. What are you doing on this board?

Post: #3

In that case guys with game win.

In terms of scoring girls is better to have game than to be rich (unless is being rich and famous). However, if you have looks, game and you are rich than that is a whole another level.

I know this has nothing to do with the topic or what i said but that G manifesto phrase aint coming out of my mind:

'' I dont trip over pennies to make thousands'' somewhere around these lines..that shit was classic haha

Post: #4

my personal goal is to see if a girl will like me just for me when i'm not dressed up etc.

some time ago i noticed that when i used cash to get some girl (fancy dates or even etc) then she put brakes on everything playing good GF material "prize" role. i had enough. so i switched to fun & flirty "mr right now" and because of that i could much more easier push girls' adventurous side to the surface and things became much more sexy.

- looks gives you access to model/fashion world
- money gives you access to places & travels
- game gives you skills to meet & sleep with girls
combining these 3 gives you ultimate freedom

however if you want to sleep with girls right now then good game alone will do it.

Post: #5

My brain short-circuited just reading the OP's name in capitals...

Post: #6

(10-23-2011 09:16 AM)ANACONDA Wrote:  in my experience..

if you have

1. looks.

chances are..you will get the girl easily..but wont be able to get along long enough if you dont have game.

2.game

you will often get laid...but for that you have to put lots of infact lots of effort and rejection.

3.money.

thats it...you dont need extra effort or ability...you just get the girl you want (98 out of 100.).

moral:

RICH guy always win !!

I know a dozen millionaire doctors and lawyers that cannot get laid if there life depended on it.

moral:

Being rich isn't enough.

Absolutely horrible post by the OP.

Post: #7

I understand building up a lifestyle, personality, and personal appearance go hand in hand with game, but there've been a lot of threads lately that keep questioning it against the other two. These threads should either go in the everything else section or be posted on an existed thread, lets not repeat something thats already been explained countless times.

Post: #8

Depends how rich, and in which country.

In pretty much any country in Eastern Europe, The Baltics, or Central Europe, if you can pull in just 250,000 euros a year while putting in a 20-30 hour work week, then your pipeline of women will be infinite and limited only by the time you're willing to put in. Average looks with average game (in other words, where you're not actively sabotaging yourself) is enough to live the life of a modern day playboy.

Post: #9

(10-23-2011 11:51 AM)subutai Wrote:  Depends how rich, and in which country.

In pretty much any country in Eastern Europe, The Baltics, or Central Europe, if you can pull in just 250,000 euros a year while putting in a 20-30 hour work week, then your pipeline of women will be infinite and limited only by the time you're willing to put in. Average looks with average game (in other words, where you're not actively sabotaging yourself) is enough to live the life of a modern day playboy.

You know what's funny...I came to EE/Ukraine with a considerable amount of money to spend. Because I am programmed not to spend money on women (living in NA most of my life), I did not know even how to use money to impress these EE sluts. Can you fucking believe that!

It's all good tho...still getting laid w/o spending. Can't complain.

Post: #10

Nice flat in a central area, some wheels , and the idea that you're sticking around for a long time is just about all that's necessary in my opinion at a baseline level.

Being able to afford nights out, splurge regularly on good food, and some surprise trips for two to sunny places in winter takes you to the next level.

Cash and creativity to organize private parties, sponsor events, rent out clubs for birthdays, etc is just extra gravy on top.

This would be in the capital. Go to a place like Poznan like Roosh, and they're just happy to meet a foreigner who has his own place and seemingly, "appears rich" because he lounges around not working and is a step-up from the unemployed rednecks working in the meat packing factory she's used to.

Again, this is assuming you have average game with average looks, and you aren't doing things actively to f*ck up your chances. This applies to a surprisingly large # of guys out there.

As an aside, most girls in this region aren't after gold jewelry or BMWs, unless you end up with a rotten apple. It's more about security and comfort, and a dash of romance.

Post: #11

(10-23-2011 10:36 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  I know a dozen millionaire doctors and lawyers that cannot get laid if there life depended on it.

moral:

Being rich isn't enough.

Absolutely horrible post by the OP.

I disagree, and a distinction needs to be made.

Based on my personal experiences I believe that money plays a huge part in a womans attraction. I have experienced it first hand. I also believe that there is no way game can get better results than real money or fame when it comes to landing lays.

Never in a million years.

However, it needs to be noted that there is a difference between having money and being rich. There are over 10 million millionaires in the USA alone now. Being a millionaire is not going to be the advantage most people think it will be. Its an advantage when it comes to maintaining a relationship, if thats what you want, but she is not going to spread her legs because you made 500k last year.

Look at how many households have a net worth of over a million bucks


In the USA, there are almost 500 000 people who are worth more than $30 million. So if you were worth $5 million but were a 40 year old, overweight, introverted chud, are you really the sort of guy who is going to be fucking playboy models?

Of course not.

There is a tipping point though.When you start getting into the realms of multi millions, approaching 9 figures, then its a different ballgame. That sort of opulence and lifestyle cannot be matched and these sorts of guys are very rare. Competition for them is off the chain. If you think you are going to out mack some guy with a private jet, super yacht and 8 different holidays homes, you are delusional. He could have a harem in plain site and the women would still suck his toes just to keep him happy.

The chances of becoming that multi millionaire are slim, and its far easier to develop social skills than it is to make 100 million dollars. Thats why you develop those skills.

Lets not kid ourselves though. Money is important to women. Looks are important to women. Fortunately they are not the be all and end all. I can also say that the only guys who dont think money matters were either born into it or dont have much.

Post: #12

(10-24-2011 01:26 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  I disagree, and a distinction needs to be made.

Based on my personal experiences I believe that money plays a huge part in a womans attraction. I have experienced it first hand. I also believe that there is no way game can get better results than real money or fame when it comes to landing lays.

Never in a million years.

However, it needs to be noted that there is a difference between having money and being rich. There are over 10 million millionaires in the USA alone now. Being a millionaire is not going to be the advantage most people think it will be. Its an advantage when it comes to maintaining a relationship, if thats what you want, but she is not going to spread her legs because you made 500k last year.

Look at how many households have a net worth of over a million bucks


In the USA, there are almost 500 000 people who are worth more than $30 million. So if you were worth $5 million but were a 40 year old, overweight, introverted chud, are you really the sort of guy who is going to be fucking playboy models?

Of course not.

There is a tipping point though.When you start getting into the realms of multi millions, approaching 9 figures, then its a different ballgame. That sort of opulence and lifestyle cannot be matched and these sorts of guys are very rare. Competition for them is off the chain. If you think you are going to out mack some guy with a private jet, super yacht and 8 different holidays homes, you are delusional. He could have a harem in plain site and the women would still suck his toes just to keep him happy.

The chances of becoming that multi millionaire are slim, and its far easier to develop social skills than it is to make 100 million dollars. Thats why you develop those skills.

Lets not kid ourselves though. Money is important to women. Looks are important to women. Fortunately they are not the be all and end all. I can also say that the only guys who dont think money matters were either born into it or dont have much.

My name is Athlone McGinnis, and I approve this message.

Post: #13

ok now it's time for my distinction.

if you really want to be "mr. right" and date and build promising relationship then this is truth:

(10-24-2011 01:26 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  money plays a huge part in a womans attraction...

this sums up the whole game vs looks pretty well:

(10-24-2011 01:26 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  Its an advantage when it comes to maintaining a relationship, if thats what you want, but she is not going to spread her legs because you made 500k last year.

to me meeting girls and having sex is just fun in the moment when both of you are excited and forget about the world as you react emotionally not logically. sooo.. chatting up a girl and escalating to sex does not require $$$. what happens after a couple of sex sessions though is another story cause then the logic kicks in. also it depends on your individual goals.

the real glory of social skills is that you can do good with girls in any situation/circumstances. like how fucking awesome it is to be able to meet have fun and get girls in different city or solo or in casual clothes or being broke at the time even. all because you know that nothing stops you and you feel amazingly free cause you don't have these beliefs that tells you that you need this this and this first to meet and sleep with girls. so fantastic

Post: #14

I don't get it. If you're using wealth to "win" insofar as you're depending on the presence of a Lambo or a mansion to persuade a girl to sleep with you, why not just turn to high end escorts and save yourself a ton of time for the same essential process of money leading to sex?

You can fuck all the 9s you want in Argentina for $200 a pop, or you can make millions upon millions a year to impress the same quality girl in a NYC club. I know guys that have lived like Charlie Sheen with daily threesomes and lots of coke for 10% of the cost. They all get bored within a month and go back to gaming normal chicks. Effortless sex with hot chicks isn't the ultimate end everyone thinks it is. Lots of fun is to be had in hunting rabbits with a sturdy rifle and a few close friends, fun that you miss out on if you bring an Uzi and just spray everything around you blindfolded.

Post: #15

(10-24-2011 01:26 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(10-23-2011 10:36 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  I know a dozen millionaire doctors and lawyers that cannot get laid if there life depended on it.

moral:

Being rich isn't enough.

Absolutely horrible post by the OP.

I disagree, and a distinction needs to be made.

Based on my personal experiences I believe that money plays a huge part in a womans attraction. I have experienced it first hand. I also believe that there is no way game can get better results than real money or fame when it comes to landing lays. Never in a million years.

However, it needs to be noted that there is a difference between having money and being rich. There are over 10 million millionaires in the USA alone now. Being a millionaire is not going to be the advantage most people think it will be. Its an advantage when it comes to maintaining a relationship, if thats what you want, but she is not going to spread her legs because you made 500k last year.

Look at how many households have a net worth of over a million bucks


In the USA, there are almost 500 000 people who are worth more than $30 million. So if you were worth $5 million but were a 40 year old, overweight, introverted chud, are you really the sort of guy who is going to be fucking playboy models?

Of course not.

There is a tipping point though.When you start getting into the realms of multi millions, approaching 9 figures, then its a different ballgame. That sort of opulence and lifestyle cannot be matched and these sorts of guys are very rare. Competition for them is off the chain. If you think you are going to out mack some guy with a private jet, super yacht and 8 different holidays homes, you are delusional. He could have a harem in plain site and the women would still suck his toes just to keep him happy.

The chances of becoming that multi millionaire are slim, and its far easier to develop social skills than it is to make 100 million dollars. Thats why you develop those skills.

Lets not kid ourselves though. Money is important to women. Looks are important to women. Fortunately they are not the be all and end all. I can also say that the only guys who dont think money matters were either born into it or dont have much.

Do you mind if you breakdown about your personal experience (the bolded part?)

Anyway, i believe it depends a lot on the context or situation you in if you have lots of money. You can be worth 50 million dollars and walk to a club and pull no chicks, however a guy with looks and game that makes 15K per year can go to the same club and pull a hot chick. If you have lots of money and you are not famous then you wont be pulling a lot if you dont have game, unless girls really sense that you have money when you approach them (that means that you will need to be driving a luxury car, well dressed and give her 3000 dollars for just getting her number) then they will know that you have money and you will have an easier time.

Money makes it easier, no doubt, but in terms of pulling women, its better to have looks and game...but money just makes everything perfect when you have looks and game.

Post: #16

(10-24-2011 03:34 AM)mangadooza Wrote:  I don't get it. If you're using wealth to "win" insofar as you're depending on the presence of a Lambo or a mansion to persuade a girl to sleep with you, why not just turn to high end escorts and save yourself a ton of time for the same essential process of money leading to sex?

You can fuck all the 9s you want in Argentina for $200 a pop, or you can make millions upon millions a year to impress the same quality girl in a NYC club. I know guys that have lived like Charlie Sheen with daily threesomes and lots of coke for 10% of the cost. They all get bored within a month and go back to gaming normal chicks. Effortless sex with hot chicks isn't the ultimate end everyone thinks it is. Lots of fun is to be had in hunting rabbits with a sturdy rifle and a few close friends, fun that you miss out on if you bring an Uzi and just spray everything around you blindfolded.

Firstly, you dont by a Lambo for chicks. You buy a Lambo because you want one. You dont buy a mansion for chicks, you buy a mansion because you want space for your 10 cars, your own gym, your own movie theatre and a nice big bar by the pool.

You enjoy your money too bro. Best hotels, fly first class everywhere, buy anything you want, personal trainers, personal chefs, domestic staff, etc. You dont get money for women, women come to you when you have it.

As for women? They all want the bigger, better deal. Just the way it is. The guy with money is just not going to be jumping through as many hoops, if any at all, and he has a steady stream of 9's and 10's happy to suck him dry just to enjoy a few weeks of his lifestyle.

Post: #17

(10-24-2011 04:48 AM)pitt Wrote:  Do you mind if you breakdown about your personal experience (the bolded part?)

Anyway, i believe it depends a lot on the context or situation you in if you have lots of money. You can be worth 50 million dollars and walk to a club and pull no chicks, however a guy with looks and game that makes 15K per year can go to the same club and pull a hot chick. If you have lots of money and you are not famous then you wont be pulling a lot if you dont have game, unless girls really sense that you have money when you approach them (that means that you will need to be driving a luxury car, well dressed and give her 3000 dollars for just getting her number) then they will know that you have money and you will have an easier time.

Money makes it easier, no doubt, but in terms of pulling women, its better to have looks and game...but money just makes everything perfect when you have looks and game.

Its not better. This is a self serving belief PUA's are trying to sell everyone all the time. Its like listening to a bunch of fat chicks trying to convince themselves that men will be attracted to them if they can get that degree and a good career.

Just like the bitch who clocks in at a solid 9 is going to have her pick when up against 6's, its the same with guys who have a lot of money. There is only so much your personality and understanding of women is going to do for you. Its a simple truth that everyone needs to accept. The greatest playboy in the world would not overcome being the hunchback of Notre Dame. Give him 100 million dollars though and he will be up to his elbows in pussy.

If you are rolling in it, and a few million in the bank is not rolling in it I mean real money, you are a 10. You could be fat, bald and 60 and you would drop down to a 9.75

Do you think he gives a fuck about picking up women in a club? Chances are he rolled in with a posse of bitches. Chances are he either owns the place or knows the owners. Guys like that have the kind of social proof you need to spend an eternity trying to build. Its on another level.

If he went in cold off the street, then he is dead in the water. Of course the good looking player is going to land that piece of ass.

Women are not after the MONEY, they are after the LIFESTYLE. They are attracted to the lifestyle, but also the power and comfort that comes with it.

As for my personal experiences, I have spent a great deal of time travelling. I do very well by Australian (even better by American) standards and I have seen in my own capacity what difference money makes to women as I have grown older. That is amplified when I am in countries where the average guy cant put food on the table and it gives you insight into the way wealthy people live and how much easier they have it.

I accept that women like money. I also accept though that unless the guy is a zillionaire, its not going to be that much of an advantage to him unless he brings more to the table.

Post: #18

Hooligan sums it up perfectly.

When I have travelled to these third world countries the days, now I understand what it is like to have money. The locals can not compete with me.
For all I know, I might be banging some else's wife in these countries. But the power of money as Hooligan says and the lifestyle is offered cannot be countered by any sort of super pimp psychology.

However, these men in OUR hemisphere, are a minority and so to the average simps, we are the dominant predators.

So let's eat what we can.

Happy hunting, lads.

Post: #19

HH, I guess we'll have to disagree.

Yes, money helps. Yes, money is important to women. It's value to women does change considerably depending on location and culture, however.

Post: #20

(10-24-2011 05:26 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  As for women? They all want the bigger, better deal. Just the way it is. The guy with money is just not going to be jumping through as many hoops, if any at all, and he has a steady stream of 9's and 10's happy to suck him dry just to enjoy a few weeks of his lifestyle.

All of this talk of money makes me nauseous.

I was just in a place where guys who are 35 years old (and completely out of shape), living with their parents, and drive a taxicab, have a girl that looks like a swimsuit model with ass and face to match, and this was common!!!

I would have to guess that the guys who are fighting to support this fact are the ones who just don't have enough money, and feel it is their biggest handicap!

So, sorry, I only agree that money attracts certain % of women in Europe, NA, Asia, Russia, and just about 2/3 of the planet. The remaining parts, well....that's what Risaralda & Caldas, Colombia and Northern/Central Brazil are for. What's the catch? You have to speak the local lingo of course! NO woman can get attracted to a man who does not make her laugh and can tease her in ways she can "get" in her native dialect.

YOU DON'T NEED TO BE MAKING 6 FIGURES TO GET LAID!!! You can go to a neighborhood in Miami called "hialeah" or "Little Havana" and see tons of (poor) dudes making minimum wage walking around with a fine, hot-ass cubanita who is on him like flies on shit!!

A guy mackin' the latest smartphone is kingpin! No joke!

The same goes for celebs. How did Jay-Z land Beyonce? How did Marc Anthony land J-Lo? Will Smith and Jada? It's obvious the women already had millions themselves!

Mixx

Post: #21

To be fair Mixx

Will Smith is an attractive dude.

Now Jay Z and Mark Anthony..... Those dudes are straight busted and dating WAY above their standards. And the crazy thing is it aint about money because their women are rich themselves.

This goes to show that women focus ALOT more on the personality than men do, and even ugly guys can get grade A pussy without any money leverage.

Post: #22

Luckystar -

"I know plenty of very successful guys with considerable money (net worth $1M - $100M)"

Damn.

You know a bunch of guys worth $100,000,000?

And people say I run in heavy circles.

Post: #23

(10-24-2011 09:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Luckystar -

"I know plenty of very successful guys with considerable money (net worth $1M - $100M)"

Damn.

You know a bunch of guys worth $100,000,000?

And people say I run in heavy circles.

I just need the right business plan, and I hope to leverage some of these resources. That will be the focus in 2012. For now, the focus is EE PSEs.

Post: #24

Loads of money helps when it comes to ACCESS to a lifestyle where you can meet lots of 9's and 10's .

What you manage to do after you have that access,invites,vip treatment etc is another case altogether.

How many super wealthy have you seen married to bog standard women...I've seen loads.

A lot of these guys are not into that "playa" lifestyle.
They're more interested in spending time with their business getting richer.
That's why so many wives of the rich run off with the gardener or personal trainer etc...cause they're bored!

Being successful in certain industries is going to give you more access to lots of beautiful women as well....fashion,magazines,clothes,photography,acting .....all professions beautiful women flock towards to make the most of their natural gifts.

If you're super succesful in the chemicals ,waste,timber business you're not in the same sphere day to day, but the wealth can still give you access to the venues where the beautiful hang out.

Post: #25

(10-24-2011 10:29 AM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  Being successful in certain industries is going to give you more access to lots of beautiful women as well....fashion,magazines,clothes,photography,acting .....all professions beautiful women flock towards to make the most of their natural gifts.

Very true. I know plenty of broke guys in glamour industries who regularly slam insanely hot women. They work and party around models all the time. They have access and they make use of it.

I also know wealthy guys (tens of millions near liquid) who barely get laid. I know one self made guy who is worth $100M+ - his favourite pastime is playing World of Warcraft. When he first got rich he literally took years out of his life to play. These guys are not interested in the playboy life and they don't do anything to parlay their money into bangs.

Money alone isn't a charm. Access and an attractive lifestyle are. Money can buy you both but it doesn't lead to them automatically.

Access is the key and you can gain access by other means than money - even if money means you have to work less for it.