Post: #51

(10-15-2011 05:26 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  damn man

@thegmanifesto and @el machanico, you were both by far my two favourite posters on this forum

now I find out you're both boderline simpin

that kinda sux

if that's what works for you though, then you guys should keep on doing that

but I'm never going to go that route. EVER. it's not a PUA mindset either.

@thegmanifesto I don't need to bring "fly females to restaurants to get more status there". That sounds ridiculous man. I think you know that deep down too. You can and will get money and be successful regardless of what women you have rolling with you. You know that right?

@el machanico Do you bro. If I buy someone a drink, they are buying me a drink too. If she's not my girlfriend, we're splitting everything. 50/50 thang.

To give you an example of how I operate and how I think most guys should operate, I spent $20 on lunch with a girl on a date last week. I paid for that. Then we decided to go to a movie straight after that cost $20 (combined). I looked at her and said "do you have $20?" she went into her purse and pulled out $20 and gave it to me to pay for the tickets. I banged her that night too.

I know rich guys that operate with the exact same mindset as I do too. In fact many of them are more strict on it than me because they want to make sure the girls are not just interested in them for their money.

I'd love to hear more from Roosh on all this. I can't really see him spending a bunch of money on a girl that's not his girlfriend / near girlfriend.

Rock, I move way to fast to even think about the money part when I'm out. I've been on autopilot for years. I don't think about how to approach and what to say either. It just comes natural.

Also when I go out I think that I'm in control of the entire venue. Thats my mindset. I can't change.

My dad was the same way. When he walked into a room everybody knew it.
If you ever come my way I will show you and it will make sense

Post: #52

(10-15-2011 05:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 05:26 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  damn man

@thegmanifesto and @el machanico, you were both by far my two favourite posters on this forum

now I find out you're both boderline simpin

that kinda sux

if that's what works for you though, then you guys should keep on doing that

but I'm never going to go that route. EVER. it's not a PUA mindset either.

@thegmanifesto I don't need to bring "fly females to restaurants to get more status there". That sounds ridiculous man. I think you know that deep down too. You can and will get money and be successful regardless of what women you have rolling with you. You know that right?

@el machanico Do you bro. If I buy someone a drink, they are buying me a drink too. If she's not my girlfriend, we're splitting everything. 50/50 thang.

To give you an example of how I operate and how I think most guys should operate, I spent $20 on lunch with a girl on a date last week. I paid for that. Then we decided to go to a movie straight after that cost $20 (combined). I looked at her and said "do you have $20?" she went into her purse and pulled out $20 and gave it to me to pay for the tickets. I banged her that night too.

I know rich guys that operate with the exact same mindset as I do too. In fact many of them are more strict on it than me because they want to make sure the girls are not just interested in them for their money.

I'd love to hear more from Roosh on all this. I can't really see him spending a bunch of money on a girl that's not his girlfriend / near girlfriend.

Rock, I move way to fast to even think about the money part when I'm out. I've been on autopilot for years. I don't think about how to approach and what to say either. It just comes natural.

Also when I go out I think that I'm in control of the entire venue. Thats my mindset. I can't change.

My dad was the same way. When he walked into a room everybody knew it.
If you ever come my way I will show you and it will make sense

I really respect how you handled that man.

All the best to you dude.

Post: #53

(10-15-2011 05:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 05:26 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  I know rich guys that operate with the exact same mindset as I do too. In fact many of them are more strict on it than me because they want to make sure the girls are not just interested in them for their money.

Rock, I move way to fast to even think about the money part when I'm out. I've been on autopilot for years. I don't think about how to approach and what to say either. It just comes natural.

Also when I go out I think that I'm in control of the entire venue. Thats my mindset. I can't change.

We all have different approaches to the game. I' m with ROCK on this one.

I couldn't care less what my status level is at a given location. I would never be of the opinion that paying for a bitch at a restaurant somehow would make or break me in anyway. That point for me is useless. A lot of these chicks are just as inspired to fuck a man ,who make demands that are otherwise seen as outside the norm.

Post: #54

(10-15-2011 06:08 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 05:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 05:26 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  I know rich guys that operate with the exact same mindset as I do too. In fact many of them are more strict on it than me because they want to make sure the girls are not just interested in them for their money.

Rock, I move way to fast to even think about the money part when I'm out. I've been on autopilot for years. I don't think about how to approach and what to say either. It just comes natural.

Also when I go out I think that I'm in control of the entire venue. Thats my mindset. I can't change.

We all have different approaches to the game. I' m with ROCK on this one.

I couldn't care less what my status level is at a given location. I would never be of the opinion that paying for a bitch at a restaurant somehow would make or break me in anyway. That point for me is useless. A lot of these chicks are just as inspired to fuck a man ,who make demands that are otherwise seen as outside the norm.

I understand that its a mental point for some guys. My head just isn't in it when it comes to food and drink. Maybe it's the Greek in me? We throw money on the floor of family members who get a new car for good luck and toss hundreds of dollar bills in the air on the dance floor when the band plays a song we like or a family member is doing a traditional dance.

Who knows?

Post: #55

I agree with this. It's all about principle. Any body (with money) can pay for a lizard's drinks and dinner.

What I am interested in is a man who consistently gets to slay lizards on a serious budget.

We are talking, no car (which means she picks him up or they meet somewhere with a transit system).

If he has no place (stays with his parents), means she takes him back to her place, they bang in the car or sneaks back to his room that he has with his folks.

To add to this, I know a guy from the Caribbean that used to slay lizards on a serious budget. Dude had no car and shared an apartment with his fam (brothers and sisters).
Dude had a mattress on the living room floor.

Dude would bring lizards home to shag on the living room floor.

Now that is a man I want to learn from.

Just by virtue of being a baller, one is going to bang lots of lizards if money is not an option, just DHV from taking them to nicer places.

In an environment, where dudes are spending left and right on lizards, a guy who goes against the grain and actually stays competitive, is the man I need to be taking notes from.

NBA players, NFL players, Hollywood cats never complain about getting lizards. Why? Cos money ain't a thang to them.

Post: #56

To respond to everyone:

This is coming to down to a "different styles" thing.

When I was younger I never spent money on girls.

In fact, I was one of the rare few that was in the black on dating girls.

I did this mostly out of necessity.

I was "a man who consistently gets to slay lizards on a serious budget." as Moma said.

You know what?

It got boring as fuck. And trust me, there were certain girls I just couldn't get easily with this approach (ie the type of girl that dates flush cats. This is a huge subset of fly girls).

Now that I am a flush, CASH rich Playboy of the highest order, I want all the girls.

And I have flipped it to where it pays off way more than anything I have done before.

I have tried both styles, and what I do works way better, for me.

Less effort, higher conversion and I swoop girls way faster.

I just don't have time to be playing games.

Unless you try both, you are in no position to make a educated opinion on both.

Ask yourself, have you tried both for years? Swooped 100+ girls using both styles? If not you are just yapping.

If you have, and you like to still play games over $12 cocktails, then that is your style.

And I have mine.

Again, I am speaking for myself, as you all know, my style is well documented and what I do is congruent with that style.

Post: #57

(10-15-2011 07:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  To respond to everyone:

This is coming to down to a "different styles" thing.

When I was younger I never spent money on girls.

In fact, I was one of the rare few that was in the black on dating girls.

I did this mostly out of necessity.

I was "a man who consistently gets to slay lizards on a serious budget." as Moma said.

You know what?

It got boring as fuck. And trust me, there were certain girls I just couldn't get easily with this approach (ie the type of girl that dates flush cats. This is a huge subset of fly girls).

Now that I am a flush, CASH rich Playboy of the highest order, I want all the girls.

And I have flipped it to where it pays off way more than anything I have done before.

I have tried both styles, and what I do works way better, for me.

Less effort, higher conversion and I swoop girls way faster.

I just don't have time to be playing games.

Unless you try both, you are in no position to make a educated opinion on both.

Ask yourself, have you tried both for years? Swooped 100+ girls using both styles? If not you are just yapping.

If you have, and you like to still play games over $12 cocktails, then that is your style.

And I have mine.

Again, I am speaking for myself, as you all know, my style is well documented and what I do is congruent with that style.

Now I know who to call for a ride on the G6!
It's all good, G, we all have our way to enjoy life. Hell, I think I at least put 3 squabs thru college. They knew me at the admin office .

Post: #58

(10-15-2011 07:20 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 06:08 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 05:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 05:26 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  I know rich guys that operate with the exact same mindset as I do too. In fact many of them are more strict on it than me because they want to make sure the girls are not just interested in them for their money.

Rock, I move way to fast to even think about the money part when I'm out. I've been on autopilot for years. I don't think about how to approach and what to say either. It just comes natural.

Also when I go out I think that I'm in control of the entire venue. Thats my mindset. I can't change.

We all have different approaches to the game. I' m with ROCK on this one.

I couldn't care less what my status level is at a given location. I would never be of the opinion that paying for a bitch at a restaurant somehow would make or break me in anyway. That point for me is useless. A lot of these chicks are just as inspired to fuck a man ,who make demands that are otherwise seen as outside the norm.

I understand that its a mental point for some guys. My head just isn't in it when it comes to food and drink. Maybe it's the Greek in me? We throw money on the floor of family members who get a new car for good luck and toss hundreds of dollar bills in the air on the dance floor when the band plays a song we like or a family member is doing a traditional dance.

Who knows?

El Mec, I'm with you on this one. We (Greeks) throw money around when we go out. I grew up with Arabs and they are the same exact way.

I don't ever sweat dropping $100 on a night out with a woman. Greeks are fucking weird like that...we throw money around like it's halloween candy if we're having a good time...just part of the culture.

Post: #59

Greeks! Original swagger! Who are we to dispute thousands of years pulling worldwide tail? It's a train that will never stop! The hardcores burn through thousands a night.. drinking and gambling then wake up make thousands and do it again with no sleep. Chain smoke, eat bread, soup and pasta without ever gaining a pound and fuck top tier talent without blinking an eye!........if you ever run into one of these guy watch them. They dress tacky and wear tons of jewelry . A site to behold for all!

Post: #60

(10-15-2011 04:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 03:12 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  ^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

You need to free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

I don't look at it as spending money on her.

I look at it as investing in myself.

Going to a restaurant with a fly girl gives me more status at a restaurant.

It helps me Lock the Place Down.

This in turn saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money when I take biz associates there.

Again, Don't trip over pennies to get to dollars.

This is the Higher Level of The Game I am talking about.

You should meditate on this for a while.

(10-15-2011 07:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  To respond to everyone:

This is coming to down to a "different styles" thing.

When I was younger I never spent money on girls.

In fact, I was one of the rare few that was in the black on dating girls.

I did this mostly out of necessity.

I was "a man who consistently gets to slay lizards on a serious budget." as Moma said.

You know what?

It got boring as fuck. And trust me, there were certain girls I just couldn't get easily with this approach (ie the type of girl that dates flush cats. This is a huge subset of fly girls).

Now that I am a flush, CASH rich Playboy of the highest order, I want all the girls.

And I have flipped it to where it pays off way more than anything I have done before.

I have tried both styles, and what I do works way better, for me.

Less effort, higher conversion and I swoop girls way faster.

I just don't have time to be playing games.

Unless you try both, you are in no position to make a educated opinion on both.

Ask yourself, have you tried both for years? Swooped 100+ girls using both styles? If not you are just yapping.

If you have, and you like to still play games over $12 cocktails, then that is your style.

And I have mine.

Again, I am speaking for myself, as you all know, my style is well documented and what I do is congruent with that style.

of course throwing money around works better

which one takes more skill though?

banging chicks from throwing money around is like hunting with a bazooka. it's still fun and it's easier but there is very little skill involved.

Post: #61

(10-16-2011 02:28 AM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 04:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 03:12 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  ^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

You need to free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

I don't look at it as spending money on her.

I look at it as investing in myself.

Going to a restaurant with a fly girl gives me more status at a restaurant.

It helps me Lock the Place Down.

This in turn saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money when I take biz associates there.

Again, Don't trip over pennies to get to dollars.

This is the Higher Level of The Game I am talking about.

You should meditate on this for a while.

(10-15-2011 07:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  To respond to everyone:

This is coming to down to a "different styles" thing.

When I was younger I never spent money on girls.

In fact, I was one of the rare few that was in the black on dating girls.

I did this mostly out of necessity.

I was "a man who consistently gets to slay lizards on a serious budget." as Moma said.

You know what?

It got boring as fuck. And trust me, there were certain girls I just couldn't get easily with this approach (ie the type of girl that dates flush cats. This is a huge subset of fly girls).

Now that I am a flush, CASH rich Playboy of the highest order, I want all the girls.

And I have flipped it to where it pays off way more than anything I have done before.

I have tried both styles, and what I do works way better, for me.

Less effort, higher conversion and I swoop girls way faster.

I just don't have time to be playing games.

Unless you try both, you are in no position to make a educated opinion on both.

Ask yourself, have you tried both for years? Swooped 100+ girls using both styles? If not you are just yapping.

If you have, and you like to still play games over $12 cocktails, then that is your style.

And I have mine.

Again, I am speaking for myself, as you all know, my style is well documented and what I do is congruent with that style.

of course throwing money around works better

which one takes more skill though?

banging chicks from throwing money around is like hunting with a bazooka. it's still fun and it's easier but there is very little skill involved.

I am glad we agree.

F*ck skill once you have proved it.

I am all about effectiveness these days.

Once you have proved it to yourself, get some more seasoning, maybe you can sit at my table.

Who knows? Maybe I am buying.

Until then, get to work youngin.

Post: #62

(10-16-2011 02:59 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 02:28 AM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 04:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 03:12 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  ^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

You need to free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

I don't look at it as spending money on her.

I look at it as investing in myself.

Going to a restaurant with a fly girl gives me more status at a restaurant.

It helps me Lock the Place Down.

This in turn saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money when I take biz associates there.

Again, Don't trip over pennies to get to dollars.

This is the Higher Level of The Game I am talking about.

You should meditate on this for a while.

(10-15-2011 07:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  To respond to everyone:

This is coming to down to a "different styles" thing.

When I was younger I never spent money on girls.

In fact, I was one of the rare few that was in the black on dating girls.

I did this mostly out of necessity.

I was "a man who consistently gets to slay lizards on a serious budget." as Moma said.

You know what?

It got boring as fuck. And trust me, there were certain girls I just couldn't get easily with this approach (ie the type of girl that dates flush cats. This is a huge subset of fly girls).

Now that I am a flush, CASH rich Playboy of the highest order, I want all the girls.

And I have flipped it to where it pays off way more than anything I have done before.

I have tried both styles, and what I do works way better, for me.

Less effort, higher conversion and I swoop girls way faster.

I just don't have time to be playing games.

Unless you try both, you are in no position to make a educated opinion on both.

Ask yourself, have you tried both for years? Swooped 100+ girls using both styles? If not you are just yapping.

If you have, and you like to still play games over $12 cocktails, then that is your style.

And I have mine.

Again, I am speaking for myself, as you all know, my style is well documented and what I do is congruent with that style.

of course throwing money around works better

which one takes more skill though?

banging chicks from throwing money around is like hunting with a bazooka. it's still fun and it's easier but there is very little skill involved.

I am glad we agree.

F*ck skill once you have proved it.

I am all about effectiveness these days.

Once you have proved it to yourself, get some more seasoning, maybe you can sit at my table.

Who knows? Maybe I am buying.

Until then, get to work youngin.

your a cool dude G. I respect your gangsta.

"Get it how you live"

Post: #63

Ok, hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid. She wants to stop off at Waffle House to eat before a long night of intense sex. The check comes. At that point are you gonna argue over who pays?

Post: #64

(10-16-2011 12:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Ok, hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid. She wants to stop off at Waffle House to eat before a long night of intense sex. The check comes. At that point are you gonna argue over who pays?

how I'd play it is;

"I'll pay for this and you can buy me breakfast in the morning"

or vise versa...

Post: #65

(10-16-2011 12:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Ok, hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid. She wants to stop off at Waffle House to eat before a long night of intense sex. The check comes. At that point are you gonna argue over who pays?

I wouldn't stop for food... 9 times out of then that kills your shot at the lay. Tell her you'll make her pancakes at home. Keep pancake mix at home. Win.

That said, you should never be "arguing" over who is going to pay. If it gets to arguing over anything, you're already done.

Post: #66

(10-16-2011 01:16 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 12:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Ok, hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid. She wants to stop off at Waffle House to eat before a long night of intense sex. The check comes. At that point are you gonna argue over who pays?

I wouldn't stop for food... 9 times out of then that kills your shot at the lay. Tell her you'll make her pancakes at home. Keep pancake mix at home. Win.

That said, you should never be "arguing" over who is going to pay. If it gets to arguing over anything, you're already done.

Ok, hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life.

You take a $3 cab ride up the hill to your apartment and your bed.

At that point are you gonna argue over who pays?

Post: #67

Ok that's a bad example. The Awful Waffle has cost me bangs. Let's try something else.

Here's a real world situation:

The other night I tried to game 3 Hooters chicks. The bar shut down early, and at last call I opened with, "Where's the next place to party"? The girl immediately replied "We're going to X Lounge. Why, are you buying rounds?"

I turned away and ignored them. Think about this situation and how you would handled it. I'll let Emech respond. He schooled me the next morning with how it should have been handled.

Post: #68

Haha. I told him he should of said sure you drive I'll buy. Once you got to the next place you could make the decision whether you want to hang with them or not. Three hot girls and enough time in their car to spit game is worth the cost of a round which a cab would have cost the same amount.

Post: #69

(10-16-2011 01:47 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Haha. I told him he should of said sure you drive I'll buy. Once you got to the next place you could make the decision whether you want to hang with them or not. Three hot girls and enough time in their car to spit game is worth the cost of a round which a cab would have cost the same amount.

Bingo.

Right answer.

Plus, the free ride saved you a $10,000 dui.

So essentially, you are approximately $9,964 in the black.

Ok, another hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life.

She is at your apartment, half undressed.

She accidentally spills some wine on your carpet.

At that point are you going to present her with a carpet cleaning bill?

Because it would be "simping" if you didn't, right?

Post: #70

Are you guys afraid of girls sticking you with a $20 dollar dinner plate? To the point of splitting the bill? That sounds insecure and standoffish. I can in no way shape form or fashion see how that will help anyone get laid. Look at what happened with me and the Hooters girls. I had already pegged them as golddiggers, which is why I didn't bite. Wrong mindset. Missed opportunity. I didn't think about getting a ride from them either. The bar they went to was a DUI hotspot. Epic fail on my part. The one girl was calender quality.

I've never asked the waiter to bring separate checks or split the bar tab. That's some Fred Sanford game if you do. I pay. If you game a girl correctly and fuck her proper, she'll start picking up tabs. Now you've earned your money back, if that's what you're worried about.

If you're worried about it because of your financial situation, then stop thinking about pussy and work on your career.

And if she turns out to be a golddigger, remember this rule:
"First time shame on her, second time shame on you."

Last week a girl paid a $30 bar tab, then drove me to her house.

Post: #71

(10-16-2011 01:24 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Ok, hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life.

You take a $3 cab ride up the hill to your apartment and your bed.

At that point are you gonna argue over who pays?

honestly, if your game is tight (and I know yours is) - then it shouldn't matter...

a simple "babe can you get this..." or "pay the taxi babe" would work

I've had girls pay for my bus ticket on our way home to sleep with me for the first time as a similar equivalent and a simple "can I use your ticket babe..." or "buy me one too babe..." has worked every time I've tried it

Post: #72

You two seem to be missing the point, and you're shi**ing on game that works for other guys. There are ways to tactfully avoid these situations, or any awkwardness arising from them should they occur (see rockdaspot's comment above).

There is no one type of game that works. Be you, but don't criticize someone else for their methods if it works. We are all different people in very different places in our lives.

Post: #73

Ok, one more hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

She is at your apartment, fully naked.

She starts giving you a blower, but she gets some lipstick on your slacks.

At that point are you going to present her with a dry cleaning bill?

Because it would be "simping" if you didn't, right?

And you wouldn't be a true "player" unless you collected in full right?

Because she would be getting over on you, right?

I am just trying to keep this all straight.

Post: #74

(10-16-2011 03:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Ok, one more hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

She is at your apartment, fully naked.

She starts giving you a blower, but she gets some lipstick on your slacks.

At that point are you going to present her with a dry cleaning bill?

Because it would be "simping" if you didn't, right?

And you wouldn't be a true "player" unless you collected in full right?

Because she would be getting over on you, right?

I am just trying to keep this all straight.

easily

"damn girl, now you gotta but me some new pants tomorrow too... *she laughs* now keep going babe..."

on a future date, take her to the mall and choose a pair of pants twice as expensive as the old ones and get her to happily pay for it...

done

Post: #75

Ok, last hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

She is at your apartment, fully naked.

You are in DC and it is winter time. You are running the heat.

At that point are you going to present her pro-rated heating bill for the time you expect her to be taking advantage of your heat?

Because it would be "simping" if you didn't, right?

And you wouldn't be a true "player" unless you collected in full right?

Because she would be getting over on you, right?

I am just trying to keep this all straight.

I think I am getting this.