Post: #1

Anyone else have issues staying asleep after a night of hard drinking? I read this is a pretty common side effect and explains why i usually get 3 or 4 hours of sleep when i go to bed drunk. I always wake up early as fuck and it messes up my night game since im tired and low energy. I used to take advil PM but that shit stopped working. I read about lunesta, ambien, and doxepin but the alcohol interactions seem too risky. Anyone have any suggestions for how to sleep longer? Drinking less is not an option for me.

Post: #2

Drink less or sleep better. You can only pick one.

Post: #3

Yes, this is a well known side effect of alcohol especially as you get older.

Post: #4

Yes. I have had shit insomnia for ~15 years, which is incredibly worse the more I drink. If I drink to the point of getting drunk I 100% will guarantee no sleep. Even one or two drinks affects my sleep, that combined with getting drunk leaves me feeling terrible for 2 days now, even 4 drinks makes me feel like shit the next day now. Getting old has its cons lol, I sure can't drink like when I was younger and I'm only 30. Along with being clean of weed for 85 days now, I've recently made the decision to cutback about 90% on alcohol limiting it only to 1 drink in social situations. Sucks but the outcome just isn't worth the sauce.

Post: #5

When you wake up pop a double dose of melatonin.

Post: #6

Ya the toxic Acetaldehyde that builds up as you metabolize alcohol wakes you up. It's part of the hangover.

If you can't drink less, deal with it.

Post: #7

Yes it is common except for far northern places like Finland or Karelia in Russia. Drank a shirt on of vodka there while hunting but with fresh air slept like a baby.

Post: #8

When I go out with friends and get hammered whenever I fall asleep, I wake up at around 7 o'clock in the morning at the latest, whereas my friends can get proper 8h or even 10h sleep and thus hangover is much easier for them. Really don't know why I am so different in regard to this stuff. This is actually one of the main reasons why I avoid getting drunk. Simply to have normal Saturday or Sunday day and not have to deal with being tired and hungover.

Post: #9

There's not much you can do about it except cutting down on drinking or not drinking so late.

I've tried this product called Alcohol Defense that apparently speeds up alcohol metabolism and it seemed to help me sleep better, but I still don't really drink much because it's simply not worth screwing up my sleep.

Have you considered taking Phenibut instead of alcohol? I find it much more pleasant.

Post: #10

well shit, if i cant get no sleep do you guys reccomend a drug that'll at least keep me awake on saturday nights? Stopping drinking is a no go, i like to get fucked up and drink like 30 beers per night.

Post: #11

(03-26-2019 04:01 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  There's not much you can do about it except cutting down on drinking or not drinking so late.

I've tried this product called Alcohol Defense that apparently speeds up alcohol metabolism and it seemed to help me sleep better, but I still don't really drink much because it's simply not worth screwing up my sleep.

Have you considered taking Phenibut instead of alcohol? I find it much more pleasant.

The phenibut ive tried seems to have really subtle effects even though i usually mix it with alcohol. Maybe i need to get the power form.

Post: #12

(03-26-2019 04:04 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 04:01 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  There's not much you can do about it except cutting down on drinking or not drinking so late.

I've tried this product called Alcohol Defense that apparently speeds up alcohol metabolism and it seemed to help me sleep better, but I still don't really drink much because it's simply not worth screwing up my sleep.

Have you considered taking Phenibut instead of alcohol? I find it much more pleasant.

The phenibut ive tried seems to have really subtle effects even though i usually mix it with alcohol. Maybe i need to get the power form.

Depends on how much you take. I need to take at least 1.5g to feel it. If you take 2-3g you won't even feel the need to drink (and probably shouldn't). Also you have to take it on an empty stomach or it might not work very well.

If you need to stay awake try low-dose kratom. 3-5g of a stimulating strain is far better for staying awake than even coffee imo. A lot of people use it in Asia for getting through night shift work afaik.

But it goes without saying if you mix either of these 2 drugs you need to be careful and I would strongly suggest not drinking if you do.

Post: #13

Taking NAC (super cheap supplement you can get on amazon) with some water prior to drinking has helped a lot for me.

It helps clean liver / deal with impurities or something like that.

Post: #14

(03-26-2019 01:47 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Anyone else have issues staying asleep after a night of hard drinking? I read this is a pretty common side effect and explains why i usually get 3 or 4 hours of sleep when i go to bed drunk. I always wake up early as fuck and it messes up my night game since im tired and low energy. I used to take advil PM but that shit stopped working. I read about lunesta, ambien, and doxepin but the alcohol interactions seem too risky. Anyone have any suggestions for how to sleep longer? Drinking less is not an option for me.

What do you want man? It's like me making a thread asking how I can stop getting shocked so badly when I stick a fork in the electric outlet.

Actions have consequences... welcome to life 101

Post: #15

(03-26-2019 01:47 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Anyone else have issues staying asleep after a night of hard drinking? I read this is a pretty common side effect and explains why i usually get 3 or 4 hours of sleep when i go to bed drunk. I always wake up early as fuck and it messes up my night game since im tired and low energy. I used to take advil PM but that shit stopped working. I read about lunesta, ambien, and doxepin but the alcohol interactions seem too risky. Anyone have any suggestions for how to sleep longer? Drinking less is not an option for me.

While I'm not suggesting you become a hardcore stoner or anything, if you happen to be in an area where you can easily procure some 420, a perfectly dosed amount may actually help you get a nice night of sleep. Also suggest getting in a good workout (regardless) in the late afternoon or early evening at the latest as often as you can. Try to cut back on the drinking (kinda saying from experience, now in my mid-30's, and have gotten drunk wayyy too many times in the past. Now it is getting rare actually).

Post: #16

If you're drinking 30 beers a night, you probably can't go a whole 8-10 hours sleeping without getting the DTs. If you're not there now, you will be soon.

Better deal with the elephant in the room.

Post: #17

This isn't meant to be preachy, but drinking that much is not healthy, and your sleep is a lot more important than an artificial high. There's nothing wrong with a few drinks, but you should probably reevaluate how you view alcohol.

I used to be a heavy drinker and had a similar mindset to yours, and it was a complete waste of time. Life is so much better without it, physically and mentally.

Post: #18

I'm going through a retooling faze .I cut out drinking abput 12 months ago.

Just 1 drink of any type of alcohol drives me into a deep head fucking depressive state.

Im better off not drinking the goal is to be drunk on life now.I must be able to be drunk without drinking.
Before my divorce before PUA I was sober when I went out.

I found this poem which is how I want to be.



Be Drunk

Charles Baudelaire, 1821 - 1867

You have to be always drunk. That's all there is to it—it's the only way. So as not to feel the horrible burden of time that breaks your back and bends you to the earth, you have to be continually drunk.

But on what? Wine, poetry or virtue, as you wish. But be drunk.

And if sometimes, on the steps of a palace or the green grass of a ditch, in the mournful solitude of your room, you wake again, drunkenness already diminishing or gone, ask the wind, the wave, the star, the bird, the clock, everything that is flying, everything that is groaning, everything that is rolling, everything that is singing, everything that is speaking. . .ask what time it is and wind, wave, star, bird, clock will answer you: "It is time to be drunk! So as not to be the martyred slaves of time, be drunk, be continually drunk! On wine, on poetry or on virtue as you wish."

Post: #19

Take some Magnesium pills before you go to bed.

I'm not going to go in to it all here. But Magnesium is a very calming thing for your system. Not bullshit. Scientific shit. It works with nerve endings and whatnot. It's harmless and cheap. It also aids sleep.

If you are drinking for a few days on the go, don't forget to load up on a bit of Zinc too. Might need to take it with a full stomach. Zinc also increases your spunk count or wtf it's called. It's also necessary for nerve endings.

Alcohol depletes all these things and your ability to metabolize them in your body system.

Bump up your B12 too, and also your B1.

Even things like Vitamin C will help as well in secondary ways.

Then look in to other B vitamins like B5 and B9.

But you don't want to go too hog wild with all this. Stuff like B3 (Niacin) is the most nasty tasting vitamin ever. And that's its way of warning the body it is liver toxic if taken to extremes. It smells like nicotine! Disgusting. A little goes a long way.

Don't take Zinc with Magnesium as the body can't process both at the same time. And if you feel sick, just take with food. Sometimes I get the sick, sometimes not.

Shellfish and Zinc is nature's viagra - you will get a massive hard on and spunk like Super-Hans. You have been warned.

But more than that, it is probably the best anti-depressive ever in the natural realm.

If you only do one, then do the Magnesium before you go to bed at night, after food, or before food. It will prolong your sleep and calm your whole body.

It's also good for people who get tinnitus and whatnot.

It won't make a bad situation better, but it can make a borderline situation somewhat better. If you are healthy.

If you are very ill - It can also make a very sick person a whole lot better (relatively) in quite a short space of time. Relatively speaking.

I know that sounds like BS, but you have very little to lose and everything to gain by experimenting with these things. Just choose wisely.

Alcohol depletes the body's ability to create certain things like 'intrinsic factor' in the stomach. That affects all kinds of neuro-transmitters and hormones. B12 in this case, but it's all connected.

Also sometimes you don't want to drink water before you go to bed, it is better to be relatively dehydrated - you won't die! Water adds to the acid buildup and reflux for some people. You have to work out what works for you.

Of course I'm not going to tell you to drink less. That would be silly. You do what you want.

One thing though, and it's not ideal, but try and eat a decent half-meal before you go to bed. Noodles, eggs, simple stuff. It contains B vitamins in natural form and provides bulk so you don't get all acid. Then again, it can make your acid worse.

It really is down to the individual.

If you just stick to Magnesium and the few B vitamins I mentioned at the start of the post, you should be good.

Oh, and don't drink too much!

:-)

Post: #20

This is the issue...

Drinking does mess with your sleep, and when you drink a lot, it also messes with your anxiety. It makes you fall asleep, but you're not sleeping very deeply. You'll wake up tired the next day, and often anxious. Oh, and hungry.

If you need alcohol to fall asleep, my recommendation is this...

- Take 6 grams of Melatonin before bed. Right after you take it, turn off the lights. ZMA and NAC are also helpful before bed. (ZMA for testosterone production, NAC to lower anxiety).
- Listen to an audiobook on low volume until you're too tired to concentrate. Preferably with noise cancelling headphones.
- Keep your bedroom really cool
- At night, keep the lights dim. Install Flux on your laptop. Wear blue blocking orange glasses.
- Wake up at a set time every single day. I sleep in one hour on Sundays. Otherwise the alarm is 5:30am no matter what.
- Eat a protein / fat rich dinner before bed. I skip breakfast, eat a light late lunch, workout, and then eat a heavy meal for dinner with zero carbs except vegetables.

If you must, a glass or two of red wine a night won't kill your sleep schedule or fat loss.

Post: #21

I expressed similar conerns to my doctor. I have been drinking 1-3 drinks every day and also taking my prescribed Ambien every day for nearly 50 out of the last 60 nights. My doctor told me to immediately stop and by mixing the two I am risking death.

But anyways, I am waking up super tired and fatigued and then I drink coffee which is a disaster for me because I suffer from some mild social anxiety. This anxiety leads me to drink around 4-6pm when I am done from work and then the cycle continues. I should probably cut alcohol 90%.

Wine is the worst for keeping me up. Alex Jones on his show last week said wine is a stimulant and he used to drink it to stay up. He is not a doctor though lol.

Post: #22

(03-26-2019 11:39 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  This is the issue...

Drinking does mess with your sleep, and when you drink a lot, it also messes with your anxiety. It makes you fall asleep, but you're not sleeping very deeply. You'll wake up tired the next day, and often anxious. Oh, and hungry.

If you need alcohol to fall asleep, my recommendation is this...

- Take 6 grams of Melatonin before bed. Right after you take it, turn off the lights. ZMA and NAC are also helpful before bed. (ZMA for testosterone production, NAC to lower anxiety).
- Listen to an audiobook on low volume until you're too tired to concentrate. Preferably with noise cancelling headphones.
- Keep your bedroom really cool
- At night, keep the lights dim. Install Flux on your laptop. Wear blue blocking orange glasses.
- Wake up at a set time every single day. I sleep in one hour on Sundays. Otherwise the alarm is 5:30am no matter what.
- Eat a protein / fat rich dinner before bed. I skip breakfast, eat a light late lunch, workout, and then eat a heavy meal for dinner with zero carbs except vegetables.

If you must, a glass or two of red wine a night won't kill your sleep schedule or fat loss.

The optimally determined dose of melatonin is 300 micrograms not 6 fuckin grams that's beyond overkill. I assume you meant milligrams?

Post: #23

I have had this problem for years and the three things that help (but don't totally) negate it are:

1. Drink 50% less caffeine on the day I'm going to be drinking heavily. Caffeine and alcohol both interrupt sleep. Even if you stop drinking coffee before noon, that effect is going to stack and make it harder to stay asleep throughout the night.

2. If you're going to drink heavy, make it hard liquor, not beer. The volume of liquid in your bladder from drinking 10 beers is going to be a lot higher than 10 G&T's. You'll have to pee more, which means more waking up.

3. Start drinking earlier. Stop drinking a few hours before you plan to go to bed. Eat a big meal before you sleep. This can help alleviate the hard wake up halfway through the night, where you can't fall asleep again for hours and hours (or at all). Again, won't always fully negate it, but can really help.

Post: #24

I have never had trouble sleeping after drinking, however no matter what you will have absolutely terrible sleep when you drink. I have been a horrible drunk before, the definition of a binge drinker, killing 24 packs like it was water, finishing bottles off like it was cool, and at my worst only going a couple days in between binge sessions. The detriments to drinking sneak up on you fast. I am only in my early 20's and it has had major effects on me.

As for the sleep factor, even though due to work I am getting less sleep now than when I was drinking, I am much more rested and refreshed. Physically I am stronger and my head is clearer. I'm not knocking having a few drinks now and then, but if you are like me and moderation itself is a struggle be extremely careful. I can honestly say most of the worst decisions of my life were made when I was drunk. I have ruined friendships, relationships, job performance has suffered, I've embarrassed myself, and my body degraded much faster due to too much spirits.

Not on topic and I'm just preaching to the choir now, but I feel compelled to mention it. If only because I've struggled with addiction in the past.

Post: #25

(03-27-2019 04:29 PM)DChambers Wrote:  I have never had trouble sleeping after drinking, however no matter what you will have absolutely terrible sleep when you drink. I have been a horrible drunk before, the definition of a binge drinker, killing 24 packs like it was water, finishing bottles off like it was cool, and at my worst only going a couple days in between binge sessions. The detriments to drinking sneak up on you fast. I am only in my early 20's and it has had major effects on me.

As for the sleep factor, even though due to work I am getting less sleep now than when I was drinking, I am much more rested and refreshed. Physically I am stronger and my head is clearer. I'm not knocking having a few drinks now and then, but if you are like me and moderation itself is a struggle be extremely careful. I can honestly say most of the worst decisions of my life were made when I was drunk. I have ruined friendships, relationships, job performance has suffered, I've embarrassed myself, and my body degraded much faster due to too much spirits.

Not on topic and I'm just preaching to the choir now, but I feel compelled to mention it. If only because I've struggled with addiction in the past.

I am a weekend warrior, so never even have beer in the house. I dont even get the urge to drink on weekdays. But come weekend I like to get real drunk and sometimes coked out. Im not saying this is good, but im not completely irresponsible either.