Post: #1

This may have been posted before but here is an excellent article on the topic (as well as some other good related topics on the side bar)

http://themodernsavage.com/2009/02/04/ef...ing-women/

I've tried with great success. Both weeks I went without for 3-4 days I got laid that weekend (albeit one was a friend of many years lol).

In a place like DC where the women aren't exactly inviting and sexual energy is generally low, I think holding off for the week is absolutely beneficial. This city calls for heavy impetus and sexual energy, where girls are not going to meet you halfway.

Regardless of location, if you find yourself feeling very 'meh' about going out, or even more 'meh' about approaching a group of girls, this is highly HIGHLY recommended. It will probably be most useful for daily or multiple daily wankers. I also suspect this will be useful for guys who are smooth and/or good looking and simply lack initiative. It may be least useful for people who don't wank much anyway or people who are nervous/awkward/creepy around girls to start. The sexual edge will definitely benefit some and possibly may be a detriment to others.

I'm trying again this week. I will admit it's difficult. My goal is to make Sunday my wanking day, where I can go to town, and go stone cold sober the other days.

Post: #2

im doing it too.im trying to get myself into a mindset where i think that i cannot wank until i get laid.

abstinence from this sort of thing is a good thing for the mind,cold turkey is best....dont try and wean yourself off it eg ( watching porn without wacking etc) hahaha

Post: #3

(10-11-2011 03:45 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  This may have been posted before but here is an excellent article on the topic (as well as some other good related topics on the side bar)
http://themodernsavage.com/2009/02/04/ef...ing-women/

Too many incorrect assumptions there.

Quote:Regardless of location, if you find yourself feeling very 'meh' about going out, or even more 'meh' about approaching a group of girls, this is highly HIGHLY recommended. It will probably be most useful for daily or multiple daily wankers.

The obvious question there, of course, is "why". A cultural thing, probably - here in America masturbation is still considered "weak" - i.e. "something a real man wouldn't do". Another result of conservative upbringing, I think. In Europe this isn't even a concern.

Post: #4

(10-11-2011 08:11 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 03:45 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  This may have been posted before but here is an excellent article on the topic (as well as some other good related topics on the side bar)
http://themodernsavage.com/2009/02/04/ef...ing-women/

Too many incorrect assumptions there.

Quote:Regardless of location, if you find yourself feeling very 'meh' about going out, or even more 'meh' about approaching a group of girls, this is highly HIGHLY recommended. It will probably be most useful for daily or multiple daily wankers.

The obvious question there, of course, is "why". A cultural thing, probably - here in America masturbation is still considered "weak" - i.e. "something a real man wouldn't do". Another result of conservative upbringing, I think. In Europe this isn't even a concern.

Did you read the article? Your reply suggests otherwise.

He doesn't advocate completely quitting masturbation, nor does it have anything to do with culture. I guess you missed the chart on testosterone boost (do Europeans have different biochemistry)? "Why" is horniness. Horniness is an impetus to speak to women and have sex with them, which I believe is at least some of the point of this forum.

Post: #5

"The reabsorption of semen by the blood... perhaps prompts the stimulus of power, the unrest of all forces towards the overcoming of resistances..."
-Nietzsche

Post: #6

Jerking off is just too easy if your life is not working out .
Got to be focused and disciplined and try to upgrade your life .

We all fail and seek solace in the 5 knuckle shuffle but don't let it rule you!

Post: #7

(10-11-2011 08:11 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Quote:Regardless of location, if you find yourself feeling very 'meh' about going out, or even more 'meh' about approaching a group of girls, this is highly HIGHLY recommended. It will probably be most useful for daily or multiple daily wankers.

The obvious question there, of course, is "why". A cultural thing, probably - here in America masturbation is still considered "weak" - i.e. "something a real man wouldn't do". Another result of conservative upbringing, I think. In Europe this isn't even a concern.

Oldnem- I don't think abstaining from masturbation in light of this article is a question of cultural upbringing or what's considered right or wrong in America and Europe. It's more an issue of social health -- every time I yank it does that completely deplete my energy levels and indirectly impact my life? That is a question I've played with for years and have become a strong believer that limiting masturbation does indeed have an overall positive impact on my life - more energy, cleaner mind (from less porn) and overall more positive feeling about getting out there to score some quality ass.
Whether the author at the blog makes the case or not is completely up to the reader to decide, but I don't this is an American vs. European (or whomever) type of debate. It's more about health (social health, energy, positive feelings, etc).

Post: #8

I found it to be true in myself. When I get laid or masturbate I become lazier not just in pursuing more sex, but just life in general. I find a difference if I abstain for only one day. If I abstain for 3-4 days, I'm like a fucking lion on steroids. I go for the lay much faster and with more persistence.

Post: #9

I never saw this in the past (maybe due to just being young?) but I might give up fapping again, see how it goes, tomorrows Thursday so starting then would give me a few days of juice by the weekend.

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Post: #10

I can see it as being good if it motivates us to work out or do better at job, but not sure I like the idea of doing it so I'm more interested in pursuing women. Enjoyment is enjoyment.

Post: #11

(10-11-2011 08:29 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  Did you read the article? Your reply suggests otherwise.

Did you see the "too many incorrect assumptions there"?

Quote:He doesn't advocate completely quitting masturbation, nor does it have anything to do with culture.

Well, it does. Think of it differently: you're basically altering your body's biochemistry to attract chicks. Not very different from taking X before going out so you're more social.

Quote: I guess you missed the chart on testosterone boost (do Europeans have different biochemistry)? "Why" is horniness. Horniness is an impetus to speak to women and have sex with them, which I believe is at least some of the point of this forum.

You know why the girls here in US have such ridiculous standards comparing to the rest of the world?
Because thousands of guys are spending time and effort by hitting of them instead of jerking off at home. With this kind of mindset of "I'll fuck a fatty because I need the release and I cannot jerk off" you got exactly that - every fugly chick thinks she can actually have standards, because even though she broke every mirror in her home after she ran out of Prozac, the dudes have been still hitting on her.

I'm pretty sure if all the dudes in this country just signed up a deal to jerk off twice a day every day for three months, so they wouldn't have any incentive to hit up fuglies, you'd find out that the chicks attitude would change so significantly that you woudn't recognize the country. But this is only part of my point. What my point really is that you should jerk off as often as you're comfortable with. Don't make a deal of it. Of course obsession with masturbation is bad, as with anything else, but it isn't the worst obsession. And if you still want to do the change, check very carefully which kind of effect it has on you. For example, if horniness pushes you to hit on much more attractive chicks than you otherwise would, this is a positive change. However if it forces you to hit on anything which contains vagina - which sadly seems to be a typical American male behavior - then you're actually doing yourself a disservice.

Post: #12

(10-12-2011 06:45 PM)Smitty Wrote:  Oldnem- I don't think abstaining from masturbation in light of this article is a question of cultural upbringing or what's considered right or wrong in America and Europe. It's more an issue of social health -- every time I yank it does that completely deplete my energy levels and indirectly impact my life?

Well, let's be honest here. The health/hormonal effect on your body will be the same no matter whether you fucked a chick, your hand, a rubber doll or even another dude. The after-ejaculation health effects are triggered by the hormonal response, which doesn't care where exactly your sperm went to. The effects you are talking here are psychological, not health effects, and those are just inside your brain.

Quote:That is a question I've played with for years and have become a strong believer that limiting masturbation does indeed have an overall positive impact on my life - more energy, cleaner mind (from less porn) and overall more positive feeling about getting out there to score some quality ass.

Don't you think that you just replaced one fix (masturbation) with another fix (scoring quality ass)?

And if you think that another fix is more worthy than the first one, then did you ask yourself, who decided it really is? Are you sure you're not falling into the societal programming?

Post: #13

Hmm Oldnem raises some interesting points.

However, I think the interaction of a man with a lizard will always beat a fantasy object i.e. porn characters off of the net/vids/mags, blowup dolls.

Why? Because we gain something by interacting with human beings in a positive sense no matter how superficial the relationship is.

As long as feel good hormones are released, a human will take away a positive vibe.

For instance, a man who pays for 500 prostitutes and bangs them, will gain a more positive experience than a man who buys and bangs 500 blowup dolls irrespective of what culture they have been brought up in.

This is provided that the prostitutes don't slander the male during copulation.

Post: #14

(10-13-2011 11:25 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Well, let's be honest here. The health/hormonal effect on your body will be the same no matter whether you fucked a chick, your hand, a rubber doll or even another dude. The after-ejaculation health effects are triggered by the hormonal response, which doesn't care where exactly your sperm went to. The effects you are talking here are psychological, not health effects, and those are just inside your brain.

This is an overly reductive view, and completely untrue. The subjective experience cannot be quantified.

Set and setting applies to more than just drugs; environmental and situational cues affect every aspect of the phenomenological experience, including sex. Perhaps postcoital salivary-DHT levels would indicate that they are one and the same, but beating off alone in your dad's basement after a full day of Madden is not at all the same thing as plowing Claudia Schiffer after taking her for a motorcycle ride.

Post: #15

Quote:Don't you think that you just replaced one fix (masturbation) with another fix (scoring quality ass)?

No way -- I was jerking off much more than I was scoring quality ass.

Post: #16

I am on my third or fourth day without having ejaculated. I'm not really sure anymore. Holding it for this long has had some major physiological and mental effects on me:

1. I am much more angry/energetic/intense. I am not sure if it's because of raised testosterone levels or acute sexual frustration
2. Sometimes my heart beat thumps especially hard
3. I get erections in the middle of the night that are so intense that they wake me up
4. I am able to focus more directly and my physical movements are crisper. I feel more motivated to undertake responsibilities

Post: #17

It's all in your hand.

I mean, head.

Post: #18

I gave it a few days, just makes me... jittery? Im in agreement with OldNem as well. If most guys would stop fucking lowbrow women and just jerk off things would be better. Since joining these forums, digesting the red pill, and waking up to the world, I've missed probably three notches, but I let them go because pursuing them would be adding to this problem is giving fat women the time of day.

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Post: #19

(10-13-2011 11:18 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 08:29 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  Did you read the article? Your reply suggests otherwise.

Did you see the "too many incorrect assumptions there"?

Quote:He doesn't advocate completely quitting masturbation, nor does it have anything to do with culture.

Well, it does. Think of it differently: you're basically altering your body's biochemistry to attract chicks. Not very different from taking X before going out so you're more social.

Quote: I guess you missed the chart on testosterone boost (do Europeans have different biochemistry)? "Why" is horniness. Horniness is an impetus to speak to women and have sex with them, which I believe is at least some of the point of this forum.

You know why the girls here in US have such ridiculous standards comparing to the rest of the world?
Because thousands of guys are spending time and effort by hitting of them instead of jerking off at home. With this kind of mindset of "I'll fuck a fatty because I need the release and I cannot jerk off" you got exactly that - every fugly chick thinks she can actually have standards, because even though she broke every mirror in her home after she ran out of Prozac, the dudes have been still hitting on her.

I'm pretty sure if all the dudes in this country just signed up a deal to jerk off twice a day every day for three months, so they wouldn't have any incentive to hit up fuglies, you'd find out that the chicks attitude would change so significantly that you woudn't recognize the country. But this is only part of my point. What my point really is that you should jerk off as often as you're comfortable with. Don't make a deal of it. Of course obsession with masturbation is bad, as with anything else, but it isn't the worst obsession. And if you still want to do the change, check very carefully which kind of effect it has on you. For example, if horniness pushes you to hit on much more attractive chicks than you otherwise would, this is a positive change. However if it forces you to hit on anything which contains vagina - which sadly seems to be a typical American male behavior - then you're actually doing yourself a disservice.

+1000000000000

Not only do I find the whole anti-masturbation movement to be a counter-productive move (which, as oldnem mentions, only serves to further empower chicks who don't deserve it by encouraging more men to go after them), it also makes no sense to me. I think oldnem is correct when he states that this may very well be a cultural thing.

Only in Calvinist Puritan America is the act of masturbation such a big deal. I checked a section on reddit recently where guys were talking about the "no masturbation" movement, and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Guys spoke as though the very act of masturbation put the weight of seven sinful boulders on their backs. The whole thing was taken so damn seriously I couldn't even tell if it was satire (sadly, I'm certain now that it is not).

Don't even give me the "don't knock it til you try it!" argument. I've held off beating it quite often in the last couple of years, most recently this entire past week(computer crash). Most of the time it has been involuntary (either tech problems or travel), but I've had no issue dealing with it. There is no real adjustment. I jack off regularly = I'm fine. If I abstain for a time = I'm fine. Nothing special. Jerking off is not a big deal, so I don't make it one. Why would you?

Jack off as much as you are comfortable with. Such a simple act is not worth anywhere near the level of emotional turmoil I am seeing some guys put themselves through. This to me just shows that Americans have a fascination with self-flagellation, beating themselves up over nothing.

And then, as if there wasn't enough irony here, all they end up doing is putting the unworthy pussy back on the pedestal again, delaying their own gratification just to chase sub-standard chicks while using moralism to justify it. They'll say "I gotta go out and hunt, man! Gotta stay hungry! Gotta get at these women, that's what real men do! Not jerking is the right thing!", all the while his extra-horny ass ends up out there chasing and blowing up the egos of pudgy 5s and 6s at a club.

Post: #20

Interestingly enough, I find that when I jack off I actually become hornier. It's like a snowball effect for me.

Pretty sure ejaculation = a +in test levels, and a +in test levels = hornier. self perpetuating

personal anecdote, though

+1 to oldnems points. Never thought of that, but I will definitely mull it over a bit. I certainly notice when my T levels are through the roof (not that I monitor it lol, but after an intense workout for instance) that I become more attracted to less attractive women. Nature is using mind control

Post: #21

A brief review of the no-ejaculation tactic.

It works insofar as you receive a natural boost in testosterone. I haven't ejaculated in four days now and my hormones are through the roof. It reflects on every aspect of my lifestyle: I am more motivated, more readily take initiative, and I am physically energized.

Works well for game as well as far as opening goes, but sometimes I feel I would be more analytical in the midst of a conversation if I'd rubbed one out beforehand.

Post: #22

(10-14-2011 11:02 AM)Moma Wrote:  Hmm Oldnem raises some interesting points.
However, I think the interaction of a man with a lizard will always beat a fantasy object i.e. porn characters off of the net/vids/mags, blowup dolls.

Psychologically yes. But the OP was talking about health effects, and they are the same.

Quote:Why? Because we gain something by interacting with human beings in a positive sense no matter how superficial the relationship is.

This is where my opinion differs. In my current stage of life I catch myself more and more often that I'd rather jerk off than go through the hassle of fucking the vast majority of American chicks. Think of $10,000 Big Mac.

Quote:For instance, a man who pays for 500 prostitutes and bangs them, will gain a more positive experience than a man who buys and bangs 500 blowup dolls irrespective of what culture they have been brought up in.

Lol. Have you tried a good quality blowup doll? I've seen some amazing stuff in Japan. I would definitely try it.

Post: #23

(10-14-2011 01:26 PM)DLuzhin Wrote:  This is an overly reductive view, and completely untrue. The subjective experience cannot be quantified.

The subjective experience is purely mental and happens in your brain.
Technically speaking, all your emotions are just chemical reactions in your brain. Positive experience? Snort some coke which will alter your neurotransmitters. Out-of-body experience? Take some LSD, which will alter your 5-ht-2a receptors.

Quote:Set and setting applies to more than just drugs; environmental and situational cues affect every aspect of the phenomenological experience, including sex. Perhaps postcoital salivary-DHT levels would indicate that they are one and the same, but beating off alone in your dad's basement after a full day of Madden is not at all the same thing as plowing Claudia Schiffer after taking her for a motorcycle ride.

This is hugely subjective. What if Claudia Schiffer jerks you off in your dad's basement (but no sex) versus fucking an ugly fatty? Do you still put the same value in coitus?

Post: #24

(10-14-2011 08:28 PM)Smitty Wrote:  No way -- I was jerking off much more than I was scoring quality ass.

This doesn't answer my question.
Someone who starts injecting heroin once a week to get rid of alcohol dependency indeed changed one fix with another. It doesn't matter how much more you were doing things. If you were doing one thing to achieve the state, and replaced it with another to achieve the same state, you're just replaced one fix with another.

Post: #25

Here's the Greek take on this. This guy is a friend of mine