Post: #1

A High School wrestler in Colorado, apparently one of the best in his league, refuses to wrestle a female during a state competition.

Quote:A Colorado high school student forfeited the state tournament match rather than wrestle a girl during the match.

Brendan Johnston, 18, a senior at the Classical Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., forfeited his match against Jaslynn Gallegos, a senior at Skyview High in the first round of the tournament on Thursday, Feb. 21, KDVR reported. A few days later on Saturday, Feb. 23, he forfeited the match against Angel Rios, a junior at Valley High, in the third-round consolation match, ending his high school wrestling career.

The student cited his religious and personal beliefs for forfeiting the matches.

“It’s so physical... physically close. I don’t think that’s really appropriate with a young lady. It’s also very aggressive and I’m not really, I guess, comfortable with that,” Johnston told KDVR.

Johnston has never wrestled a girl before and also forfeited against a female opponent in the state tournament last year, the media outlet reported.

“And I guess the physical aggression, too,” the student told the Denver Post. “I don’t want to treat a young lady like that on the mat. Or off the mat. And not to disrespect the heart or the effort that she’s put in. That’s not what I want to do, either.”

Rios and Gallegos ended up making history after becoming the first females to place at the tournament. Rios placed fourth and Gallegos placed fifth.

Gallegos told The Washington Post that she understood why he forfeited.

“This whole time that I’ve wrestled, it’s just me trying to prove a point that I am just a wrestler,” Gallegos said. “And so the fact that my gender is something that kind of holds me back still is just a little nerve-racking, but I respect his decision. It’s fine.”

Rios said was disappointed by Johnston’s decision to forfeit, she’s hoping her story will motivate others to follow.

“I’m hoping it motivates them to be the best they can,” Rios said.

As for Johnston, he said he does not regret his decision.

“Wrestling is something we do, it’s not who we are,” Johnston told The Denver Post. “And there are more important things to me than my wrestling. And I’m willing to have those priorities."

The female wrestler appears like she is attractive as well. I give this kid props for standing up to something that was wrong, and as a result, will probably bring negative issues into his life for standing up to the SJW's.

How decadent of a society do we live in where this is acceptable? There is no way two hormone fueled 18 year olds of opposite gender can wrestle without it being sexually charged. I did Karate as a kid and there were girls... but it was punching and kicking and everyone went easy on the girls... not romping around on the floor together.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/colorado-...estle-girl

Post: #2

This has always bothered me. I was wrestling in high school around the time women started infiltrating the ranks of the sport and it drove me nuts.

This was around '95-'99 and the women who wrestled acted like they were on some kind of crusade to prove themselves. Why they would have thought it was a good idea in this particular sport, and why it was allowed when they had their own leagues for stuff like basketball and baseball was really beyond me even then.

While most were not much to contend with, some guys struggled to pin them and get the match over fast - obviously a very desired outcome - due to their low center of balance (they can thrash their hips for a long time to keep their shoulders from going all the way down at the same time if they are determined enough). In rare cases with a weak young man, he might get worn out and if the girl has enough stamina she might manage to flip him over and pin him later in the match. Usually not but it happens.

Wrestling girls is an extremely tough thing psychologically for a kid. People will get mad if you touch them inappropriately so you have concern about that. On the other hand, if you beat them too hard or too fast or hurt them people in the crowd or on their team will surely take offense - maybe even try to fight you - so you're weary of that. Finally, if they beat you or even just get a run for your money it's a crushing blow to your young ego and reputation.

There was one tournament we went to in high school when a kid got beat by a girl. It was the first any of us had seen it happen. We later heard that some of his teammates put a blanket over his head and beat the shit out of him for embarassing the team. It's more accepted now and kids are less hard than they were in that time, but still.

When you see teenage boys get beat by girls, the pain and humiliation on their face is heartbreaking. The thing is they are usually the youngest kids or the weakest kids who lose - so it doesn't really prove anything other than reminding the boy of his inferiority. Total dorks and outcasts at the worst - the bottom of the pecking order in their social circles at best. So you're often talking about youngsters who are already having huge struggles trying to fit in.

They turn to the sport to toughen up so as not to be picked on, or to prove their worth so they can fit in better. Some will improve and some are just a lost cause but you respect their trying. And then you throw them in a ring with a girl and they become the laughing stock of the team, maybe even school when word gets back. I have no doubt that many young boys who go through this quickly quit the sport and withdraw from the crowd.

I went back and coached a bit this last year at my old high school and there are more girls wrestling than ever. At smaller tournaments they make an extra effort to pair them up with other female opponents just to get them some decent matches they can win, and that's great, but the effort to do so makes the sham all the more evident. They are as much handled with baby gloves as they were when I was a kid. So much for equal rights.

A couple guys on my team knew how I felt about girls wrestling and I think it got back to one of the fathers. My bad, but I couldn't mask my disappointment that they didn't have their own league at this point, and I felt bad for my rookie male wrestlers when they matched up with a female. We had a moment later in the season when the guy's foster daughter ran out of the room crying after losing a match and I let her go do her thing.

The head coach was out of the auditorium on a phone call, I had other matches to tend to, and next thing you know this fat piece of shit was in my face screaming and whining because I wasn't out their babysitting his daughter. Why he thought that job was mine rather than his is beyond me, and as a coach, I don't think nursing the outburst of every kid makes any sense.

With males in a male sport, I prefer a tough love approach. As far as I've ever known it's ingrained in the culture. Go let the kid get it out of his system and then approach him in the stands or locker room later to talk about better way for dealing with their emotions in the future. To me this is unwritten common knowledge about how wrestlers support each other when emotions get too high.

I mean, try following a masculine man who has resorted to tears or exploded after a public defeat so you can "talk to him" and see how far you get through his emotional wall...

But because it was a young woman, presumedly, I'm expected to drop all my other obligations, leave all the other kids hanging, and sit out in the parking lot being her therapist.

The most sickening thing is this is exactly what the head coach did after he saw the drama that was ensuing and got off his call. He sat out there forever on the damn ground with her talking to her while she cried while I juggled his responsibilities inside. Fortunately, it was my last tournament of the season and I was off to Asia and able to wash my hands of the whole mess. I bonded with some of the girls on the team and admired their fighting spirit, but the whole thing is ridiculous to me.

There were some tournaments where I saw more talented girls in this smallest weight classes dominating their opponents, but for the most part they don't offer any real competition to capable male wrestlers. Around here this would be obvious.

Funny story: In my own early wrestling years, taking on a girl was nerve-wracking for all the things I mentioned, especially as a freshman still new to the sport. All the things going on in your mind - don't hurt her, don't touch her, don't beat her too fast, don't let her last long enough to become a threat, etc...

Well, one tournament I got sick of it and flipped a switch in my mind and decided to prove a point. I wrote about this on the forum before. I took offense to her putting me on the spot and so I didn't go easy on her at all, and in fact I competely humiliated her.

I didn't waste any time and this was the move I used to pin her:



If you're not familiar with wrestling they call that the Saturday night ride, for obvious reasons. It's an embarrassing display of dominance for even a guy to be pinned this way, and all your limbs are tied up so nothing you can do about it - was one of my favorite pins.

With the girl it was even more suggestive than in the pic as I was further down on her body (again, women have a lower center of gravity). Shiteating grin on my face and my whole team was laughing hard, God bless their wicked hearts.

I got pissed off scowls from all the parents and her team the rest of the tourney, and for the rest of the day thought someone might try to clock me. But it was worth it to prove a point and have a good laugh with the boys.

Going back to coach was a great experience to me, something I could have seen myself turn into a lifelong passion. It's very rewarding and working with kids wasn't so bad as I thought it would be. But after getting a glimpse of what it means to deal with these SJW staff in the schools and helicopter parents, I doubt I'll do it again.

Probably wouldn't be welcome back anyways because the principal, who I've known since high school (one year above me in school), has gone militant SJW. She has me on her FB and has gotten all emotional about some of the right wing stuff I post.

I'm not going to play pretend for them and keep my opinions to myself, so what can you do?

Beyond All Seas

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To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #3

Quote:Rios said was disappointed by Johnston’s decision to forfeit, she’s hoping her story will motivate others to follow.

“I’m hoping it motivates them to be the best they can,” Rios said.

Women and girls still pushing that all male and females are equal thing eh. Oh well when a male comes along with no fucks to give I'm sure it wont come with a backlash.

Post: #4

Excellent post BB. Not much I can add but I have some personal experience with this and your post is spot on.

Wrestling a girl is a lose-lose. Even when you win, you didn't prove anything. Towards the middle of my freshman year season, one of my teammates who had just started wrestling, lost to a girl. He never showed up again, quit the team out of embarrassment even though none of us gave him any shit for losing. The girl was pretty good and he was a rookie, but it just crushed him.

Post: #5

(03-02-2019 07:15 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  This has always bothered me. I was wrestling in high school around the time women started infiltrating the ranks of the sport and it drove me nuts.

This was around '95-'99 and the women who wrestled acted like they were on some kind of crusade to prove themselves. Why they would have thought it was a good idea in this particular sport, and why it was allowed when they had their own leagues for stuff like basketball and baseball was really beyond me even then.

While most were not much to contend with, some guys struggled to pin them and get the match over fast - obviously a very desired outcome - due to their low center of balance (they can thrash their hips for a long time to keep their shoulders from going all the way down at the same time if they are determined enough). In rare cases with a weak young man, he might get worn out and if the girl has enough stamina she might manage to flip him over and pin him later in the match. Usually not but it happens.

Wrestling girls is an extremely tough thing psychologically for a kid. People will get mad if you touch them inappropriately so you have concern about that. On the other hand, if you beat them too hard or too fast or hurt them people in the crowd or on their team will surely take offense - maybe even try to fight you - so you're weary of that. Finally, if they beat you or even just get a run for your money it's a crushing blow to your young ego and reputation.

There was one tournament we went to in high school when a kid got beat by a girl. It was the first any of us had seen it happen. We later heard that some of his teammates put a blanket over his head and beat the shit out of him for embarassing the team. It's more accepted now and kids are less hard than they were in that time, but still.

When you see teenage boys get beat by girls, the pain and humiliation on their face is heartbreaking. The thing is they are usually the youngest kids or the weakest kids who lose - so it doesn't really prove anything other than reminding the boy of his inferiority. Total dorks and outcasts at the worst - the bottom of the pecking order in their social circles at best. So you're often talking about youngsters who are already having huge struggles trying to fit in.

They turn to the sport to toughen up so as not to be picked on, or to prove their worth so they can fit in better. Some will improve and some are just a lost cause but you respect their trying. And then you throw them in a ring with a girl and they become the laughing stock of the team, maybe even school when word gets back. I have no doubt that many young boys who go through this quickly quit the sport and withdraw from the crowd.

I went back and coached a bit this last year at my old high school and there are more girls wrestling than ever. At smaller tournaments they make an extra effort to pair them up with other female opponents just to get them some decent matches they can win, and that's great, but the effort to do so makes the sham all the more evident. They are as much handled with baby gloves as they were when I was a kid. So much for equal rights.

A couple guys on my team knew how I felt about girls wrestling and I think it got back to one of the fathers. My bad, but I couldn't mask my disappointment that they didn't have their own league at this point, and I felt bad for my rookie male wrestlers when they matched up with a female. We had a moment later in the season when the guy's foster daughter ran out of the room crying after losing a match and I let her go do her thing.

The head coach was out of the auditorium on a phone call, I had other matches to tend to, and next thing you know this fat piece of shit was in my face screaming and whining because I wasn't out their babysitting his daughter. Why he thought that job was mine rather than his is beyond me, and as a coach, I don't think nursing the outburst of every kid makes any sense.

With males in a male sport, I prefer a tough love approach. As far as I've ever known it's ingrained in the culture. Go let the kid get it out of his system and then approach him in the stands or locker room later to talk about better way for dealing with their emotions in the future. To me this is unwritten common knowledge about how wrestlers support each other when emotions get too high.

I mean, try following a masculine man who has resorted to tears or exploded after a public defeat so you can "talk to him" and see how far you get through his emotional wall...

But because it was a young woman, presumedly, I'm expected to drop all my other obligations, leave all the other kids hanging, and sit out in the parking lot being her therapist.

The most sickening thing is this is exactly what the head coach did after he saw the drama that was ensuing and got off his call. He sat out there forever on the damn ground with her talking to her while she cried while I juggled his responsibilities inside. Fortunately, it was my last tournament of the season and I was off to Asia and able to wash my hands of the whole mess. I bonded with some of the girls on the team and admired their fighting spirit, but the whole thing is ridiculous to me.

There were some tournaments where I saw more talented girls in this smallest weight classes dominating their opponents, but for the most part they don't offer any real competition to capable male wrestlers. Around here this would be obvious.

Funny story: In my own early wrestling years, taking on a girl was nerve-wracking for all the things I mentioned, especially as a freshman still new to the sport. All the things going on in your mind - don't hurt her, don't touch her, don't beat her too fast, don't let her last long enough to become a threat, etc...

Well, one tournament I got sick of it and flipped a switch in my mind and decided to prove a point. I wrote about this on the forum before. I took offense to her putting me on the spot and so I didn't go easy on her at all, and in fact I competely humiliated her.

I didn't waste any time and this was the move I used to pin her:



If you're not familiar with wrestling they call that the Saturday night ride, for obvious reasons. It's an embarrassing display of dominance for even a guy to be pinned this way, and all your limbs are tied up so nothing you can do about it - was one of my favorite pins.

With the girl it was even more suggestive than in the pic as I was further down on her body (again, women have a lower center of gravity). Shiteating grin on my face and my whole team was laughing hard, God bless their wicked hearts.

I got pissed off scowls from all the parents and her team the rest of the tourney, and for the rest of the day thought someone might try to clock me. But it was worth it to prove a point and have a good laugh with the boys.

Going back to coach was a great experience to me, something I could have seen myself turn into a lifelong passion. It's very rewarding and working with kids wasn't so bad as I thought it would be. But after getting a glimpse of what it means to deal with these SJW staff in the schools and helicopter parents, I doubt I'll do it again.

Probably wouldn't be welcome back anyways because the principal, who I've known since high school (one year above me in school), has gone militant SJW. She has me on her FB and has gotten all emotional about some of the right wing stuff I post.

I'm not going to play pretend for them and keep my opinions to myself, so what can you do?

Seems like that pin is pretty vulnerable to a reversal if the person has any knowledge of how to remove those grapevines and bridge out. I can't see anyone who has ever been put in an armbar from mount extending their arms like that, either. But I don't know much about non-submission wrestling. Are you allowed to use submission holds like armbars in high school and college wrestling?

Post: #6

Having a boy wrestle a girl violates:

1). The Violence Against Women Act

2). The school district's own sexual harassment code

3). Possibly a local anti-violence ordinance or two, depending on where you live

One of the boys' parents should hire a good lawyer to go up against the school system and sue them for opening their son AND the school system itself to major liability cases and thereby damaging the boys' athletic/scholastic record by doing so.

It's a lawsuit waiting to happen if one of the female wrestlers claims "He touched my boob on purpose when he pinned me!" or "He was overly aggressive and it crossed the line into abuse!" By the way, the parents of one of these girls could make the same claims: "He was looking to harass/harm our daughter!"

Therefore, no boy -- and no school system -- should ever be placed on this potential legal landmine.

Because of liability issues, kids in school aren't allowed to do things like take Asprin or hang upside down on monkey bars. They're also not allowed to say or do a myriad of things to the opposite sex. Yet we're allowing boys to wrestle girls?

Calling all lawyers! Here's your chance to set precedent and make some serious bucks going against a school system.

Post: #7

He has no legal standing that I can see.

Sporting bodies are voluntary participation organisations. If they require you to strangle a puppy before you get on the mat then you can say "no" and then leave but you can't prove that they've deprived you of anything they owed you. They owe you nothing. Maybe your yearly fees or your mat fee but that's it at most.

If he participated and ended up with a charge or a civil suit from an injured girl then he would have a case. But he lost nothing of legal relevance and therefore has nothing of legal relevance to sue for.

IMO he made the right choice. "It's a thing we do, not who we are", he said. Smart lad. Who wants to spend the rest of their life remembering a sickening crunch underneath them and leaving a paraplegic girl on the mat?

"Did you really have to go 100 percent", would be the lifelong implication. Of course if it's even close then you have to go 100 percent, but few in the stands have any clue about that. Likely the only reason she was so high in the tournament was because guys didn't want to snap her like a twig and a brief moment of hesitation got them pinned.

Post: #8

I have a feeling girls that participate in wrestling are a lot like girls that are involved in surfing.

Even at the very top level, girls don't really care about actual surfing as much as they care about getting fucked by pro-surfers. Some of them aren't anywhere near as good looking as the normal girls pro surfers fuck, so they need other forms of access.

I think my theory is correct. These girls just want the eye of the top athletes at their school, so now they gotta wrestle.

Aloha!

Post: #9

I watched the US Womens national team soccer match yesterday. Its more pro-feminist crap. Instead of names on the backs of their jerseys, they had names of "women" who inspired them. The funny thing is there are very few women who have accomplished anything, and the few who have are unknown to these mental giants. So you have such inspirational heroes as Beyonce, Cardi B, and J.K. Rowling lol.

Post: #10

Quote:“And I guess the physical aggression, too,” the student told the Denver Post. “I don’t want to treat a young lady like that on the mat. Or off the mat.”

This poor, sweet, naive kid.

Wait until he meets his first grown woman whose been around the block and won't be satisfied until he gives her a piledriver then cuts her hair off with a rusty machete while screaming racial slurs.

Post: #11

Why isn't it split via sex? I always assumed that competition was M vs M, F vs F? I've only heard of male and female practices, might be different here in Canada.

Post: #12

My guess straight out of the gates is that they can't get enough women competing locally to form a separate league so the girls demand a shot at the boy's league otherwise the sport would be "exclusionary".

The fucking boomer idiots running these leagues really need to die of old age, pronto. Personally I would have started a parallel girls league and let the two whole participants battle for gold and silver respectively.

Good work, ladies. Everyone's a winner.

Post: #13

Great set of outcomes that can come from this. Boy wins, no respect given. Girl wins whether due to sheer skill or boy walking on eggshells/"taking it easy", boy humiliated. Girl is remotely attractive, two 18 year olds smashing together = boner, boy makes national news headlines as a sexual predator and a MAGA hat is probably involved somewhere.

Post: #14

This kid is a class act.

This is the perfect way to push back against the culture. Respectfully decline to participate without (openly) passing judgment on anyone.

What a utopia it would be if men everywhere just stopped competing with women in every way, saying that they didn't think it was appropriate, and that they don't feel competitive when it comes to women, that men and women are meant to complement each other.

And then take the consequences like this kid did, sending the message that personal values and morals are more important even than dreams or ambitions.

You would see the men of the world slowly opt out of the madness.

We could rendezvous in Idaho and run cooperative farms and learn how to ride horses and trek in the snow and build log cabins.

We could have blast until the women showed up with their heads bowed and groveled until we agreed to come back, but on our terms.

A very satisfying fantasy to have on a Sunday morning.

Anyway, I still think this kid is a champ.

Post: #15

(03-03-2019 01:13 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Anyway, I still think this kid is a champ.

The old way was to mock the male athletes for being afraid of losing to a girl.

A few more massacres at transgender-inclusive high school track and field events that don't require hormone replacement should sand that out.

Post: #16

(03-03-2019 01:25 PM)Jetset Wrote:  The old way was to mock the male athletes for being afraid of losing to a girl.

A few more massacres at transgender-inclusive high school track and field events that don't require hormone replacement should sand that out.

...and before some autismo Reddit neckbeard creates an account just to angrily misinterpret that as a threat, "massacre" is also a widely understood sports metaphor for winning by a large margin, as transgender females tend to do when allowed to participate in womens' athletics at the high school level because they're usually just dudes in drag, and possibly greater trolls than any of us.

Post: #17

(03-03-2019 01:25 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

(03-03-2019 01:13 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Anyway, I still think this kid is a champ.

The old way was to mock the male athletes for being afraid of losing to a girl.

A few more massacres at transgender-inclusive high school track and field events that don't require hormone replacement should sand that out.

The girls just need to stop being lazy cisscum and "Run faster". (Starts at 3:39)