Post: #51

(12-30-2018 03:27 PM)RIslander Wrote:  An interesting question to the forum and perhaps a mod can turn this thread into a poll thread:

What is more important to a man in life?

A. A positive relationship with a female companion, a family life, but no friendships with other men?

B. Negative relationships with women consisting of meaningless sex but a strong group of solid men whom you can rely on and routinely meet with.

That's a difficult question if you really think about it.

I can give you the Buddhist answer.

B. All day long.

Buddhism has a strong history of the single-sex principle. It is far more important for a man to have strong bonds of friendship with other men than to have much to do with women.

Obviously there is the monastic tradition where men are separated physically and live together but even groups as different as the forest renunciants and the lay peasants understood that men needed to socialise, hunt, worship, discuss and work closely with other men and women needed their own groups for their needs also.

As for men and women's physical relations, buried in the sutras is an exchange where someone tells the Buddha that one of his disciples, a rich young man, is keeping 'women for pleasure'.

In the context of the time that rich young man would still have done his business with other men, had close male friendships, male tutors and trainers.. the difference was that rather than marrying one women he was having hedonistic sex with lots of young pretty ones that he quartered nearby him to serve his needs.

Locals were scandalised.

The Buddha's response was - Don't worry about 'X''s practice, he's doing fine.. worry about your own.

Close male friendship and hedonistic relations with several attractive women for its own sake is not frowned upon in the Buddhist world view. Provided that the intention to socialise in this way is human and healthy and the mind states that result are human and healthy then there is no problem.

Post: #52

Can't remotely say I'm seeing the OP's idea.
It gives me horrific images of gay looking boydbuilders smearing themselves in baby lotion, while that gross French song "Sexy Boy" is playing.




https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-puking...if-3809968

However the topic does raise some interesting issues.

1)The frat house thing doesn't exist much outside of America. Its prob in the States because of under 21 drinking laws.

The frat house lifestyle isn't practical or desirable to many people after college age. You can't get mashed on drink and drugs all the time if you have a proper full time job. Plus its not exactly conducive to a family life or settling down with a hoe. You can also get a bit bored of the male pack type environment over time if you have too much of it. Notice how private boarding schools get decidedly weird in some ways - endemic homosexualism. Likewise in the armed forces with shit like the "biscuit game" (you probably DON'T want to Google it btw). Even in male centred cameraderie cultures like the military, men go towards married quarters life very young compared to civillian graduates etc.

2)The huge concern for me is how male and female culture has changed so much in recent times. In the past say British working class men would live in a culture of male cameraderie. Worked together on the building site/factory or office. Then it was pub (often every night), playing football, watching football, maybe gym too. The mrs would do the cooking and cleaning, walking the kids to school and daily shpping. If the mrs was working she'd have a male boss and certainly wouldn't ordering dozens of blokes what to do at work!

British people might be aware of the mini series by the Two Ronnies, called "The Worm that Turned". It was a comedy about a coup by radical feminism. We're basically at that stage now, near enough.

There's a massive loss of male jobs. Men are forced into effeminate jobs, women take masculine jobs. Massive numbers of men have a female boss, often a shit dykelike one too. Physical jobs are disappearing and replaced by call centre type faggotry. (Someone was telling me about one they worked in where all the bosses were female and the staff had to use a "script" which demanded they said 5 pleases and 6 thankyous throughtout the call, like some uberfaggot gimpboy).

Men are becoming household cleaners, the family shoppers, childminders etc. While the "mrs" is getting jobs like (LMFAO) "head bouncer" in bars, or director of some automotive or construction company staffed mostly by skilled males. The male environment is disappearing. And males are becoming subordinates to women who are taking roles naturally intended form us males. When males are signing up for the uberfag society they think they don't have the time or opportunity for male cameraderie pursuits even if they wanted it.
Even those "living the dream" of a "location independent lifestyle" might be locked infront of a computer screen all day, often at home. I'm not sure if thats the ideal, atleast long term.

So whats the solution? Whats the best option?
Firstly, I think men need a working environment thats healthy for men, and all that entails. Lifestyle from that needs to involve male hobbies and stuff. Personally I could never in a zillion years do shit like cleaning and cooking. Even if I was married to Jessica Alba, Natalie Portman and whoever at the same time. I want a woman cooking my breakfast and dinner, and one I actuallyw ant to spend time with. But I want time with male friends too.

Finally I wonder if there's another aspect to this. The guys who love the idea of a lifelong frathouse. Do they actually get bored of female company outside of screwing them? I must admit I do find some women boring, outside of that. But some I can spend lots of time dating them and don't get bored with. Sadly there aren't massive numbers of hot women like that about.

PS I agree with the earlier post, sometimes the idea male environment in the past was actually one with a harem attached.

Post: #53

I'm guessing you're like many guys on here. Your beliefs on women and relationships are different. You miss the glory days fo having a group to go and chase women but your friends that USED to do that are now older. You're a lone wolf and watch any documentary, it's hard for a lone wolf to survive and even harder for one to find a new group.

Your only option is to seek likeminded people and join a new group-Difficult
Give up your ways of thinking and fall in with the rest-Easy but unsatisfying
OR Become a true alpha male and start your own group-Very difficult but very fulfilling


I think the main problem OP isn't the frat thing, but the feelings of having a tribe and being masculine. You see all the guys you grew up with turn into little beta's who lived a "preset" life. Not doing anything outside the confines of the preset. You want a warrior life.

Im 25 and im going through The same crisis. I don't want to go as far as to live in a community of men, but I do desire a tribe.

You're free, and your friends aren't.

Post: #54

A while back there was some sort of thread with an idea for a "men's club" run/owned by forum members.
The idea was that you could go to a new city and have a place to stay and eat and spend your leisure time eg bar, gym, chilling out pastimes. Maybe even a co-working serviced offices type affair too. You could also be introduced into life in that city gradually.

There's certainly an argument in favour of such an arrangement. Although how the idea would be executed could be discussed at length. Over time, some members might choose just to use the bar/leisure facilities. Anyway, I think it would certainly be an intereting thing to explore. It would need to allow entry to hoes (no pun intended) but the feel of the place would be very much governed by men. I suppose separate mixed and gentlemen only common areas would be part of the solution. ANd ofcourse women would be allowed into the private rooms/suites/apartments or whatever. (Otherwise it would end up full of joyboys hahaha!!!)

Post: #55

(12-31-2018 04:42 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 03:27 PM)RIslander Wrote:  An interesting question to the forum and perhaps a mod can turn this thread into a poll thread:

What is more important to a man in life?

A. A positive relationship with a female companion, a family life, but no friendships with other men?

B. Negative relationships with women consisting of meaningless sex but a strong group of solid men whom you can rely on and routinely meet with.

That's a difficult question if you really think about it.

I can give you the Buddhist answer.

B. All day long.

...

Buddha was a deadbeat dad.

Post: #56

(12-30-2018 02:11 PM)Caduceus Wrote:  I don't think living together is a good idea as it sounds gay, but regularly meeting with other men without women around is healthy and beneficial for men.

For hundreds of years most countries had some form of gentlemen's clubs for established adult single and married men to meet and interact without women or children, but I think modern bullshit feminist legislation forced them to accept women as members at some point in the 20th century.

Once the women were admitted as members, then men realised these clubs and meetings had lost the main thing that attracted men to them in the 1st place, and they quickly died out and shut their doors, or became a totally different kind of organisation.

This forum is the modern equivalent of the old style gentlemen's club, and the only "safe space" for men meeting and discussing things that we have left in the world.

Some images from the old days:

Nearly all these men were married to virgin wives and
had families they went back to after work and socials,
so that puts the whole men's fraternity thing into perspective.

This lifestyle is still in place in some ethnic neighborhoods
(especially southern European ones), where you have clubs
and cafes that are exclusively male, except on Sundays after
Church, when families are welcome.

Post: #57

I like the idea of buying a small amount of land in a rural/semi-rural area, building a few modest homes (modular, shipping containers, other relatively cheap alternatives) and inviting men with similar values to lease them for 12 months at a time or more (in exchange for their labour or other contributions to building the homes) where they could raise families rent and mortgage free. Buy some agricultural land nearby or in the same place and become mostly self-sufficient.

Create a working model and then help other men build the same in the area. Pool resources, buy investment properties in the city, live off passive income...

I think communal living can work, it just has to be done the right way with others who share strong values and the same vision.

Post: #58

Most common all male living situations:
prison
military
gay commune
single room occupancy building for recovering drunks, addicts.
Enjoy!

Post: #59

(01-03-2019 03:00 AM)Guitarhappy420 Wrote:  Most common all male living situations:
prison
military
gay commune
single room occupancy building for recovering drunks, addicts.
Enjoy!

Lol gay commune. Gay guys and straight men who fuck a lot have quite a bit in common actually. Spent a summer with a gay neighbour living in my complex and it was great. We'd BBQ stuff and crack some beers and talk politics and the modern dating scene. Gay guys understand the lifestyle and don't cockblock or get bitchy. Most regular guys I know can't relate at all/don't believe such a lifestyle is possible and think you're lying or trying to one-up them.

Post: #60

Interesting posts on this thread. Lots of good and divergent thoughts.

I originally was doing a search for "fraternity" on the forum to see what would come up because the idea of a male fraternity who's connected online is what RVF has essentially become for a few -- it's our virtual "tribe of men."

By definition, a fraternity does not require a physical location for socializing. What's more important is a group of men, with a similar worldview, being able to come together to interact with one another no matter the medium. In other words, the fraternity defines the group and visa-versa. And, just like college fraternities, members can benefit from the wider social network. But how RVF members can benefit in the real world is unclear at this point as it's not an official fraternity as of yet.

RVF is, in large part, just a community discussion board.