Post: #26

(11-25-2018 09:28 PM)chicane Wrote:  Whenever a man shows any weakness or pain he will be attacked by men around him. This is the reality of modern society.

It's contagious!

Post: #27

(11-25-2018 09:28 PM)chicane Wrote:  Whenever a man shows any weakness or pain he will be attacked by men around him. This is the reality of modern society. This is also the goal a feminism, destroy any men who are not the epitome of alphaness. Some day that will be every one of the people here. I would rather be kind and supportive of those in pain.

Because a small number of men who have been abused for extended periods of time will decide to take the abusers with them when they check out. Our strength is in being able to work together.

You've brought up the elephant in the room. I don't know if you're insinuating that this guy has the makings of a mass shooter, I won't. But I'll go as far as saying that he seems unhinged and angry.

Do I have sympathy for someone that far off the deep end? Sure.

But you sniffed anger, so did I. If we sniffed it online, you think people don't sniff it in person?

Maybe one of the legends in this forum has been able to approach while angry and get away with it. Personally I've never seen it, heard it, or can conceive of it.

Positivity attracts positivity. And it's funny. The strategy you're getting at is similar to the dichotomy between the 'nurturant parent' versus 'strict father' family models. But I digress.

What are we supposed to do? Agree with him? Cry with him? Woe is me, all is hopeless, let's resign ourselves to involuntary celibacy? Of course not.

The simple question is... could he have done better. That is all.

If anything, my message, though critical, is full of hope. This 'end of times,' 'fall of the west' shit gets tiring. Adapt or die.

Post: #28

(11-25-2018 06:31 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I was a loser and awkward as fuck too but goddamn at some point you have to take matters into your own hands, Keep an open mind and figure out what the problems you are having are. Come here for help, get a wingman WHO IS BETTER and HONEST with you, and COPY other guys.

Grinding through 1000 approaches is absolutely retarded. Cold approach is great for calibrating and rethinking how you go about the strategy.

Single and available girls dont fuck you for two reasons:

A. Your game is garbage.
B. You aren't physically attractive to them.

If you don't have one of these two you will lose the girl. Balance here is the key.

Game is garbage? Break game down to steps and just trying to achieve one step after another until you get to the point where you can get the bang. After the date the girl wont call you again? You failed on the date... The girl wont commit to the date after you get the number? You failed at the point. when you got the phone number... Always go back one step and analyze.

Notice girls are repulsed by you before YOU EVEN GET A 2 minute convo? Your attraction is fucked up. If you are a tall, lanky skinny dude... get in the goddamn gym! and if you still cant gain... join bodybuilding forums, learn the ins and out of nutrition and steroids and do a couple goddamn cycles to put the mass on.

I know it more complicated than this but there are such whiners here sometimes. Its BRUTAL out there in the age of Tinder and I barely complain about it. I place the blame on myself for not keeping my SMV up in order to take advantage of the opportunities.. Not blame the world, society and everyone else for me not getting laid.

Here's the thing, a lot of these guys are "whiners" for the exact same reason that they are in this pit in the first place: Society does push them down that path. This resonates with me because the only thing that kept me from being exactly like this dude was the fact that I had a father that taught me to not be a pussy and not fall into the shitty disposable role that society dictates for a lot of men. I took this a bit too far and completely eschewed women for most of my life, but the point still stands.

Seriously, think about how much you need to build yourself up before women acknowledge you as an actual human being. Imagine what it does to a person to basically be told that he's not successful enough, good enough, etc to be loved? And that's where a lot of these guys come from; if just getting laid could fix the problem we'd have gone to a prostitute and been done with it. But I see people on this forum getting cut down for suggesting that external factors make it a shitty situation for them.

(11-25-2018 06:37 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  Save us the sob story. Read this post.

Short quote from the post:

Quote:Women want effortless attraction. They want a guy who is very attractive to them without any evidence that he's putting much effort into being that way. They very much value the romanticism of the "it just happened" kind of meeting, the idea that the guy was just there being himself and he was just right and he just happened to want her.

Even shorter:

No one likes a complainer.

Life isn't fair. Some people are better looking than others. Game is HARD. Hard AF. We get it. Everyone gets it. If you hang on to that belief for life, it will only bring you down.

I won't focus on you, just on Incel Jesus 1000.

Did he absolutely max himself out when it comes to attractiveness?
Did he do those approaches in good faith?
Did he learn something useful from those approaches, such that he modified his approach in an effort to get laid?
Did he actually try to get laid or was he trying to bomb, to prove a point?
Why did he post that thread in an incel forum and not here, where people could actually help him, instead of in a community where the people there will secretly hope to see a zero batting average to validate their worldview?

Ever heard of conflict of interest?

We're not publishing our anecdotal evidence in peer-reviewed science journals, but you still have to read everything on the internet these days with a much more discerning eye.

From the horses' mouth. Just read the two posts in this link, the quoted post from the guy recommending new (admittedly out of the box) approaching strategies, and our hero's response in ALL CAPS AND RED LETTERS.

As I said, game is really hard. And it requires a growth mindset, the belief that our abilities and intelligence are malleable and can be improved through our own hard work and perseverance. Others don't believe in the growth mindset, that our abilities and intelligence are innate and inherently capped by our nature. The general debate between incels and people like on this forum is whether the female mind can be hacked as we apply ourselves to better understand them. What do you think, does this guy have a growth mindset?

Was he trying to understand the women he was talking to? Was he even really talking to them, or just at them?

The guy that did the 1000 approaches has legendary tenacity, but zero adaptability from his posts.

He was trying to fail. And he succeeded, spectacularly.

You sort of miss the forest for the trees here. I've seen that post before, I suggest you reread it and do some considering of your own. That post describes perfectly well the fucked up dance that modern men need to go through to attract women. Women who are often uninteresting and generally unpleasant to the average man. It is that collision of what we're taught to believe (Disney movies, romance, all that bullshit) and stark reality that causes a lot of those people to go down that defeatist path.

I can, in fact, attest to the truth of that post as it says "'Creepy' is the catch-all label used by women for that which makes them feel uncomfortable." I have been learning that being an unattractive, yet confident guy is another form of "creep." I had a woman lodge a Title IX complain at me because I had the audacity to be forward. We were walking in a nearby park on what was ostensibly a date. I held out my hand to her and she took it; things kind of sputtered out as I noticed she seemed to be uncomfortable. I ended the date shortly after and didn't contact her after that. 5 days later I get told that there's a no-contact order between us because she felt "emotionally harassed."

Put together enough of those types of events and you become a bit gun-shy. This is a man that had been beaten down by life. Telling him to suck it up and don't complain is nothing short of lashing out at your own insecurities. Think about this: you see constant posts on this forum about guys choosing hobbies and interests based on what won't make them appear "beta." Here's a secret, anyone that denies himself of enjoyment to not appear beta probably is. This forum has its own biases and blind spots just like the incel forum. Get some perspective.

Post: #29

He sounds Dutch to me .The guy is autistic or asbergers ..Why does daygame draw these dudes so much??

The guy needs professional help not PUA..

Those negative incel dudes need to listen to this.





And this

Post: #30

He has what used to be called "mental retardation". It explains the total self-absorbed interactions. He is not practicing day game but a "cargo cult" of it.

Post: #31

*delete, I really don't care*

Post: #32

(11-25-2018 09:02 PM)Sasquatch Wrote:  “He didn’t execute game properly or approach enough women” is usually the catch cry.

Most likely isn’t physically attractive enough in a modern world where women are absolutely spoiled for choice and options.

I recently tried to help a friend on tinder who had 0 hits after two months. He is not an attractive man but not hideously ugly either. Healthy, tall, all up I’d say a 4.
I selected some better photos for him, deleted his beta cringe profile and still a week later no hits. Not even the abundance of ugly disgustingly fat girls that I used to swipe past when I had the app. He assures me he isn’t being picky and tries pretty much everyone desperate to get a hit.

That highlights to me what a depressing shit show it must be for men <5 out there. It’s not easy for the <8’s either as the Chads 8+ are devouring up our markets as well.

I agree it's hard for naturally ugly guys, but pretty much any guy can become at least a 5 in half a year, no matter where they start from.

Tan
Haircut
Shave
Skincare
6 months of heavy compound lifting/dieting
Better clothes
Posture work/smirking/smile/eyecontact
Elevator shoes (for guys under 5'7")

Post: #33

(11-25-2018 07:45 PM)WannaBang Wrote:  Hey man, yeah they were lays. I actually got a lot of dates (with 65 or so girls) and my lack of success was more a case of screwing up those dates. 4 became short term fuck buddies spanning a few months (1 wanted a relationship but I wasn't down). Out of remaining 4, 2 were in Brazil where I was leaving anyway, 1 was a sweet virgin I royally fucked up with. And the last is a milf who I probably could bang again as we are in contact still but because she lives in Russia in some random town its logistically hard. Nowadays I don't approach much as I noticed this year I struggled to get the proportion of dates I used to get from cold approach (increasing difficulty of the market?). Combined with the huge lack of IOIs it feels like the juice isn't worth the squeeze. At least until the hunger gets too strong to ignore and I try again with renewed motivation, which I think will happen sooner or later

65 dates out of 1600 approaches its around 4% which while nothing to talk home about, it is not that bad neither.

I would be more worried about those 8 lays out of 65 dates, this mean that 7 girls out of 8 did not find attractive you enough to get fucked by you (I am assuming you did find them attractive since you approached them and that you did escalate on the date).

I would start from these stats and re-thinking about what you did wrong on those dates etc. It would be interesting to know a bit more about what areas you were gaming and what your targets were. You mentioned Brazil but from my experience if a Brazilian girl accept to go out with you, you are already 80% in her pants.

Post: #34

Quote:May 24, 2018. 5 women approached today - all rejections

one of them was brutal

I was approaching in the mall.

I was on the top of a descending elevator.

Some woman comes behind me (on the elevator) and I immediately said: "Hello, How are you? You look good."

I didn't think about it. I just said it automatically for some reason. No hesitation.

She wasn't that attractive OFC - FAKE UP TO THE MAXIMUM

Her reaction?

She said something like "fine"

AND THEN SHE STARTED GIONG DOWN THE ELEVATOR LIKE IT WAS THE STAIRS

THERE WERE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US ON EVERY STEP

AND SHE PASSED IN-BETWEEN PUSHING THEM AWAY

RUNNING FROM ME

34 done

966 to go

Post: #35

Some people were not meant to reproduce....

Post: #36

(11-25-2018 10:23 PM)Professor When Wrote:  Women who are often uninteresting and generally unpleasant to the average man. It is that collision of what we're taught to believe (Disney movies, romance, all that bullshit) and stark reality that causes a lot of those people to go down that defeatist path.

1. I, and everyone here, completely understand the defeatist path. There's nothing mysterious about it. Again, game is hard. Harder today than before. And like you later mention about your father, the solution is not to hide, but to make something of yourself, forge yourself into something of value. We can never forget, the great advantage of being born a man is being able to build our value up even if we're ugly AF. If a woman is born ugly AF, she has very little recourse compared to what we men can do for ourselves.

2. Finding women uninteresting is completely at odds with what you say later, that we want love from them. Why would we want love from something that isn't interesting, or can't capture our attention? Women don't have to try hard. The chase is up to us men. Again, we all know that. Here's a different spin on it that's less defeatist.

Patrice O'Neal used to say men get famous just to get even with beautiful women. Beautiful women get stopped on the street all the time. Men? Only if they're famous.

YES. Attractive women are born with the great fortune of not having to be interesting and successful to garner attention. But we as men are born with the gift to acquire interesting-ness and success rather than being born with it.

As for women actually being boring...

If a guy doesn't find women interesting, and their psychology fascinating, even in their 'simplicity'... it is unlikely this guy would have the thirst, the wherewithal, the ingenuity to try and solve the puzzle that is attracting women. I've heard so many women tell me they really enjoyed my "curiosity" after we talked about that quality in relationships. Believing "women are boring" is dangerous because, even though it can be funny, it can also be self defeatist and, frankly, hypocritical. Something about them must sure be captivating if we want to be around them.

(11-25-2018 10:23 PM)Professor When Wrote:  I had a woman lodge a Title IX ...because she felt "emotionally harassed."

I'm sorry to hear that man. I can definitely understand how something that inconsequential and cause an overreaction from that girl, can make a guy become gun-shy.

I'll try to put a positive spin on it.

Patrice O'Neal spent time in jail for a false rape accusation in high school for being involved in a (consensual) gang bang of a white girl. Something quite a bit worse than what you received. Yet he came out the other side as a sage with game beyond comprehension, and a truly legendary sense of humor.

The key here is not to become bitter. But to find a way to make it work in your favor.

(11-25-2018 10:23 PM)Professor When Wrote:  Telling him to suck it up and don't complain is nothing short of lashing out at your own insecurities. Think about this: you see constant posts on this forum about guys choosing hobbies and interests based on what won't make them appear "beta." Here's a secret, anyone that denies himself of enjoyment to not appear beta probably is. This forum has its own biases and blind spots just like the incel forum. Get some perspective.

If you want to go down the path of highlighting my own insecurities, you are more than welcome to.

I'm not sure if you're insinuating that I believe this forum is beyond reproach or is perfect, my statements in my previous posts were actually tongue in cheek. I haven't posted here for years for a reason, this forum has changed a whooooole lot since I first joined and was most active. Something you would have no idea about, unless you lurked way back when.

Let's just say, from when I first started, this forum has veered closer and closer in themes and tones to that incel forum. The attitude to improve ourselves as men has lost traction, with other topics not related to game becoming a lot more popular.

Like I said, I understand the woe-is-me sentiment. But tapping out is not the answer. The answer is to take all this shit in stride. And move forward...

and always keep perspective. You could have been born an ugly-ass woman.



It can always be worse.

Post: #37

(11-25-2018 11:01 PM)corsega Wrote:  I agree it's hard for naturally ugly guys, but pretty much any guy can become at least a 5 in half a year, no matter where they start from.

Tan
Haircut
Shave
Skincare
6 months of heavy compound lifting/dieting
Better clothes
Posture work/smirking/smile/eyecontact
Elevator shoes (for guys under 5'7")

So fucking what? Anything less than an 8 is not going to have any successes. I know that short of winning the lottery I will never be more than a 7, and that's on a really good day. No matter what I do I will never be able to attract a woman with an equivalent MMV. I'm still trying. The guy who posted this doesn't have the decades of experience to come to peace with the reality. Maybe with help he can do better, but too many of the people here would rather tear him down than give him a hand up. Years, even decades of being abused leave their mark and who here give a damn?

Post: #38

Christ that thread is a goldmine of autism:

Quote:There is slight snow.

I am with my bike.

Have some ski gloves on

1. Omega ignore from some weird feminist looking bitch.

2. Approached some bitch from the back. She ignored me

I said bye you are stupid.

3. Same shit except this one came with a "u r a creep look"

I fucking mogged this bitch.

4. This is probably not a real approach but l gonna count it cause u will see

Approached a duo at a bus stop.

Hi (looked at both to confuse them).

Neither said anything as expected.

Neither did l but l just stood there.

After 5 seconds l said.

How is the business going?

Do we know each other?

Do we know each other, l repeated.

No.

Cool. What's up?

What? Why?

You tell me.

(Btw the ugly one was doing the talking)

We don't know you.

Ok

THE KEY COMES THAT I AM SITTING THERE THE WHOLE TIME NOT GIVING A FUCK AND TALKING TO HER LIKE SHE IS THE WHORE THAT She is.

Then they bounced and the ugly one said - won't u go anywhere

No...I will sit here.


Lmfao

Eat shit bitch

Post: #39

(11-25-2018 11:28 PM)chicane Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 11:01 PM)corsega Wrote:  I agree it's hard for naturally ugly guys, but pretty much any guy can become at least a 5 in half a year, no matter where they start from.

Tan
Haircut
Shave
Skincare
6 months of heavy compound lifting/dieting
Better clothes
Posture work/smirking/smile/eyecontact
Elevator shoes (for guys under 5'7")

So fucking what? Anything less than an 8 is not going to have any successes. I know that short of winning the lottery I will never be more than a 7, and that's on a really good day. No matter what I do I will never be able to attract a woman with an equivalent MMV. I'm still trying. The guy who posted this doesn't have the decades of experience to come to peace with the reality. Maybe with help he can do better, but too many of the people here would rather tear him down than give him a hand up. Years, even decades of being abused leave their mark and who here give a damn?

*sigh*

I was a fucking 4 when I was 16-18.

Years of training and becoming a man later, now I'm a 6 (5 face, 8 body).

I fuck 20+ girls a year, mostly through online. I just fucked a 7.5 from a nightclub two nights ago.

I have only been in the game for 2.5 years and my Game is only intermediate.

You know what I attribute my results to? Going out and having experiences, making friends, traveling the world, and becoming a fucking man instead of whining on a pickup forum about "muh looksmatch".

Post: #40

(11-25-2018 11:47 PM)corsega Wrote:  *sigh*

I was a fucking 4 when I was 16-18.

Years of training and becoming a man later, now I'm a 6 (5 face, 8 body).

I fuck 20+ girls a year, mostly through online. I just fucked a 7.5 from a nightclub two nights ago.

I have only been in the game for 2.5 years and my Game is only intermediate.

You know what I attribute my results to? Going out and having experiences, making friends, traveling the world, and becoming a fucking man instead of whining on a pickup forum about "muh looksmatch".

So you feel justified in abusing a man who is in a lot of pain instead of offering him a hand up?

Post: #41

^ I don't think anybody is "abusing a man". If this guy showed up here, posted some in-fields and said that he has had no success and asked for help, he would surely get it.

There actually was a guy who started a thread here a few years back who had approached 1000s of women and had not gotten laid even once aside from hookers. Multiple highly-repped members reached out to him, he got tons of advice, and eventually managed to sleep with several women and have a few relationships. Thread is here. It is worth reading, there's some gold nuggets in there.

From my experience this community is as helpful as it gets for a man who comes with a problem, explains it thoroughly and, most importantly, is willing to put forth the effort to solve it. Yeah people may rib you a bit but that's what guys do, it isn't anything personal.

However, if somebody shows up saying a version of "fuck women, I've approached a lot and haven't gotten laid, I'm not even going to bother with them anymore", then what is anybody supposed to say to that?

If you've already made up your mind and don't want to try with women any longer, that's your call, but imo this isn't the forum to post about that and expect widespread support.

Post: #42

He should have made the post after 10 approaches then sought advice from people other than the incels around him. Maybe 50, but some point well before 1000 it would click that he is doing something wrong.

Post: #43

(11-25-2018 11:01 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 09:02 PM)Sasquatch Wrote:  “He didn’t execute game properly or approach enough women” is usually the catch cry.

Most likely isn’t physically attractive enough in a modern world where women are absolutely spoiled for choice and options.

I recently tried to help a friend on tinder who had 0 hits after two months. He is not an attractive man but not hideously ugly either. Healthy, tall, all up I’d say a 4.
I selected some better photos for him, deleted his beta cringe profile and still a week later no hits. Not even the abundance of ugly disgustingly fat girls that I used to swipe past when I had the app. He assures me he isn’t being picky and tries pretty much everyone desperate to get a hit.

That highlights to me what a depressing shit show it must be for men <5 out there. It’s not easy for the <8’s either as the Chads 8+ are devouring up our markets as well.

I agree it's hard for naturally ugly guys, but pretty much any guy can become at least a 5 in half a year, no matter where they start from.

Tan
Haircut
Shave
Skincare
6 months of heavy compound lifting/dieting
Better clothes
Posture work/smirking/smile/eyecontact
Elevator shoes (for guys under 5'7")

Meh, No offence dude but besides the lifting/dieting this is such basic bitch advice that may have helped men in the 90's but its just minimum expected shit now, like wiping your own ass.

The games changed Female 5's don't want male 5's especially for some shallow promiscuous hook ups when they can easily secure men of higher SMV pumping down.

A female's hypergamy used to be isolated to her local communities but now she is inundated with thirsty attention and cock from around the globe and the competition is fierce.

Post: #44

What is the point actually? These people just want to “confirm” that the world is unfair or rigged, so they do not have to look inwards? “See I approached x number or girls with zero results, I KNEW it”.

Also, I want to say something about day-game. I have said this in other threads, but I have no experience in game, meaning I have never read any books or watched any youtube videos etc. I say this because I think my view on daytime approaching is a very average joe blue pill kind of view.

When I read that people “spam approach” strangers in malls, parks and so on I feel part admiration and part are you out of your fucking mind. The fear of rejection is way to strong in me (I do not need that shit!!). Of course I understand that the whole point is to overcome that fear, but I honestly do not feel a strong need to do that. I am totally fine with either approaching people after some sort of intention of interest or through social circles. It is the same reason why I do not have a strong need to spend money in casinos, I like the game rigged in my favor.

When I look at all my blue pill friends I do not know anyone that has an ability to walk up to a stranger and “close”, I am talking about really good looking guys, point being that shit is hard. I guess this is also why the rewards are really high for the people that can master it.

You also need to consider the creep factor. Now I know you can be all like “urgh women are so ungrateful”, “I blame feminism”, “after me-too you can’t even talk to strangers without being sued” bla bla but come on: I also think “weirdo” or “creep” or “scam” if I get approached on the street by a stranger, this is regardless of gender.

It seems to me that the more “Assburger” a person is - the more of a creepy and mechanical approach they seem to take to meeting girls, not understanding how fucking hard it is to cold-approach people (especially if you are not blessed in the looks department). It seems to me that a lot of these people are not unsuccessful because of looks or SMV but simply because they fail to understand the most basic laws guiding human interactions.

Instead of awkwardly pestering people in malls they should engage in social activities where interactions with the opposite gender will come more naturally to gain experience. There is a reason most people in this world find partners through social circles.

With all this said some common knowledge must still prevail “Oh I look like the Hunchback of fucking Notre Dame, I do not get it, why was that HB7 so uncomfortable when I asked for her number in that dark alley last night?”

Post: #45

24-year old virgin with over 1000 approaches checking in.

I'm extremely skinny @ 5'9, 136 lbs (struggling with various muscular dysfunctions so can't lift heavy yet).

I talked to WannaBang over PM and he got me to post pics of myself on a red pill looks-maxing forum. I've been implementing the advice I've received so far.

I'm also thinking of starting my own self-improvement thread in the newbie section of this forum. I want to buy a spy watch so that I can record my approaches and post them on here to receive advice.

Post: #46

(11-26-2018 03:52 AM)Alpha_Ambitionz Wrote:  24-year old virgin with over 1000 approaches checking in.

I'm also thinking of starting my own self-improvement thread in the newbie section of this forum. I want to buy a spy watch so that I can record my approaches and post them on here to receive advice.

It is great that you are here, as long as you are on that self-improving journey things will work out eventually.

I read the spy watch part and also thought about what I wrote in my previous post "I like the game rigged". I see a lot of very impressive (borderline maniac) dedication to game on this forum and I am always thinking "why are they not channeling at least part of that dedication towards business and making money". YES it is fucking hard but the reward is basically total freedom for the rest of your life. I am not going to go into specific business advice but for me money is probably the ultimate way of rigging the game in your favor. For example:

- Nice apartment and car
- Tables in nightclubs
- Throw parties where you provide (or own) the venue "oh so this is YOUR boat"
- You can travel in style. Join that pub crawl and invite everyone to your badass airbnb penthouse for pre-drinks the following day.
- You do not need to project an interesting lifestyle, your life probably WILL be pretty interesting
- Having financial freedom will make you more assertive by nature and probably also a bit more relaxed (I do not give a fuck).

Now people who say that you will only attract gold diggers by doing these things are just bitter. You will learn quickly to filter those people out.

So I would say continue on the game improvement path (I totally understand how pressing it must be for you) but do not let it consume your life.

Post: #47

@Spaniard88 thank you my brother, very kind of you

@Alpha_Ambitionz. I am stoked you went for it. 1000% you will succeed because you took action. My advice at this point would be stick with where you are are and roll with it till it runs it course but up to you. As Roosh says, 1 game style at a time. Those watches are tricky to use but you can get a conrov usb stick style camera which I have used and can confirm works reasonably well.

@wellrockthe city. Yeah a lot of my failure with the dates was likely due to the residual ‘incel’ mentality which had remained a bit despite my overall boom in self-improvement and successes for what they are worth. Even if I was able to come across as high value and attractive at the approach stage, there would have been several mistakes or signals I gave off during the date which led to game over. Skankhunt (not sure if he is still active here) had some very insightful things to say on the subject. It is something I am still trying to work on though it is getting tougher due to waning interest in playing the game as well as getting fewer and fewer dates due to the increasing toughness of the SMP.

When I see guys like this poor blighter who approached 1000 girls and got nothing I feel sad and frustrated for him. This is because I used to be a genuine incel. As far as SMV is concerned, like Corsega I was a ‘4’ or less only up till the age of 23/24 or so and ended up peaking after making Herculean attempts to improve myself and ultimately being a ‘6’ (again like Corsega, a 5 in the face, 8+ in body).

But it was not just lack of SMV that was my bane. When I say incel I mean I genuinely existed in a state of hopelessness, despair and even hatred as these guys do. I wasn’t ranting about it on some forum like these guys are, rather I suffered in silence and lurked on 2005-2010 era MGTOW sites that ‘confirmed’ my mindset and allowed me to wallow in it with no real hope of success.

I didn’t spam approach 1000 girls by day whilst in this ‘heart of darkness’ state of mind but I did attempt alcohol driven night 'game’ (if it can be called that) from the age of 18 onwards for years probably racking up several 100 approaches but getting nothing (not even a single make-out), just a plethora of often savagely brutal rejections which ‘confirmed’ what I already felt about women as a whole. It just got worse and worse and failure bred more failure. To this day I cannot stomach night game because of those experiences. Because those were literally my only experiences with the opposite sex with nothing positive to set against that (other than family members). At university I was a major introvert and hyper socially awkward. Someone who could very easily have come across as ‘aspergers’ (not that I was/am but it is easy to come across that way when you social skills are very poor’) Its very easy to judge these guys but believe me if you haven’t been in these guy’s shoes you can’t even fathom the degree of emotional anguish and suffering they are feeling. I wouldn’t wish the pain they feel on my worse enemy. They are in hell. I sometimes ready diary entries from 2007 and it never ceases to shock me that things were really that bad and that I had found myself in so low a place in my soul.

But with a firm decision to truly change your life and dysfunctional mindsets with a pinch of luck, it is very possible to change even the most dire of situations. It was all baby steps. The best thing any incel orientated individual can do is slowly take tactical baby steps to solve his situation.

Emphasis on slow. The gradual removal of his presence from any and all incel communities and forums as well as in real life. Gradually letting go of the misogyny and toxic views of humanity and instead of mass spam approaching, focus on optimising your looks (using a dedicated positively focused forum community - not necessarily this one, there are others that are better or worse for certain types of guy). I know 'looksmaxing' is now a parody incels refer to but ironically its the best damn thing they can do in the immediate sense.

Then focus on losing your virginity if that landmark hasn’t already been reached and try to make that first girl your girlfriend for a year or two. Even if it means traveling to a country where you feel you will do better (which I did and was the number 1 game changer for me though that country has since become a lot harder). After that I am pretty damn confident he will finally be in a state to finally start approaching/gaming seriously.

With a relationship under his belt he will have the sensation of feeling like he was never an incel and that being with a woman ‘is no big deal.’ To begin approaching a guy must be in a positive, healthy state of mind. As others have mentioned this incel was doomed from the start because of his pre-conceived notions and mindsets which are set in stone. He should have ‘cleaned his room’ (Jordan Peterson reference I know^^) before even thinking about going on this ‘approach journey.’

I have nothing against a guy going on an approach pilgrimage. I have done it, as have many in this community and it often turns out to be one of the most challenging and fulfilling experiences of your life. Maybe I should write a book on this because I have been through it all and this is all how it turned out in my case and there is so much more I could write about this. Part of me really wants to help them because I am part of the minority who truly was in their shoes and knows their pain. But its also folly because less than 1% of these guys will find a way to break out from their mental prison and that is being generous. Which is sad because I think a lot of these guys are not 'aspergers' or irredeemable. Most are going through a very negative patch/phase in life and the majority won't even try to get girls no matter what. That is why I still have a basic respect for the minority of them who at least try.

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(11-26-2018 04:44 AM)WannaBang Wrote:  Then focus on losing your virginity if that landmark hasn’t already been reached and try to make that first girl your girlfriend for a year or two. Even if it means traveling to a country where you feel you will do better (which I did and was the number 1 game changer for me though that country has since become a lot harder). After that I am pretty damn confident he will finally be in a state to finally start approaching/gaming seriously.

With a relationship under his belt he will have the sensation of feeling like he was never an incel and that being with a woman ‘is no big deal.’ T

Great post, thanks for sharing!

The gf part is brilliant and very true. If you are extremely inexperienced with girls I think your intentions should be to form an emotional bond with the girl you approach. This sincerity will benefit both parties. Feeling love and that physical presence will remove a lot hatred and toxic ideas. After this it is easier to take any direction you want.

Post: #49

This guy set himself up for failure from the beginning.

His mindset is all wrong.

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Some of you guys spend too much time on Tinder. It made you believe looks is important. It is not. At best it is helpful. And if you are really good looking it might indeed provide some advantages.

Qualities that are much much more important are: Dominance, Risk taking behaviours, Initiative taking, Pre Selection, Frame Control, Fearlessness, Display of sexuality, etc.

Post: #50

Seize the means of reproduction, socialism now!