Post: #1

I believe we all have a deep seated need to give to the world around us, as the more value we give, the more we can love and respect ourselves. Giving no value can only lead to self hatred, because we know what a waste of space we are, how useless are existence is.

That being said, if a girl subconsciously knows that her ability to give is limited (bad intellect, limited ability to love, trauma that broke her femininity etc.) she will resort to giving the only thing she can--her body.

I believe this applies to everything; we all give back to the world what we can; whatever we have as talents and virtues.

If a woman has a worthless office job where she works for 2 hours a day, then pretends to be busy for the next 6, her need to give to the world is not even close to being satisfied... and because of her deficiencies as a nurturer and lover, having a family will not satisfy her either.

She is left with her body as her only source of value, and proceeds to give it to who she can respect the most that shows interest.

This is relevant because I was thinking about what I do, what I enjoy, and it's the same psychology though on a different level--I love giving a great experience to women, a unique experience--this is what makes being a lover worth it--yet I'm found avoiding these sluts completely, and seeking a completely different type of woman. The university girl working at a cafe shop, the innocent librarian, the very sensitive shy girl etc.

I seek women that I can improve, that have features that I like, that are incomplete, but not completely broken. Women that have something else to give but their body. What I give them is my talents as a lover, and hopefully guide them towards have a family later on, by realizing how fleeting what I can give them is, though it will stay with them forever, hopefully fill that need permanently, and free them to mature, be mothers.

If we take the romantic-idealistic element out of the equation all we are left with is sex addiction, and I've learned my lesson.

Post: #2

You hit upon a fundamental truth there, let me try to expand it for you.

Every human being has unique gifts. Every human being wants to feel appreciated. In relationships, you value the other person most when they appreciate your unique gifts. So for example, if a woman is good at making sandwiches, and you enjoy eating sandwiches, tell her often how much you enjoy her sandwiches.

When I meet a woman for a date, I know they spent a long time getting ready. Often they were things that I like, like high heels, feminine clothes, or show off their cleavage. I give them a hug when I meet them, and then I push them away and look them up and down. With a smile on my face. Sometimes I ask them to turn around for me. I make a point of verbalizing that I appreciate or enjoy or like what they chose to wear for me. It sounds small and insignificant, but it makes them feel valued.

Look for opportunities to do this in all of your relationships. If you go through life assuming other people have unique gifts and look for them, you will be pleasantly surprised

More related to game, the more you do this the more you pull other people into your frame. So then it becomes quite natural for you to say, show me how well you can suck my cock. You can't say that right off the bat, but if you've established a frame it happens quite seamlessly

Post: #3

(11-11-2018 06:55 PM)Flux Wrote:  I love giving a great experience to women, a unique experience--this is what makes being a lover worth it

Giving quality sex to a woman who has never really had it before feels a lot better than executing interchangeable McSex with a slut who takes it for granted.

The average woman approaches sex as though they're giving something up, that it isn't worth doing unless they get something else in exchange, hence their transactional natures. Only women who have been properly dicked realize that even no-strings sex can be a net gain.

Post: #4

Quote:I'm found avoiding these sluts completely, and seeking a completely different type of woman. The university girl working at a cafe shop, the innocent librarian, the very sensitive shy girl etc.

haha....

Those girls you consider "good girls" are just better at hiding the truth. This innocent looking librarian? She crawled around like a dog while getting spanked. That sensitive girl making you a cup of coffee? She got fucked by two guys in a toilet. That shy girl with a book? She fantasized about being sold as slave to middle eastern sultan.

Quote:because we know what a waste of space we are, how useless are existence is.

You are a shit factory. Good food goes into mouth. Shit comes out on other end.

Quote:I love giving a great experience to women, a unique experience--this is what makes being a lover worth it

Rose petals. Check. Expensive wine. Check. Hour long massage. Check. Missionary position. Check.

Post: #5

(11-11-2018 06:55 PM)Flux Wrote:  What I give them is my talents as a lover, and hopefully guide them towards have a family later on, by realizing how fleeting what I can give them is, though it will stay with them forever

Betas will be happy to wife up a slut that appears to be on the straight a narrow, but would you want to marry a girl that has been the recipient of other men's love-making talents? Of course not.
I take no issue with banging out existing sluts, but targeting non-sluts because you think you're capable of making them "good wife/mother material" with your sex lol'd me

Post: #6

(11-12-2018 04:08 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

Quote:I'm found avoiding these sluts completely, and seeking a completely different type of woman. The university girl working at a cafe shop, the innocent librarian, the very sensitive shy girl etc.

haha....

Those girls you consider "good girls" are just better at hiding the truth. This innocent looking librarian? She crawled around like a dog while getting spanked. That sensitive girl making you a cup of coffee? She got fucked by two guys in a toilet. That shy girl with a book? She fantasized about being sold as slave to middle eastern sultan.

Quote:because we know what a waste of space we are, how useless are existence is.

You are a shit factory. Good food goes into mouth. Shit comes out on other end.

Quote:I love giving a great experience to women, a unique experience--this is what makes being a lover worth it

Rose petals. Check. Expensive wine. Check. Hour long massage. Check. Missionary position. Check.

I'm talking about the psychological aspect behind it, no need for fancy gimmicks. You seduce a girl the right way, and the sex will be much different; you get in her head.

There are non promiscuous girls out there, and I know how to find them, pity you can't, or maybe you can but can't pull them, and thus you're opinion of women is constructed by the only ones you fuck--the sluts.

As far as us being shit factories... I'd be a crack addict if that were true--that'd be the most pleasure one could have in your view of the world.

Post: #7

(11-11-2018 08:33 PM)questor70 Wrote:  Giving quality sex to a woman who has never really had it before feels a lot better than executing interchangeable McSex with a slut who takes it for granted.
The average woman approaches sex as though they're giving something up, that it isn't worth doing unless they get something else in exchange, hence their transactional natures. Only women who have been properly dicked realize that even no-strings sex can be a net gain.

Porn stars get fucked like very few women ever do... if anything they get more transactional.

You may not believe this, but women can't separate emotions from sex very well. When they get it good and then the guy bounces... it leaves them feeling bad no matter how good the sex.

Women who can separate sex and emotion have lost the fundamental ability to love.

Post: #8

(11-12-2018 12:58 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  You may not believe this, but women can't separate emotions from sex very well. When they get it good and then the guy bounces...

You're making generalizations here. Elaborate on the circumstances for why the guy is "bouncing"? Could be anything from a ONS to things just not working out. In my last relationship, we had great sex, but overall, I just didn't fall completely in love with her and she kept pushing for more and more commitment. You go into these things with the best of intentions but you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

And really, the older I get the more I have to concede that all relationships, even the best of them, have a shelf-life. We just try to fool ourselves going in that someone's a keeper and it's gonna last the rest of our lives. Point being that commitment by itself doesn't mean jack. What matters is that whatever time you spend with someone be the best possible. And that's what I mean by good sex. Do it like it's gonna be the last time because one day it will be.

Post: #9

Women are cunning and manipulative. That sweet, innocent coffee shop barista you saw today might have already been double dicked down by Chad and Tyrone last night. Even with a high level of game experience and social intelligence, you'd never know.

Post: #10

You're close but missing the mark a bit. There's two things at play.

Modern women have nothing to offer to the world besides their bodies. In order to get attention, friends, boyfriends, money, you name it...they use sex to get it. Without sex, what do women have to bargin with? Not much.

The other issue is that womens bodies are yelling at them to reproduce. What they consider "sleeping around" is really their body thinking "why the fuck am I not pregnant yet?!?!"

So, it's a vicious cycle where their hormonal instincts are telling them to have a lot of sex...and the world rewards them when they do.

Further reading: Women Have Reduced Themselves To Sexual Commodities

Post: #11

Honestly all of y'all slut chasers should just be happy and content where you are. There's no need to be sour grapes and put down good girls. Sure putting them on a pedestal is bad but what are the odds they are all secret sluts? Think logically for a second.

Post: #12

There are no such things as "sluts" or "good girls".

That is point most do not get.

Post: #13

(11-12-2018 03:27 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  There are no such things as "sluts" or "good girls".

That is point most do not get.

That's just so flat out wrong I'm curious if people who say this actually believe this, or they like hyperbole for effect just that much. No such thing as a difference between a girl who bangs less than 5 guys and a girl who bangs more than 20? Come on man.

Post: #14

And you base this on what?

You just have some number in your head?

And then "poof".

A "good girl" turns into a "slut"?

Post: #15

(11-12-2018 02:06 PM)questor70 Wrote:  You're making generalizations here. Elaborate on the circumstances for why the guy is "bouncing"? Could be anything from a ONS to things just not working out. In my last relationship, we had great sex, but overall, I just didn't fall completely in love with her and she kept pushing for more and more commitment. You go into these things with the best of intentions but you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
And really, the older I get the more I have to concede that all relationships, even the best of them, have a shelf-life. We just try to fool ourselves going in that someone's a keeper and it's gonna last the rest of our lives. Point being that commitment by itself doesn't mean jack. What matters is that whatever time you spend with someone be the best possible. And that's what I mean by good sex. Do it like it's gonna be the last time because one day it will be.

Your experience fairly well matches mine. If you provide good sex, women want more. If you can't provide that it leaves them feeling hurt.

I still believe in love. I just don't believe it's what Disney and Hollywood say it is. The pursuit of hedonism rarely makes someone happy... I've done it and been left feeling very empty. What's important is to find a woman that gives back at least as much as you put in... and then build something together. Passion and hot sex... yeah that does have a shelf life. Eventually, I get bored with even the hottest girl. However, I believe there is more to love than sex. I could be wrong though.

(11-12-2018 04:06 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  And you base this on what?
You just have some number in your head?
And then "poof".
A "good girl" turns into a "slut"?

This is accurate thinking. We need to be ditching the Madonna/Whore complex

Post: #16

(11-12-2018 04:26 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I believe there is more to love than sex. I could be wrong though.

There is also more to be had from sex than what people usually get out of it based on how they go about it.

Post: #17

(11-12-2018 04:48 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 04:26 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I believe there is more to love than sex. I could be wrong though.

There is also more to be had from sex than what people usually get out of it based on how they go about it.

Intimacy?

Post: #18

(11-12-2018 03:51 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 03:27 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  There are no such things as "sluts" or "good girls".

That is point most do not get.

That's just so flat out wrong I'm curious if people who say this actually believe this, or they like hyperbole for effect just that much. No such thing as a difference between a girl who bangs less than 5 guys and a girl who bangs more than 20? Come on man.

I definitely get your point of view... but it's absolutely better for your sanity to adopt BadBoyGamer's philosophy on this one! By automatically associating 20 notches, or any number of notches, to being a slut will cause you to overvalue a chick with low notches who might be a Cunt... and cause you to miss daring Red Flags from her.

Also in today's environment, the cute & down to earth chick who went to Uni & even was raised correctly has most likely smoked close to 20 penises EASY!

The women you're talking about are at 120 +, and these are most likely your future strippers, fitness chick or straight up call girls.

These are your chicks who look off straight from the Bat in 2018... and not a 20 notch chick. Trust Me!

Post: #19

(11-12-2018 03:14 PM)redbeard Wrote:  You're close but missing the mark a bit. There's two things at play.

Modern women have nothing to offer to the world besides their bodies. In order to get attention, friends, boyfriends, money, you name it...they use sex to get it. Without sex, what do women have to bargin with? Not much.

The other issue is that womens bodies are yelling at them to reproduce. What they consider "sleeping around" is really their body thinking "why the fuck am I not pregnant yet?!?!"

So, it's a vicious cycle where their hormonal instincts are telling them to have a lot of sex...and the world rewards them when they do.

Further reading: Women Have Reduced Themselves To Sexual Commodities

But they haven't done it themselves, the wealth did it, the hedonism... Women didn't choose not to have children and go to do useless work, the world did it for them, this current stage of society. Most jobs aren't needed, and everyone could just live a worthless hippie lifestyle -- that actually happened, and had to be countered with consumerism and feminism by the elites just to keep society afloat a little longer.

The Roman empire empire fell because of hedonism. Because everyone was busy having orgies, and killing the babies. There is a point in a society where the wealth is such, that everyone loses the will to live, because they see no purpose beyond hedonism; and they're not wrong. Women stop having babies, and turn themselves into sexual commodities. Men become sex fiends.

What is there left to do when you have every physical need satiated? Of course you try to give to the world, but what if you have nothing to give? What if there is nothing left to give? There is then no purpose to your life... but we can't live without purpose. So we turn to hedonism to fill the void, until society collapses, and there is again something to do.

There is no such thing as social progress, civilization runs on a cycle that forever repeats itself. In which way are we better than Classical Greece? Women's rights? Minorities' rights? Useless technology that does nothing more than increase convenience? That's all a joke to keep people occupied... We all know that women don't have the capacities of men, and that non-Whites have historically proven to be inferior over a 2000+ year period... They had bad luck for thousands of years before even meeting the White man? Women too? Everyone knows the truth whether overtly, or covertly within their heads, and we're just mentally masturbating to the idea of 'social progress'.

We're at a point now where the collapse could've happened, but isn't allowed to just yet. Maybe it won't happen, and we'll stay in this purgatory forever.

The truth has to come out eventually though.

P.S. For those that don't know about the hedonic treadmill--hedonism is addiction, and will take you deeper and deeper until you don't come back.

   


The ups and downs start by getting larger, then smaller, until you feel nothing, and it pushes you deeper and deeper into deviant behaviour. If caused by drugs, you OD, if caused by sex... I believe you end up doing horrible things to children.

Society collapses when the amount of deviants gets large enough.

Post: #20

OP I'm anonymously quoting you to my friends. This gave me serious lullz and made my day. Bravo!

Edit: that is not to denigrate your post, I think you have a good point.

Post: #21

(11-12-2018 04:06 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  And you base this on what?

You just have some number in your head?

And then "poof".

A "good girl" turns into a "slut"?

If you don't think there's a diff btw 2 girls, one aged 24 who's had 2 sexual partners, and one 24 or younger that has 20 a year then you haven't had much experience with women yet, or least only of the sluttier side. This isn't even remotely debatable here or on similar forums discussing women's sexual history and it's effect on them.

Much of the point of Game is to turn that 'good girl' into your 'slut' for one night/weekend/etc. Get her to do things with you that she wouldn't do for anyone else. If the two types of girls being discussed were the really the same then the optimal pickup/ONS strategy would be the same -- always go for the sluttiest girls. But they're not the same.

Post: #22

I think a slut does it for her own selfish reasons.

Daddy issues, hedonism, drugs, low self esteme, hyper sexualaity.

I don't think somehow its a community service to alleviate guilt from collecting welfare and being useless.

Most women seem fine taking everything and giving nothing back in return without guilt.

Post: #23

(11-12-2018 08:11 PM)Flux Wrote:  There is no such thing as social progress, civilization runs on a cycle that forever repeats itself.

Post: #24

(11-11-2018 07:01 PM)Hypno Wrote:  I make a point of verbalizing that I appreciate or enjoy or like what they chose to wear for me. It sounds small and insignificant, but it makes them feel valued.

Look for opportunities to do this in all of your relationships. If you go through life assuming other people have unique gifts and look for them, you will be pleasantly surprised

Good advice from hypno

Post: #25

DonnyGately Wrote:If you don't think there's a diff btw 2 girls, one aged 24 who's had 2 sexual partners, and one 24 or younger that has 20 a year

I never said there are no psychological effects.

What is the magical number?

At what point does a "good girl" turn into a "slut"?

DonnyGately Wrote:Much of the point of Game is to turn that 'good girl' into your 'slut' for one night/weekend/etc. Get her to do things with you that she wouldn't do for anyone else.

First you say that being a "slut" is about the amount of sexual partners she has had. You even give some numbers to illustrate your point. But now you say something else. Now you state that a girl can be made into a slut by gaming or fucking her a certain way.

So a virgin can become a slut just by being fucked once?

DonnyGately Wrote:This isn't even remotely debatable ...

You do not even have a proper definition for the word "slut" as I showed above.

But all this is besides the point. I believe that classifying girls into these fictional categories is harmfull for guys.

Some guys end up searching for this special "good girl" and get angry when they cannot find her.

Or even worse: they find this "good girl", marry her and then have a shitty sex life. Because the very moment she gives a blow job or something he considers her a "slut". Forcing her to always hide her sexuality.

Or as my best friend did. He calls every single girl who shows sexual interest in him a "slut". Because he believes only "sluts" show sexual interest. He married a fundamental Christian girl and thinks giving an hour long massage makes her horny.

So, perhaps this is worthy of some debate. Don't you think?