Post: #276

(10-24-2018 04:12 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  4. Agreed. I find that all girls (guys too, but especially girls because they are more socially savvy) will smell your flaws if they spend enough time with you, but I do notice it takes longer for foreign girls to notice a flaw of mine that an American girl would probably notice within 30 seconds.

What flaw is this, that an American girl spots in 30 seconds but the Filipina takes longer to notice?

Post: #277

(10-24-2018 04:12 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  1. So not true. Not sure if sarcasm but that's just feminist thinking. I see girls online that like to say this a lot. Don't bring that into a manosphere forum. Guys go to the east because they don't want to MARRY a western chick.

It's a thing, man. I couldn't believe it either when I first heard it. There are members on this forum who could not get laid at all in the West. I'm not going to discuss anyone, what happens in PM's stays in PM's, but it's true, they've told me. You could probably start a "Who can't get laid in the West" thread and get people to volunteer the info, but who knows, it's a tough subject for a lot of guys.

There really are guys that can't get laid in the West. I know, it was shocking to me too.

I also met a virgin guy in his very late 20's in the city I live in, he would always ask me about tips on meeting girls because I would take it easy on him regarding his awkwardness, while others, especially girls, would actively avoid him. He's slightly off, we talked about it and he doesn't know what's wrong with him, as in, he hasn't been diagnosed, but he does know that something is wrong. Good kid, just something is off. And there's many others like him. A lot of them eventually find their way to forums like this. If you listen to Roosh's live video sessions, sometimes some of them call in and ask for advice.

Post: #278

To address the above responses, a flaw for example would be smoking or drinking to a certain extent. I tend to believe western chicks are better at seeing that as a flaw than Filipinas, or Filipinas are just more likely to overlook it from a foreigner. Again this is not major stuff, it's just side things western chicks may be more picky on. If you're socially hopeless, you're going to feel it in both areas, just different ways. What I'm saying is eastern chicks may not care about the less serious stuff as much.

And I know it is a real thing that some guys don't get laid in America. I have a few friends in that position in their 20's. But devil's advocate would argue a virgin guy would be less likely to take a leap to go all the way to Asia to get laid versus a guy that just gets laid less in the west or wants a point up. The guys that I talk to that don't get laid at all really don't look at SEA as the be all end all answer. There's just certain social conditioning involved with it is what I'm trying to say.

Post: #279

Thanks yt, I was genuinely intrigued what you meant. If you smoke or drink excessively I think a Filipina would notice it just as quickly as an American, but you're right they may be more likely to overlook it.

Sometimes I do wonder what a Filipina is thinking, there was this gorgeous Filipina I had on my FB. I think I met her on DIA. And she picked this hideous looking Lebanese Swede. And you just ask yourself, girl, why o why, you can do so much better. They must be forgiving as hell. Even really good looking Filipinas sometimes have bfs with faces that scare little children. Very forgiving people, Filipinas.

Post: #280

(10-24-2018 05:03 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  And I know it is a real thing that some guys don't get laid in America. I have a few friends in that position in their 20's. But devil's advocate would argue a virgin guy would be less likely to take a leap to go all the way to Asia to get laid versus a guy that just gets laid less in the west or wants a point up. The guys that I talk to that don't get laid at all really don't look at SEA as the be all end all answer. There's just certain social conditioning involved with it is what I'm trying to say.

For sure.

Post: #281

(10-24-2018 05:10 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  Thanks yt, I was genuinely intrigued what you meant. If you smoke or drink excessively I think a Filipina would notice it just as quickly as an American, but you're right they may be more likely to overlook it.

Sometimes I do wonder what a Filipina is thinking, there was this gorgeous Filipina I had on my FB. I think I met her on DIA. And she picked this hideous looking Lebanese Swede. And you just ask yourself, girl, why o why, you can do so much better. They must be forgiving as hell. Even really good looking Filipinas sometimes have bfs with faces that scare little children. Very forgiving people, Filipinas.

Roosh wrote about this a while back, you see it in Mexico too:

The Busted Dudes Test

A buddy of mine said when he was in Colombia, he'd see these girls working behind a counter at markets in the middle of nowhere and he'd just think, "This girl wouldn't have to work at all if she were living in the U.S., and there she is standing behind a counter being bored all day..."

Post: #282

Roosh got it right that time. Thanks for linking that article.

I guess it's true the market is skewed in favour of men in Phil.

One other thing that has been overlooked so far, Philippines has one of the highest birth rates in the world, second highest in SE Asia, after Indonesia. So Filipinas are amongst the most fertile and therefore feminine women on the planet. It's almost too good to be true that the market is skewed in our favour with these wonderful women.

Post: #283

(10-24-2018 04:18 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 04:12 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  4. Agreed. I find that all girls (guys too, but especially girls because they are more socially savvy) will smell your flaws if they spend enough time with you, but I do notice it takes longer for foreign girls to notice a flaw of mine that an American girl would probably notice within 30 seconds.

What flaw is this, that an American girl spots in 30 seconds but the Filipina takes longer to notice?

When there is a language barrier and cultural barrier between you and girls it works for some guys and against others. For example if you're extremely smooth and can make girls laugh, while it might earn you bonus points in the US a filipina may not understand WTF you're saying. At the same time if a guy is super autistic in the US it will turn a girl off while a filipina may not even notice because of the language/cultural barrier.

Post: #284

(10-24-2018 05:23 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  A buddy of mine said when he was in Colombia, he'd see these girls working behind a counter at markets in the middle of nowhere and he'd just think, "This girl wouldn't have to work at all if she were living in the U.S., and there she is standing behind a counter being bored all day..."

I live in Colombia and I see this every day. You see busted dudes with women here walking everywhere, you see hot girls working shitty jobs or waiting for the bus to pick them up, the list goes on and it's so common I do not even notice it anymore. I see this also in many places in Eastern Europe, I think it has to do with there being abundance of hot girls.

Post: #285

(10-24-2018 05:10 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  Thanks yt, I was genuinely intrigued what you meant. If you smoke or drink excessively I think a Filipina would notice it just as quickly as an American, but you're right they may be more likely to overlook it.

Sometimes I do wonder what a Filipina is thinking, there was this gorgeous Filipina I had on my FB. I think I met her on DIA. And she picked this hideous looking Lebanese Swede. And you just ask yourself, girl, why o why, you can do so much better. They must be forgiving as hell. Even really good looking Filipinas sometimes have bfs with faces that scare little children. Very forgiving people, Filipinas.

Is he loaded? Lots of guys here are pulling girls out of their league and they have one thing in common, they’re not adverse to spending money.

Most of the expats I know who are still doing well here fall under this category.

Post: #286

(10-24-2018 03:42 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  There's also a large amount of guys with issues, be it in game, regular socializing skills, looks, etc., that are bringing their issues with them all over the world.

It still boggles my mind that anyone can't get laid in the West. I understand the autistic guys, but for normal guys, it boggles the mind to not be able to get laid in the West. I understand where the autistic guys are coming from, girls are very harsh in regards to social abilities when it comes to dating. The thing is, in the West, a guy that's an otherwise a decent human being but is socially off is getting nowhere. Meanwhile, a guy that's not a good person, but is socially smooth, is getting laid regularly. But if you think you're not socially off, and you're also not getting laid in the West, well guess what...

You're socially off.

And Western girls can smell that from a mile away. They're merciless, too, you're getting nowhere unless your looks can compensate for it, and you better be damn good looking if that's the case.

On the other hand, foreign girls, because of the language barrier and other factors, will sometimes not catch on to these issues at first. If they spend enough time with those guys, though, they'll figure it out too, and then the guy's back to square one.

It's not just genuinely autistic guys that have issues getting laid in the West; simply being reserved and introverted is enough to make girls assume you're socially retarded. You really need to be extraverted and outgoing, with a penchant for clown game.


For example, I do fine on tinder dates because the dynamics of a one-on-one conversation are completely different from a group situation, and much more amenable to introverts. But I absolutely fail at night game or social circle game.


I haven't been to the Philippines, but I've banged two Filipinas here in Australia. I've banged >10 Indonesians. Girls from South-East Asia, in my experience, are WAY more forgiving of introversion than Western girls.

Post: #287

(10-24-2018 10:12 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  It's not just genuinely autistic guys that have issues getting laid in the West; simply being reserved and introverted is enough to make girls assume you're socially retarded. You really need to be extraverted and outgoing, with a penchant for clown game.

That doesn't apply to you, he was talking about guys who simply can't get laid. Every guy has their niche and you would be stupid to focus on something that you don't enjoy and isn't producing as good of results. I would go as far to say if you can get laid in Australia you will do much better in the US.

Post: #288

(10-24-2018 10:50 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 10:12 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  It's not just genuinely autistic guys that have issues getting laid in the West; simply being reserved and introverted is enough to make girls assume you're socially retarded. You really need to be extraverted and outgoing, with a penchant for clown game.

That doesn't apply to you, he was talking about guys who simply can't get laid. Every guy has their niche and you would be stupid to focus on something that you don't enjoy and isn't producing as good of results. I would go as far to say if you can get laid in Australia you will do much better in the US.

I was making the point that some (perhaps many) guys who can't get laid in the West may simply be introverted, rather than being autistic or having some other intrinsic dysfunction. And that being introverted isn't much of a disadvantage with Asian girls (this applies to East Asians as well). I put this down to the fact that Western culture celebrates extroversion, while Eastern cultures, as far as I can tell, do not. In my country, the gregarious, outgoing 'larrikin' sportsman or tradie is considered the ideal male.

Yes I can use online but that takes a certain looks threshold to pay off, it's not much of an option for many average to below-average guys (it would be an option if they put more effort into their physiques and photos, but many are clueless about this).

And yes, I've observed how U.S. girls seem to like the Australian accent for some weird reason (personally I think it sounds ugly), I've got to take a trip there soon

Post: #289

(10-24-2018 05:03 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  And I know it is a real thing that some guys don't get laid in America. I have a few friends in that position in their 20's. But devil's advocate would argue a virgin guy would be less likely to take a leap to go all the way to Asia to get laid versus a guy that just gets laid less in the west or wants a point up. The guys that I talk to that don't get laid at all really don't look at SEA as the be all end all answer. There's just certain social conditioning involved with it is what I'm trying to say.

Also, there are a lot of guys who really struggle in the U.S. not because they are socially awkward or autistic, but because they are painfully average. Some guy who works at Best Buy or who has a factory job and doesn't have much status is going to be ignored in his interactions with women. Girls hate average. If you're not in the top 20% (high earner or fraternity type), more than likely you will be left out in the cold. Throw in any additional negative (balding, have a stutter, height under 5'7") and it's really an uphill battle. Some of these guys find their way to Asia. I say good for them.

Post: #290

true in the west there is this pressure to always be talkative and social with girls.in the east its more about maintaining frame and working hard.
i think i speak for most people when i say some days i just wanna be silent and not do any BS phone calls and talking just for the sake of talking because western girls want to be "entertained" by me. i think the western mindset is very beta. us guys are not supposed to be talking and entertaining them.we are supposes to providers and independent. their girl buddies can do the mingling

sometimes it feels like western player guys are a little bit of clowns . entertaining and amusing the girl to get her into bed is not a ideal frame you wanna have as a alpha. a alpha should get more value than give away.

Post: #291

(10-25-2018 12:17 AM)Dirtyblueshirt Wrote:  If you're not in the top 20% (high earner or fraternity type), more than likely you will be left out in the cold. Throw in any additional negative (balding, have a stutter, height under 5'7") and it's really an uphill battle. Some of these guys find their way to Asia. I say good for them.

This was a common stereotype, and it was certainly true, but I'm just not seeing that many below average younger white guys in the Philippines anymore. I'm assuming they're all getting blown out and leave immediately?

Post: #292

(10-24-2018 07:15 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  When there is a language barrier and cultural barrier between you and girls it works for some guys and against others. For example if you're extremely smooth and can make girls laugh, while it might earn you bonus points in the US a filipina may not understand WTF you're saying. At the same time if a guy is super autistic in the US it will turn a girl off while a filipina may not even notice because of the language/cultural barrier.

That's true. I do try to screen for good English skills. Some Filipinas really make an effort and can speak a good level of English but some don't make any effort and speak it very badly, I tend to ignore those.

(10-24-2018 07:38 PM)OnlySightseeing Wrote:  Is he loaded? Lots of guys here are pulling girls out of their league and they have one thing in common, they’re not adverse to spending money.

Most of the expats I know who are still doing well here fall under this category.

I think he managed a restaurant, don't think he was the owner, but very senior in the restaurant. I think he had a bit of money, but he obviously treated this 19 year old as just a plate, went to see her for a week, then nothing for months except promises. I'd decided against this girl because I had a sure thing with another girl, and this 19 year old was a bit tiring, she kept messaging for 'advice' and obviously bored and drama prone. Still, I told her to do better, that girl should have been out of league for this Lebanese Swede, who frankly was not an attractive man, just to picture them together now creeps me out, beauty and the beast. But this girl was totally hung up on this guy and in love with him. She told me this. He was only there for a week! It was weird.

Post: #293

(10-25-2018 05:18 AM)OnlySightseeing Wrote:  This was a common stereotype, and it was certainly true, but I'm just not seeing that many below average younger white guys in the Philippines anymore. I'm assuming they're all getting blown out and leave immediately?

Yes, it's surprising how many young guys who have it together go to Phil and have a Filipina gf. The word has gone around the globe how good these women can be.

One other thing I like about Filipinas, they don't use tampons or birth control. Apart from them being tight it seems to make them more feminine. They also take good care of themselves, clean and fresh. The only bad experiences I had with female hygiene were in Europe, never in Asia.

Post: #294

(10-25-2018 05:18 AM)OnlySightseeing Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 12:17 AM)Dirtyblueshirt Wrote:  If you're not in the top 20% (high earner or fraternity type), more than likely you will be left out in the cold. Throw in any additional negative (balding, have a stutter, height under 5'7") and it's really an uphill battle. Some of these guys find their way to Asia. I say good for them.

This was a common stereotype, and it was certainly true, but I'm just not seeing that many below average younger white guys in the Philippines anymore. I'm assuming they're all getting blown out and leave immediately?

Don't you live out in the boondocks? I'd say the overwhelming majority of young foreigners I've seen in Manila and Cebu are heavily flawed, very awkward and couldn't get a tinder match or a hint of interest in an American city. Young foreigners are definitely a minority, the majority are old out of shape retiree's.

Post: #295

You just notice them more because they stick out.

Normal young guys with Filipinas are all over the malls.

Post: #296

(10-24-2018 07:15 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  When there is a language barrier and cultural barrier between you and girls it works for some guys and against others. For example if you're extremely smooth and can make girls laugh, while it might earn you bonus points in the US a filipina may not understand WTF you're saying. At the same time if a guy is super autistic in the US it will turn a girl off while a filipina may not even notice because of the language/cultural barrier.

Agreed. I'm definitely not the smoothest guy in a western club setting because I'm more of an introvert personality that relies on 1-on-1 interaction. Usually why I don't vibe with high energy girls and go towards more shier personalities. I'm usually the guy that will come in hot with dry humor jokes that may be unexpected to keep the frame. Filipinas don't understand all of these or Asian chicks in general, but for them the game is more about not being weak than being just entertaining. So with them, I find if I keep the frame and hit on even half the jokes, I'm golden. For frame all you really have to do in the beginning at least is hold firm a couple of times on certain requests (not just money, maybe as simple as location for meeting or eating).

(10-24-2018 10:12 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  It's not just genuinely autistic guys that have issues getting laid in the West; simply being reserved and introverted is enough to make girls assume you're socially retarded. You really need to be extraverted and outgoing, with a penchant for clown game.

For example, I do fine on tinder dates because the dynamics of a one-on-one conversation are completely different from a group situation, and much more amenable to introverts. But I absolutely fail at night game or social circle game.

Girls from South-East Asia, in my experience, are WAY more forgiving of introversion than Western girls.

Yea, I've always maintained Asia is for the guys that are more introverted but at the same time not weak and may have other priorities in life. Particularly NEA but this can even be applied to SEA. The west is more friendly towards the frat-boy personality. Not that those guys don't succeed in Asia, I've seen plenty that do, it's just that it's not nearly as needed around there. Those guys tend to find the girls in Asia mostly boring too. High energy with high energy with more commonality to keep a conversation going I suppose.

Back to the point, I'll second that Asian girls are more forgiving of introversion. Some guys here probably know why better than me, but I think it's a combination of being in conservative societies at least with face, they're more practical with stability, and there may just be a cultural/language barrier to maximize clown game in Asian countries, particularly because public physical escalation is not encouraged unlike LA.

(10-25-2018 12:49 AM)zamfir112 Wrote:  true in the west there is this pressure to always be talkative and social with girls.in the east its more about maintaining frame and working hard.
i think i speak for most people when i say some days i just wanna be silent and not do any BS phone calls and talking just for the sake of talking because western girls want to be "entertained" by me. i think the western mindset is very beta. us guys are not supposed to be talking and entertaining them.we are supposes to providers and independent. their girl buddies can do the mingling

sometimes it feels like western player guys are a little bit of clowns . entertaining and amusing the girl to get her into bed is not a ideal frame you wanna have as a alpha. a alpha should get more value than give away.

Yea I think conversation gaps are much more tolerated in Asia because it's more important for girls to have someone with strong frame that is stable financially, even in the first world Asian countries. I find it very relaxing personally because I'm not as high energy as some western guys and I'm more introverted. I'm that guy that likes being around people for a certain period but needs my time for peace and quiet or for work. Asia is much more ideal for this type.

You're onto something about a possible western beta mindset. I come from an Italian background and there, once the couples are married, in family events the guys go with guys and the girls go with girls. We segregate the genders mostly at parties and the Italians maintain frame despite usually having high maintenance women. It may take less social energy, but it's possible Asia may be more traditionally alpha with how family dynamics are arranged. It may just be a respect factor on face level for the main provider.

(10-25-2018 11:59 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 05:18 AM)OnlySightseeing Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 12:17 AM)Dirtyblueshirt Wrote:  If you're not in the top 20% (high earner or fraternity type), more than likely you will be left out in the cold. Throw in any additional negative (balding, have a stutter, height under 5'7") and it's really an uphill battle. Some of these guys find their way to Asia. I say good for them.

This was a common stereotype, and it was certainly true, but I'm just not seeing that many below average younger white guys in the Philippines anymore. I'm assuming they're all getting blown out and leave immediately?

Don't you live out in the boondocks? I'd say the overwhelming majority of young foreigners I've seen in Manila and Cebu are heavily flawed, very awkward and couldn't get a tinder match or a hint of interest in an American city. Young foreigners are definitely a minority, the majority are old out of shape retiree's.

There's a lot more variety with younger foreigners. They're definitely the minority based on my time there, but I see a little of everything. There's some guys that surprisingly don't get laid there, others are visiting with good redpill knowledge that have their shit together, and then you have the backpackers that could probably clean up with more knowledge on the dynamics but tend to stick with the western girls and either go to hostels in the city or the nature spots in the country. I find most younger guys are the latter.

Post: #297

@Aero, I was living in a village called “Chateaux de Paris”, near Tagaytay, yes, but I’m now living closer to the action.

Further, I’m one who just likes to drive, and I’ve been across Luzon multiple times. So among the guys on this board, I think I’d be among the most qualified to comment on this.

Most foreigners I’ve been seeing in Manila or surrounding areas are tallish, at least somewhat fit and at least average height (for a white), but usually not below average. The token White Omega In Asia is strangely rare in 2018. I’m not sure where he went. Africa? DeepCongoCupid?

Post: #298

(10-25-2018 10:06 PM)OnlySightseeing Wrote:  @Aero, I was living in a village called “Chateaux de Paris”, near Tagaytay, yes, but I’m now living closer to the action.

Further, I’m one who just likes to drive, and I’ve been across Luzon multiple times. So among the guys on this board, I think I’d be among the most qualified to comment on this.

Most foreigners I’ve been seeing in Manila or surrounding areas are tallish, at least somewhat fit and at least average height (for a white), but usually not below average. The token White Omega In Asia is strangely rare in 2018. I’m not sure where he went. Africa? DeepCongoCupid?

You've also been banned twice (previously erikak and then digitalconquistador) so your not exactly a credible source.

Post: #299

^I was banned, yes. For saying exactly what everyone's saying now, 1-2 years later, that SEA is in decline, even though instead of just complaining I offered some solid advice on how to circumvent this problem. Another reason was for posting pictures of a pretty cute girl which for some reason led to the autistic butthurt rage of several people, including you, as I recall. Were you not among those who spammed PMs demanding proof that I was with the girl in question? Should I dredge up those PMs to help refresh your memory? Perhaps that is not required, as for some strange reason, you can still recall those old usernames, two years later. A lasting effect, then?

By the way, due to that ridiculous ban, I did not (could not) post an Amazon datasheet as I had planned, which would have been helpful to many.

Post: #300

(10-25-2018 09:48 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  One other thing I like about Filipinas, they don't use tampons

So, what do they do when, you know, erm, yeah, what do they do?