Post: #26

(09-14-2018 10:47 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  I think that probably all women enjoy the show of the force by pulling hair, spanking or choking.

Recently I was with a girl and she said she wants me to be rude to her, so I did thinks as usually (mentioned above) and after that she told me she meaned something more (more rude). She said that if I am doing MMA, I should do it to her. Does she wants me to knock her out, break her arm or dislocate her ankle... or what?

Yep, she wants Tier 4. War Machine game.

Post: #27

(09-13-2018 08:14 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 07:21 PM)Repo Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 05:15 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  I want nothing to do with a woman that is that mentally fucked that she "enjoys" being spat on her face or choked during sex.

Those sorts of things are the opposite of what I like to do during sex.

How would you even know though if you arent doing it? Most women dont ask for this to be done to them, them having to ask ruins the point of it. Plus many girls dont realize they love something until it's done to them.

Same argument could be made for a cleveland steamer session.

If you and the woman are into that shit (heh literally) then go for it, but I am not having that, or a woman that's into that shit in my bed.

Choking or spanking during sex is pretty natural.

But you didn't answer my question.

What happens when an LTR or your wife asks for more?

also a follow up:

How are you going to find out if a girl has/had an inner hoe in her past and did some pretty bad stuff?

Give her a lie detector? Do multiple interviews to see if her story sticks?

It's impossible to know a girls hoefax, ESPECIALLY if they're selling themselves as an LTR/Wifey material.

That's neurotic thinking, closest thing you can do when she says she wants you to choke her or slap her is pull your dick out mid session, then walk out the door.

Post: #28

Under what circumstances would you consider a girl to be LTR or wife material? It would seem to me that if she only wants plain vanilla sex and perhaps some elements of Tier 1 then yes. But I just can't see Tier 2 and above being someone you would want to LTR or wife up.

As for "How are you going to find out if a girl has/had an inner hoe in her past and did some pretty bad stuff?" Time will tell. Just listen and observe. You don't have to dig. The hoe will betray herself and thus be revealed.

Post: #29

If the girl knows what a Chilidog is, and or wants it. You know that she is wife material.

Post: #30

Some fantasies are much better watching on video than performing in real life

Post: #31

(09-13-2018 01:28 PM)BlackHussar Wrote:  I live in a more conservative society than you American guys, but in my experience, most of the girls won't complain (heh) to Kaotic's Tier 1 "standard play", and a decent percent will enjoy it.

I'd say only about 10-20% of girls here would want Tier 2, you would come off as perverse and strange to others; and as of Tier 3, maybe 1% . It's not even about (not) being kinky, it's about Slav mentality. If you asked my average countryman (or countryperson, it's more inclusive) about it, they would say things like "why?", "decadency", "why complicate and use ropes and cuffs, tie my hands with your belt and fuck me". We simply aren't on that level yet.

I've been with more than several girls whom I fucked hard, Tier1/2, but when we talked about extreme things, comments would usually be like "Latex suits? That's just nasty and strange. Ew."

Gee, I know what my older buddies or dad would say - something along the lines of: "if you need vibrators and leashes to make her happy, you're not a real man". Just whisky and doggie style and pound that pussy, man.

Really, I think sex is being dehumanised, it's about people, not about gadgets. There is nothing wrong with brutally fucking a girl, spanking, biting and pulling her hair - you're supposed to do it. However, things like ball gags, daddy/daughter, latex suits are just over the top in my opinion. You know why you're turned on by them? It's because of fucking porn.

I've read some studies about why Westerners are obsessed with kinkier stuff - Tier 3, incest, interracial, threesomes etc. It's because you've been so saturated and overwhelmed with regular porn that your brains are no longer stimulated by it, instead you must find new, taboo stuff because new things excite your brain. If you tell any Slav that you like watching incest porn, he'll ask what the hell is wrong with you...

Hell, if I fucked any Slavic girl and told her to call me daddy, she would also ask what the fuck is wrong with me, because it would also sound very paedo and creepy in my language. No one plays the daddy/girl game here, it just sounds wrong - HOWEVER, girls here play the domination game in other ways, and ask you "is that all you can do, tough guy?", when you start fucking her hard followed by "oh yeah boss", "I'm all yours", etc. Cultural differences, eh.

Additional anecdotal evidence... you know who likes cock the most?
Feminists, leftists and "good" girls.

I have to say, I agree.

Most girls don't actually like tier 2/3 stuff, they just like saying that they've done it. It's a mark of pride, showing their friends not only how perverse they are but how much of an alpha male they've captured.

I haven't used any toys or doo-hickeys in years and yet still dominate the hell out of my partners. It's all about how you make them feel, which includes what impression you leave on them outside the bedroom.

Post: #32

(09-14-2018 10:47 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  I think that probably all women enjoy the show of the force by pulling hair, spanking or choking.

Recently I was with a girl and she said she wants me to be rude to her, so I did thinks as usually (mentioned above) and after that she told me she meaned something more (more rude). She said that if I am doing MMA, I should do it to her. Does she wants me to knock her out, break her arm or dislocate her ankle... or what?

There are some women who enjoy getting legitimately beat up, very few in number although probably disproportionately represented among the subset of women who have any more than a passing familiarity with what MMA is in the first place. If she's not in that group, then she probably just means things like some of the positions (maybe don't pass her guard heh), RNC, etc

Post: #33

I literally cannot remember the last girl I banged that didn't like most/all of: slapping, spanking, choking, hair pulling, bondage, rough sex. The last 3 new girls I've been with specifically requested that as a minimum. One brought that up on our first meet even - no segue from me required. And they are from totally different parts of the world, from one of the biggest cities on earth to farm country in the midwest.

The next tier seems to be: spitting, pissing, leaving bruises, specific toys - whips, floggers, paddles, plugs, group sex. And definitely correlated with intelligence and advanced degrees [and worldliness it seems].

I've had two girls request I punch them in the face but I refuse to go that far.

Post: #34

It was only hinted at back in the thread mostly - but you need to differentiate between the B+D and the S+M part or know that she's down for both. Plenty of kinky girls don't like more than a little pain or bondage. They're the ones that want you to tell them exactly what to do, tie them up, use toys on them, cum on their face and tits, open to group sex, and the spanking/choking is light. Daddy fetishes, giving up control, very common for today's modern professional woman. Possibly open to bringing in other women.

The other ones want to feel it, desire impact play, instead of or alongside the other things listed. These girls will likely have fewer limits than you do if they're upfront about their kinks. Pain, humiliation, degradation, sexual slavery, 'Yes Master!'
Public sex, making videos, sport fucking, might be open to you bringing a guy friend along if that's your thing.

Post: #35

What's the deal with some guys in mostly anglo-germanic countries having to resort to using a bunch of toys and leather tools to get women off when guys in most of the rest of the world can get women off with what God gave them?

I can never get onboard with this stuff.

If you have to try this hard to be dominant, guess what, you're not dominant.

If anything, she's dominating you, by getting you to perform these things for her.

Post: #36

(09-13-2018 11:34 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Tier 1 "Standard Play":
-Getting their ass slapped so red
-Choking
-Slapping their face
-Cumming on their face (or wherever)
-Anal
-Lingerie

hmm...I'm not sure about face slapping being level 1

are you doing face slapping the first time you bang them or this is something you build up to over several bangs?

I choke, pull hair, manhandle and spank (ass slap) pretty much 100% of the time during first bang.

From big booty latinas, to tiny 18 year old nerdy asian chicks who seem super innocent, I've done the above with all types of girls on first bang and very rarely have any complaints.

But face slapping I only do on first bang if i sense the girl loves rough sex and will like it.

I would say slapping in the face is definitely more rough then choking,hair pulling and spanking.

But I'm talking about a legit slap in the face where it makes sounds, if your doing a light playful slap then i would understand how you are doing that consistently on first bang.

so yeah my question is: are you using legitimate face slap on first bang or you build up over several bangs?

Post: #37

(09-15-2018 04:32 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  I can never get onboard with this stuff.

If you have to try this hard to be dominant, guess what, you're not dominant.

You seem insecure.

Lots of girls enjoy being dominated. You don't need 'toys' for spanking, choking, slapping but if a girl likes other things - such as bondage or wax - as well you'd have to really lack self-confidence not to want to try them.

Bondage tape, belts, collar & leash costs virtually zero, and everyone owns a cell phone w/camera. Plus whatever they own. There's no downside.

I do whatever I want to girls I'm banging, unless they've expressed limits or use their safe word. I've done things I didn't even dream of 5 years ago. It makes sex more fun for me and they always call me again for more.

If that's not domination than the word has no meaning.

Post: #38

(09-16-2018 12:22 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 11:34 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Tier 1 "Standard Play":
-Getting their ass slapped so red
-Choking
-Slapping their face
-Cumming on their face (or wherever)
-Anal
-Lingerie

hmm...I'm not sure about face slapping being level 1

are you doing face slapping the first time you bang them or this is something you build up to over several bangs?

I choke, pull hair, manhandle and spank (ass slap) pretty much 100% of the time during first bang.

From big booty latinas, to tiny 18 year old nerdy asian chicks who seem super innocent, I've done the above with all types of girls on first bang and very rarely have any complaints.

But face slapping I only do on first bang if i sense the girl loves rough sex and will like it.

I think with spanking, choking, slapping, of course you start out light and then amp it up from there. I agree face slapping is not a beginner's move. Once you know she enjoys being roughly dominated you can introduce it, tell her you're going to slap her and see if she uses the safe word.

My experience is that girls who like it will flat out tell you they enjoy it when they know you're into rough sex.

Post: #39

(09-16-2018 10:51 AM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 04:32 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  I can never get onboard with this stuff.

If you have to try this hard to be dominant, guess what, you're not dominant.

You seem insecure.

Lots of girls enjoy being dominated. You don't need 'toys' for spanking, choking, slapping but if a girl likes other things - such as bondage or wax - as well you'd have to really lack self-confidence not to want to try them.

Bondage tape, belts, collar & leash costs virtually zero, and everyone owns a cell phone w/camera. Plus whatever they own. There's no downside.

I do whatever I want to girls I'm banging, unless they've expressed limits or use their safe word. I've done things I didn't even dream of 5 years ago. It makes sex more fun for me and they always call me again for more.

If that's not domination than the word has no meaning.

But what's the point and where's the enjoyment if the man isn't actually excited to do half of those things - if that - but merely feels he's required to do them in order to not disappoint the kinky slut he's banging, and failing to live up to some of her previous adventure fucks?

To each their own. Past manhandling, taking the lead in general and semi-rough face fucking and rough fucking, I rarely feel the urge to try the more "creative" tools (I've had some good experiences with toys and restraints - but that's amateur hour compared to what some of you apparently consider good sex - with some girlfriends and one-night stands, but it's definitely not something I feel the urge to do frequently).

Post: #40

Healthy:

She wants to please you. That could mean whatever weird shit you are in to.

Unhealthy:

She outright has some fetish she wants you to go along with, that you have never even hinted at.

One is pleasing, the other is pathological.

Post: #41

A more recent chick I banged wanted to be hit so hard, my hand actually hurt. She had some issues.

Post: #42

(09-14-2018 10:58 AM)Vienna Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 10:47 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  I think that probably all women enjoy the show of the force by pulling hair, spanking or choking.

Recently I was with a girl and she said she wants me to be rude to her, so I did thinks as usually (mentioned above) and after that she told me she meaned something more (more rude). She said that if I am doing MMA, I should do it to her. Does she wants me to knock her out, break her arm or dislocate her ankle... or what?

Yep, she wants Tier 4. War Machine game.

Tier 5 would be prison sex then.

Post: #43

I was one for a few months a couple of years ago that had me whip her with my belt before, choke her with during, and whip her again after. She was German so I guess thats probably normal there.

Post: #44

(09-15-2018 04:32 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  What's the deal with some guys in mostly anglo-germanic countries having to resort to using a bunch of toys and leather tools to get women off when guys in most of the rest of the world can get women off with what God gave them?
I can never get onboard with this stuff.
If you have to try this hard to be dominant, guess what, you're not dominant.
If anything, she's dominating you, by getting you to perform these things for her.

If you ask people who are into Bondage/S&M they say they are misunderstood, that it's not cruel, but rather a form of trust to do those sorts of stunts. Stopwords, etc... However, that's not the only way to express trust with a partner.

I resist the idea of one-size-fits-all prescriptions when it comes to pleasing women in the bedroom. Men always try to oversimplify when women are really this, as we all know from seeing this damn image so many times:



So maybe all women respond to hair-pulling and slapping and things like that, but they ALSO respond to other things in the gentler/precision/edging/tantra side of the spectrum, which is where I like to focus. And it just so happens to be a lot harder to master than pulling a woman's hair or dripping candle-wax on her, hence not as many guys can do it my way.

Post: #45

Of course, nobody ever said some girls don't enjoy relaxing sex as well. And rotating btw the two. Every girl has different needs.

Having said that, a girl you can game into bed for a ONS [mostly the point of this forum] is much likelier to be seeking adventure sex, something she can't get from her beta ex-boyfriend who used to fuck her oh-so-gently.

There's a reason the #1 female fantasy is being overpowered by a strange man and not listening to smooth jazz while doing missionary with their husbands.

Post: #46

^^^Donny I've seen some of your talent and what you do with these girls, I think for good measure there should be a note included for the girls you bang (as in how you meet them) - since it's not for the average joe or player lol (not criticizing you at all)

Post: #47

(09-14-2018 11:32 AM)kaotic Wrote:  But you didn't answer my question.

What happens when an LTR or your wife asks for more?

also a follow up:

How are you going to find out if a girl has/had an inner hoe in her past and did some pretty bad stuff?

Yeah I did...

What would YOU do, if a LTR asks you to <Insert some activity YOU find disgusting and an indicator of mental damage here>

You eject from that LTR, because you know she is not for you.

How do you know? You are right, you don't up front, but the truth will come out eventually, or if she hides it well, she will lose interest and leave herself.

Everyone (hopefully) has a line of debasement and mental health boundary of what they will do for sex.

Mine is definitely at the spit on her face and slap her during sex stage.

Porn has really normalised some degrading and disgusting behavior.

If people like shitting on each other, spitting, slapping, choking each other, then all well and good, go for it, but that's not my cup of tea.

And what you might like to do for a one off adventure with a slut during a ONS is far different to a LTR

Post: #48

Rat I get where you're coming from because I 100% agree on the porn thing and having a healthy boundary during sex.

Thing is, some girls have done some outlandish shit being young and dumb, but shape up when growing up and turn out to be great partners.

Question is, does it damage them permanently? (Mileage may vary) If you found out are you willing to forgive her past? (Then it becomes a philosophical hoe a housewive debate)

The other scenario isn't an LTR - it's a wife you've married and possibly have kids with. What then? That's a whole different can of worms.

Post: #49

The ironic thing is that after kinky playtime, sex for me almost always finishes with me on top, them on their back while I pin their legs back. Not really all that different from good ol' missionary.

Post: #50

I'll make some frownings with all angry autists who can't accept this fact but... :
- Women love submissive men in sex, so if that's your thing you can ask her. As for me, I've never been refused any degrading punishment when I asked.
- They also love being dominated and raped. Most girls like to be choked, spat on, slapped, etc. Really the only thing that's sometimes problematic for me is doing anal to them, especially asians a lot of them refuse. But that's not really my thing anyway so I guess I kinda half-ass it when I try to anal them.