Post: #1

I discovered pickup in 2012. I was 28 years old, 5'9 250 lbs, norwood 5, had no idea how to venue hunt. I could still pull a 7 through cold approach a few times a year and sometimes make her into my girlfriend for a few months. All I had to do was sit 10 or 20 feet from a pretty girl and stare hard at her, about 5% of the time I got a strong IOI and from there, go over and talk and it was ez to close. This was all from daygame in crowded places (parks, festivals, public transportation, etc)

In the 6 years since then I've lost 70 pounds, a norwood point, and learned a lot more about combing the internet for venues. I have popping zygos and a 6 pack where I used to have squirrel cheeks and a fupa.

The game's gotten harder, not easier. I don't have a single lay this year...

In my view "girls just wanna have fun" died out in 2016ish. Young women nowadays have an ego-driven sort of prudishness. "If I can't have an apex chad who is also unwaveringly loyal to me I'd rather just stay celibate." It's not conservative morals, saving for marriage, etc. More like misanthropy and a total lack of interest in association with anyone below the tip top of the social ladder.

I sit next to a girl and before I can say anything, she quietly says "excuse me", gets up and walks off.
Or I'm talking to a girl, and the first time I touch her she recoils like I'm trying to brand her and goes "NOOOOOOOOO" or "please don't"
Or the conversation seems okay, but it has a 100% chance of leading to a polite rejection "I'm flattered but no thanks. ?"
I never get IOIs off a long stare anymore, that angle is totally dead.

This shit didn't start happening until a couple years ago.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

Post: #2

I don't look for IOIs. They're not useful because you end up doing way fewer sets. Daygame was always a numbers game, so just hit on any girl who takes your fancy.

What style of game you spittin? Are you going for a particular age range?

Some girls are bitches, true, but it's just the law of averages. If you talk to 30 girls a month with decent game then you'll bang one of them. That is also the law of averages...

Post: #3

This summer has gone so well I've actually gotten a bit bored.
Started playing Quake again and now thinking about dropping a couple grand on a new gaming PC...

Post: #4

I notice it has been harder but my results only went down by like 10-20% maybe. This accumulates though.

I think this happens as more guys become red pill they take a bigger bite of the pie.

1st generation players. 2nd generation players (think i'm second generation). 3rd generation players.

Shit always starts to suck when 3rd generation gets into it. I can't hate too much though because I ride primarily on the wave of 1st generation trail blazers and might still be a newbie without them.

Post: #5

2018 has been rough but overall not bad. Only 4 chicks so far this year, but I am in one of the toughest markets-Miami is hard as hell. I think my time will be 2019-2020, career and sex life should be really on point then. It will never be like 1991-2004 when the game was easy, but it will be good.

Post: #6

First post here so bear with me. One thing I’ve noticed (I just graduated from a large Northeastern college) is that like Roosh said in one of his videos, girls are going out of their way now to hurt you as much as possible. When I was a beta pussy in high school, girls would at least try to be nice to you when they rejected you. Now they go out of their way to hurt you as much as possible. Honestly I’m looking into finding out how I can leave the west entirely eventually. I’m 22 now and realize if I want any chance of getting a woman who hasn’t taken anyone else’s dick I have to leave the country and be as young as I can pull that off. Also the cancer is spreading throughout the world, soon the women elsewhere will be just as shitty as here.

Post: #7

Both good and bad. Notches are terribly low but I have noticed improvement on my SMV plus I've stepped up my daygame. We still have a couple of months until the year ends. The tide may turn.

Post: #8

I can totally relate to this thread.

I too was 28 in 2012 and didn’t have much game but was working on it.

2014-2016 really were the golden years.

Since then it has really dropped off for me. This year only 1 lay. I’m not sure where to go from here.

I think you are right - it seems as though female equivalent of male incels are on the rise - except it’s actually voluntary for females...

PS how did you drop a Norwood point?

Post: #9

(09-05-2018 04:09 PM)Weird Al Spankabitch Wrote:   Also the cancer is spreading throughout the world, soon the women elsewhere will be just as shitty as here.

Soon?

Post: #10

(09-05-2018 04:09 PM)Weird Al Spankabitch Wrote:  First post here so bear with me. One thing I’ve noticed (I just graduated from a large Northeastern college) is that like Roosh said in one of his videos, girls are going out of their way now to hurt you as much as possible. When I was a beta pussy in high school, girls would at least try to be nice to you when they rejected you. Now they go out of their way to hurt you as much as possible. Honestly I’m looking into finding out how I can leave the west entirely eventually. I’m 22 now and realize if I want any chance of getting a woman who hasn’t taken anyone else’s dick I have to leave the country and be as young as I can pull that off. Also the cancer is spreading throughout the world, soon the women elsewhere will be just as shitty as here.

yeah this matches my experience sadly. I notice the humour that women respond to the most too is status humour where you kick someone when they're down. eg) You're the king who is highly intelligent and you make fun of a dunce peasant. They'll say in a playful way 'you're such an asshole' - as they get moist and your cruelty.

I'm more or less an empath though so this type of humour does not appeal to me. One of my natural buddies does this kind of humour all the time and tooled me in front of a girl that ended up being his girlfriend. Should probably drop him as a friend to be honest.

Post: #11

Well, this shit has been spreading for a while, but I don’t think the girls in nonwestern countries are nearly as awful as in the Anglosphere. It’s definitely getting worse everywhere and fast, but for example church girls basically don’t exist in the America anymore.

Edit: This is in reply to lonewolf I tried to quote you but I’m a noob to the forum and fucked it up.

Post: #12

I stopped becoming a player and started focusing more on fuck buddies, multiple long-term relationships and open long-term relationships. Beginning of the year was a disaster trying to master "the talk" with my plates. Lost 3 total. I hit a turning point in June. 2 plates were down for a MLTR (Multiple long-term relationship.) I'm doing what our founding father (Mystery) was unable to do. Have 2+ girlfriends that know about each other and accept me fucking others. So far, its a game changer for me. I got really lonely being a player. All the jaded sex, well you guys know. Now I get to spend nights, go out and "hang out" without fear of neediness leaking out or her assuming I'm a beta. Call me beta but I enjoy buying bitches flowers, if they deserve it of course.

I also stopped screening in Jan of this year. I now categorize woman in 3 different categories. FB's, MLTR's and OLTR's. This allows me to change my game accordingly. I'm surprised how well it works.

We are headed down a non-monogamous path which is imo, the only positive outlook the game community has to look forward to.

I know I was vague as hell. The rules state not to promote anything so without promoting I'll just say I read this book if anyone interested.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_...ip+manuals

So so far, 2018 has been a real learning period for me.

Post: #13

(09-05-2018 05:45 PM)bonkers Wrote:  I can totally relate to this thread.

I too was 28 in 2012 and didn’t have much game but was working on it.

2014-2016 really were the golden years.

Since then it has really dropped off for me. This year only 1 lay. I’m not sure where to go from here.

I think you are right - it seems as though female equivalent of male incels are on the rise - except it’s actually voluntary for females...

Now that you mention it, I saw a female offering a room for rent, but with the potential intent of finding a relationship, on a Craigslist ad for the first time ever this month.

I'd seen men do this before, but never a woman. The repercussions of the societal changes that are taking place right now are going to be massive.

This is the ad:

Quote:$800 Looking for the perfect dog-loving guy couch potato roommate

This post might get deleted ASAP, but I'm going to take my shot. I'm in need of a roommate and prefer a guy who likes dogs, has a good job, isn't a jail bird, and doesn't have issues with drinking and drugs. I like watching TV and playing poker, so I'm basically a couch potato. Sometimes I go out of town for poker tournaments, so it would be great if you'd be ok with watching my dog when I'm away. I have a very cute beagle / dachshund mix who's a couch potato, too, and he likes to sleep a lot and watch a lot of TV. Honestly, it would be awesome if my roommate and I ended up really hitting it off and getting married, but if not, then it would be great if we could be friends as well as roommates. I'm a 39 year old fun-loving, easy-going girl who has a good job, doesn't like drama, and who's a good person with a big heart. If you think you'd be the right roommate for me, then please respond to my post ASAP.

What's interesting is when I see some guy trying to pull this stunt, it's always "You Pay Free Rent In Exchange For Being My Live-In Girlfriend" or something along that vein.

On the other hand, when a girl pulls this stunt, it's "You Pay $800/Month Rent and Take Care of My Dogs In Exchange For Being My Live-In Boyfriend."

The guy is still the one paying, haha. And on top of that, taking care of the dogs.

A classic case of "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose."

Check your privilege, men, check your privilege.

Post: #14

2018 has been great. Most of it has been focused on changing my lifestyle and further improving my habits. I've been suffering from some pretty bad player burnout over the last couple of months, even though the Tampa-St Pete area is easy to succeed in.

2017 I was notching women left and right, but that was hollow and unfulfilling. It greatly advanced my women skills, but didn't add much to my life besides a much improved understanding of relationship dynamics and female psychology. More focused on quality as opposed to quantity right now. I'd enjoy having a girlfriend, and a few side pieces while I focus on lifestyle goals but I'm not in any hurry. My rotation is solid right now even though I don't have that "centerpiece" quality girl.

To add to your point OP, this year I've definitely suffered more rejections this year than in previous years. I love women, but these days it seems even the good ones don't add a tremendous amount of value to your life. This is a new development for me, and hopefully some of the older guys have input on even good women not adding value. I look at it as "if they're there, great. If not, great!" Either way, I'm going to enjoy my life.

Besides that, I don't think game has gotten harder. It's just changing. Either you adapt, or I'll adapt and fuck her for you.

Post: #15

(09-05-2018 08:32 PM)S3K2 Wrote:  I stopped becoming a player and started focusing more on fuck buddies, multiple long-term relationships and open long-term relationships. Beginning of the year was a disaster trying to master "the talk" with my plates. Lost 3 total. I hit a turning point in June. 2 plates were down for a MLTR (Multiple long-term relationship.) I'm doing what our founding father (Mystery) was unable to do. Have 2+ girlfriends that know about each other and accept me fucking others. So far, its a game changer for me. I got really lonely being a player. All the jaded sex, well you guys know. Now I get to spend nights, go out and "hang out" without fear of neediness leaking out or her assuming I'm a beta. Call me beta but I enjoy buying bitches flowers, if they deserve it of course.

Why do they know about each other? This is a big mistake!

Unless you're 2 or 3 SMV points above each girl, there's no way to maintain such a situation long term. High qual girls will not put up with there being other women around for any length of time.

Just have a few girlfriends who don't know about each other, much less stress and more sustainable.

Post: #16

Holy mother of God! I thought I was the only one.

2014 - Bang first girl age 25, 1.5 year relationship with this girl
2016 - My golden year for game banging 16 girls mostly in Eastern Europe after crazy amounts of effort (and time off work).
2017 - Another 16 lays but 11 of those were from Mexico. Overall 1/4 effort of 2016 put in

2018 - ....... 0 ...... lays

This year has been a total joke as far as pussy is concerned 300+ approaches, about 10 or so dates, fucked them all up. Screwed up with a '4.5' who my buddy had banged and had 'gifted' to me out of sympathy. Got rejected by a girl another friend tried to set me up with after seeing my photo. No tinder dates. Like not even 1. Granted I was based in Poland quite a lot which has gone completely down-hill. And I thought my SMV had levelled up slightly (like 0.5) since 2017!

All will be made right when I visit Vietnam and Mexico later this year. Thing is though, notches from 'easier' countries don't count so much when you don't plan to live there. I also have a cute FB I've managed to retain for 1.5 years so this makes it a little easier

Post: #17

(09-05-2018 03:46 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  2018 has been rough but overall not bad. Only 4 chicks so far this year, but I am in one of the toughest markets-Miami is hard as hell. I think my time will be 2019-2020, career and sex life should be really on point then. It will never be like 1991-2004 when the game was easy, but it will be good.

Been gaming since '91? Damn bro, would love to sit and have a chat with you over a few drinks. Next time I'm in Miami for Ultra music festival I will hit you up.

Post: #18

(09-06-2018 11:39 PM)WannaBang Wrote:  Holy mother of God! I thought I was the only one.

2014 - Bang first girl age 25, 1.5 year relationship with this girl
2016 - My golden year for game banging 16 girls mostly in Eastern Europe after crazy amounts of effort (and time off work).
2017 - Another 16 lays but 11 of those were from Mexico. Overall 1/4 effort of 2016 put in

2018 - ....... 0 ...... lays

This year has been a total joke as far as pussy is concerned 300+ approaches, about 10 or so dates, fucked them all up. Screwed up with a '4.5' who my buddy had banged and had 'gifted' to me out of sympathy. Got rejected by a girl another friend tried to set me up with after seeing my photo. No tinder dates. Like not even 1. Granted I was based in Poland quite a lot which has gone completely down-hill. And I thought my SMV had levelled up slightly (like 0.5) since 2017!

All will be made right when I visit Vietnam and Mexico later this year. Thing is though, notches from 'easier' countries don't count so much when you don't plan to live there. I also have a cute FB I've managed to retain for 1.5 years so this makes it a little easier

Damn... upvoted for the honesty man. How does it feel psychologically going from such high numbers to a 0? You say your SMV increased by 0.5, so what factors do you think made it that you're stuck this year. Is it the fact that girls are getting more superficial and game getting harder if you don't focus on social media game, or could it be that you're just not that motivated and hungry for pussy as you were once you started out in 2016? Do you think you need a location change to freshen things up? Very curious.

Post: #19

My worst year ever. On the one hand I'm at my looks peak and I can get good reactions and makeouts easier than I ever could before.

But conversion is abysmal. Toronto is just insanely hard, available girls are near non-existent, it gets worse each year like some kind of bottomless pit, and all this is pointedly so if you're a minority. If I had any sense I'd thrown in the towel but the mind cannot accept defeat.

Post: #20

Financially 2018 has been the worst year of my life. Had a big investment go bad, left my job in search of a professional training contract which I can't seem to find and wrote off a car, these failures have filtered into all areas of my life.

My peer group is moving on with people becoming increasingly serious romantically and otherwise and I seem to be stuck in pernicious limbo. I also seem to be attracting very young girls (14-18) despite me being 24 - which makes me incredibly uncomfortable (I'm not even young looking and have thick stubble - Nick Bateman-esque). Perhaps it all may be because I've moved in with my parents again and frequently accompany my mum on shopping trips.

I find myself having to drop down a socio-economic class given my employment status - even though I'm not really NEET (pursuing an advanced degree as well). The quality I'm pulling is still the same though I wouldn't want to introduce my friends to most of these broads.

Post: #21

Plenty of ups and downs - nothing inbetween. Was either continually depressed this year rotting in my uni dorm or on the other end of the world getting laid for the first time with fly chicks and seeing wonders of the world. That made me broke as I got into debt but I've been working more now and earnt it all back (and more), it's good life is slowly balancing itself out for me because this year has been too intense and I still have plenty of adventures ahead of me before it's 2019.

My game journey has made leaps but unfortunately it is inconsistent, right now my self esteem is low and I am not actively doing much. 2 months ago I had so much confidence I felt like I could bang any women I wanted when I walked on the street. I still haven't cold approached nearly enough as much as I wanted this year and I could have easily banged a chick in these last two months but I am being lazy.

I nearly checked off most of my 2018 goals so far except from I need 2 more notches. For those who haven't fulfilled 2018's goals, we have under 3 months - let's get them

Post: #22

2018 has been an OK year.
I'm now moving into my fourth year of MLTR-ing, having 2 steady girls on my rotation.
I was able to have a side piece once a quarter. I continue to log my approaches, and probably approach 1-2 times a week (not including online). I'm less satisfied with the quality of my side pieces, but I tend not to invest in it (my choice).
Both of my MLTRs professed their love, again and again or me. I make the effort to reduce drama (works, most of the time) and enjoy life.

I became legally unemployed, but got 2 consulting gigs (till mid-2019).

I maintain close relations with my soon-to-be teenage girls, and continue to be on good terms with my Ex-wife. This also makes my life both harder (invrsting in my family) and easier (Minimum drama, satisfaction).

All in all it is not the best, or the worst. Just an OK year.

Post: #23

Pretty solid year so far, we've still got 3.5 months left of the year though. Broke up with a 2 year LTR first 1/3rd of the year, did a little traveling and single night laid a couple girls so far, totaled 4 new girls on the year. If I can get another 2 or 3 on the year I'll be content, as my focus has been significantly on business. I am pretty happy to be single again, and have been rolling out dolo as most of my friends are in relationships and don't really game anymore. As winter rolls around, I will probably do a bit more traveling alone and getting working on my physique and business interests.

2018 was likely one of the best years for personal growth that I've had, no complaints on my end.

Post: #24

(09-06-2018 12:28 AM)don_quixote Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 08:32 PM)S3K2 Wrote:  I stopped becoming a player and started focusing more on fuck buddies, multiple long-term relationships and open long-term relationships. Beginning of the year was a disaster trying to master "the talk" with my plates. Lost 3 total. I hit a turning point in June. 2 plates were down for a MLTR (Multiple long-term relationship.) I'm doing what our founding father (Mystery) was unable to do. Have 2+ girlfriends that know about each other and accept me fucking others. So far, its a game changer for me. I got really lonely being a player. All the jaded sex, well you guys know. Now I get to spend nights, go out and "hang out" without fear of neediness leaking out or her assuming I'm a beta. Call me beta but I enjoy buying bitches flowers, if they deserve it of course.

Why do they know about each other? This is a big mistake!

Unless you're 2 or 3 SMV points above each girl, there's no way to maintain such a situation long term. High qual girls will not put up with there being other women around for any length of time.

Just have a few girlfriends who don't know about each other, much less stress and more sustainable.

Negative. They know about each other because it equals less drama and more retention in the long run. Imagine fucking your girl, than you hear the door and your "other" girl comes in, hear you fucking, takes her clothes off and starts playing with your balls while fucking your other girl. Yes, this can be done.

Long term you ask? well these 2 specific girls have been my MLTR girls for over 3 years now. This is on top of having a Open relationship with my wife.

What you speak of is pre-feminist movement game. It's 2018, gotta change your game with the movement. Want more info, check out this guys blog.

http://www.blackdragonblog.com/

Alpha 2.0, time to get off of that territorial alpha 1.0 bs.