Post: #26

Social life post college is going to take a hit each year. Friends become unavailable, people work and just hang around with their girlfriend / spouse / children. People become increasingly miserable post college. In college everyone is or should be having fun. Everyone still has a great view of a world filled with opportunities. Then most of those people post college start working a stressful job for a wage that barely allows them to make ends meet. I'm not sure if this a North American issue or a worldwide issue. I suspect its more prevalent in the 1st world due to the life patterns people follow of College ---> Job --> girlfriend / fiancee around 22-25) ---> children around 30.

I have had a good business for a while and I can tell you college for me was miles funner than making a bunch of money. However the sacrifices I made after college will allow me to have potentially a more fun life by the time I'm 30 (I'm close) then I had even in college. The more money = more happiness dilemma that a ton of people fall for if not the majority isn't really true. The increased value you'll get from each additional amount of money you make will become near redundant. What really makes people happy is socializing and being with other people you enjoy being with. It really doesn't matter if you drink a $500 bottle of champagne or a $30 bottle of whisky. The enjoyment you get is the people around you. Unfortunately as we age in North America we make plenty of decisions as a society that increasingly reduce are social time.

As an example in Cuba a couple weeks ago I got taxis to and from a nightclub, pizza afterwards, paid 2 covers, got bottle service and spent $20. I've had a similar night in Canada where my bank account has been $1,000+ shorter than it was the night before. I didn't have anymore fun than I did with $20. Even in Canada the nights where you get drunk with your buddies at house parties and spend $20 on booze are just as much fun if not more than the nights where you spend significantly more. If you ask me my ideal night it would probably involve a bottle of whisky, friend(s) and a night out chasing tail or coming home to it. I don't need to be super rich to do that.

If you haven't had the chance its probably worth reading this post involving a popular parable of the Mexican Fisherman and the Banker. /thread-37568...#pid765978

You probably will be best to join groups with similar interests especially groups that will have nights out. (For example a dance school) Its tough though to make real friends post college. Keep in mind all it takes is one great friend who is available. One great friend that is available is 10x more valuable than dozens of acquaintances.

One of things I fail to understand is why we don't see more guys who are in a LTR or married even with a kid in one country and single in other places / countries. That to me is the ultimate set up if you can swing it from my perspective. My daughter gives me more happiness than anything else in the world but I also enjoy being able to drink freely with the guys and not worry about getting home by a certain time.

Some professionals and business owners will be able to do this by attending "conferences" all over the place. (Even monthly) Or by having a business in two separate locations. Others who are location independent can have a kid in Thailand and go wild in Philippines for example. You get the love and affection that we need and you get to the excitement and joy of the freedom and chase.

One of the things as people will age is they will still probably like the same things they liked when they were younger...food, friends, fuck, events, drink, sex, travel. The problem is society in all kinds of ways pressure us to follow the American dream and even if you don't buy in the vast majority of friends you've had growing up if not all of them will buy in.

Post: #27

I think the discussion for how tough it is to rival the social life and opportunities that some fraternity guy has is for another thread. We have bounced back and forth between how it is impossible to rival versus how it can be rivaled. Even at my alma mater which at one point was the top party school in the country, I found that the guys in the top frat were using Tinder, preferring bars over house parties and not exactly living the party hard every weekend. Then again, there is obvious bias on my part not to believe that lol!

As for the getting older and people going to boring lives part, this is where I have tons of faith in my fellow millennials to break the mold.

In some ways, I believe older generations envy millennials for having the guts to say no to marriage in their twenties and to live out a prolonged youth. I have faith that millennials and future generations will give a middle finger to the boring marriage lifestyle and actually live out their lives. Maybe this leads to a creation of a whole new scene post college which can present social opportunities.

As for groups themselves, I am trying to find some legitimate ones to be a part of this year. Doing sports again but want to work on something more fun that can put me in touch with the socially well connected twenty-somethings.

Post: #28

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I live in a big city now and my social life is better than it was in college.

Want to fly down to the mountains for the weekend? Sure
Call up a buddy and stay at his place on the beach? Yep
Go into the city and hit up some incredible nightclubs? No problem.

First off don't live in bumfuck nowhere, second have a decent job, third be someone who is actually fun and people want to hang around.

Post: #29

(06-24-2018 12:10 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I think the discussion for how tough it is to rival the social life and opportunities that some fraternity guy has is for another thread. We have bounced back and forth between how it is impossible to rival versus how it can be rivaled. Even at my alma mater which at one point was the top party school in the country, I found that the guys in the top frat were using Tinder, preferring bars over house parties and not exactly living the party hard every weekend. Then again, there is obvious bias on my part not to believe that lol!

As for the getting older and people going to boring lives part, this is where I have tons of faith in my fellow millennials to break the mold.

In some ways, I believe older generations envy millennials for having the guts to say no to marriage in their twenties and to live out a prolonged youth. I have faith that millennials and future generations will give a middle finger to the boring marriage lifestyle and actually live out their lives. Maybe this leads to a creation of a whole new scene post college which can present social opportunities.

As for groups themselves, I am trying to find some legitimate ones to be a part of this year. Doing sports again but want to work on something more fun that can put me in touch with the socially well connected twenty-somethings.

One key to staying active as you progress in age is never slipping on the physical fitness. Don't let a crappy diet & too much alcohol overtake your fitness regimen. Make an effort to stay healthy!

Post: #30

(06-20-2018 11:48 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  Social life post college is going to take a hit each year. Friends become unavailable, people work and just hang around with their girlfriend / spouse / children. People become increasingly miserable post college. In college everyone is or should be having fun. Everyone still has a great view of a world filled with opportunities. Then most of those people post college start working a stressful job for a wage that barely allows them to make ends meet. I'm not sure if this a North American issue or a worldwide issue. I suspect its more prevalent in the 1st world due to the life patterns people follow of College ---> Job --> girlfriend / fiancee around 22-25) ---> children around 30.

I have had a good business for a while and I can tell you college for me was miles funner than making a bunch of money. However the sacrifices I made after college will allow me to have potentially a more fun life by the time I'm 30 (I'm close) then I had even in college. The more money = more happiness dilemma that a ton of people fall for if not the majority isn't really true. The increased value you'll get from each additional amount of money you make will become near redundant. What really makes people happy is socializing and being with other people you enjoy being with. It really doesn't matter if you drink a $500 bottle of champagne or a $30 bottle of whisky. The enjoyment you get is the people around you. Unfortunately as we age in North America we make plenty of decisions as a society that increasingly reduce are social time.

As an example in Cuba a couple weeks ago I got taxis to and from a nightclub, pizza afterwards, paid 2 covers, got bottle service and spent $20. I've had a similar night in Canada where my bank account has been $1,000+ shorter than it was the night before. I didn't have anymore fun than I did with $20. Even in Canada the nights where you get drunk with your buddies at house parties and spend $20 on booze are just as much fun if not more than the nights where you spend significantly more. If you ask me my ideal night it would probably involve a bottle of whisky, friend(s) and a night out chasing tail or coming home to it. I don't need to be super rich to do that.

If you haven't had the chance its probably worth reading this post involving a popular parable of the Mexican Fisherman and the Banker. /thread-37568...#pid765978

You probably will be best to join groups with similar interests especially groups that will have nights out. (For example a dance school) Its tough though to make real friends post college. Keep in mind all it takes is one great friend who is available. One great friend that is available is 10x more valuable than dozens of acquaintances.

One of things I fail to understand is why we don't see more guys who are in a LTR or married even with a kid in one country and single in other places / countries. That to me is the ultimate set up if you can swing it from my perspective. My daughter gives me more happiness than anything else in the world but I also enjoy being able to drink freely with the guys and not worry about getting home by a certain time.

Some professionals and business owners will be able to do this by attending "conferences" all over the place. (Even monthly) Or by having a business in two separate locations. Others who are location independent can have a kid in Thailand and go wild in Philippines for example. You get the love and affection that we need and you get to the excitement and joy of the freedom and chase.

One of the things as people will age is they will still probably like the same things they liked when they were younger...food, friends, fuck, events, drink, sex, travel. The problem is society in all kinds of ways pressure us to follow the American dream and even if you don't buy in the vast majority of friends you've had growing up if not all of them will buy in.

There's a lot of truth in this post. I never went to college because I thought being an entrepreneur would be a much better way to succeed in life and I thought I would be making millions as soon as I finished highschool. I had some short lived victories but for the most part the last couple years I have been broke, almost became homeless and constantly struggled over money which resulted in me not really being able to enjoy anything else. I'm from the west but for the last little while I've been in a shitty developing country working on a business venture that I got sucked into that is going absolutely nowhere. Everything in this shitty 3rd world country has been going wrong so a while ago I stopped focusing on the project I came her for and started re focusing on doing some kind of online/tech business. My online venture I've started is now starting to pick up some steam and I'll be starting a 6 figure contract that will run 6 months starting in a couple weeks from now.

With this money I'll leave this shithole and live the life I thought I'd be living right out of high school and head back to civilization. I'm only 21 and some of you might think it's entitled of me to think I'd have success at such an early age but in reality I haven't been successful for the last couple years and it's only now I'm seeing any benefit because I went about things in an unconventional way. My main goal was always to get money to live a better life, when you have no money you have no clarity you're never able to think straight and that will affect every aspect of your life.

All this negativity has kind of made me able to look onto other things in a different lens and now that I'll finally be making some decent money it's making me reflect on a lot of things. Now when I look back to my motivations right out of high school the main reason I didn't go to college was mainly a financial one, I didn't want to be broke all throughout my college years and then graduate at 22 still broke and looking for a job that probably wouldn't be there and would result in me being poor through my 20's. Not once did things like social interactions, fun times, "the college experience" etc. ever really play a part in my decision. However at 21 now that I'll be making some money it's the first time I've actually considered going to college. I won't be stressed out about money and would actually be able to enjoy things. I used to think university was just one big meme and there was nothing useful to study in college but recently I've seen some things that I would actually be interested in studying in college that could actually benefit my life and my business.

Like lavidaloca having a business and making money is great but for your financial situation but it adds absolutely nothing to your social situation. Being surrounded by hot girls your age is much more enjoyable then dealing with old businessmen.

Maybe I'm only considering going to college now because being in this 3rd world country for so long has driven me insane, but maybe it really can provide an enjoyable experience and I've just been looking at things in the wrong lens until now. I guess the bullshit of business and the people that it entails dealing with has made me interested in simpler things.

The only thing in the back of my mind now is the age gap. If I do end up attending university it will be next year and I will be 22 at that time, the age were people are supposed to be graduating at. However looking at the stats in Canada the median University graduate is 24.8 and the average university graduate is 26. Probably do to all the people going into Uni not knowing what they want to do and switching majors and the people that take off time and start later like me. However the only thing that really makes me question things is that I could be seen as old starting at 22.

Also to touch on what Lavidaloca said about having LTRs in different countries and being more in bachelor mode in other countries I also think this is one of the best way to go about things. If your financial situation approves of this kind of lifestyle it probably provides some of the most fun and fulfilling experiences you could have.

Post: #31

I think if you are starting college in your twenties, it depends a lot on the kind of school you are going after. What I would do is explore more regarding the school and its culture, in some cases you could legitimately fit in the with the social crowd there. Not as familiar with Canada and its college scene so you're better off asking the Canadian users on this forum about that.

Not to take this thread into a depressing direction but I've realized that all along, I just wanted to feel like I actually belong among a higher value group of people around my age. Even looking back at college, my social life wasn't absolutely horrendous but at the same time, I was never a part of the crews and social crowds which had the hot girls and fun shit going on. So even as I post this thread I feel like I am being a whiny bitch about my college days because the issue wasn't a difficulty making friends, I've had a few good friends from back in my college days. The issue all along was that I could not mix in with the crowds around my age I wanted to mix in with.

Ever since moving away from NYC (sure as hell want to move back soon), I moved into an apartment complex which has some college kids in it. One girl who is 19 has been giving me strong IOIs and even approached me once with her friends, she wanted to speak with me when I was out at a park nearby, realized I was her neighbor. I mean while I could smash, I just cannot imagine myself being an older guy that dates college girls or even spends time with them. The issue isn't them being vapid or anything like that, it is having that feeling of me being over 22 and mixing up with college kids and not people around my own age.

Yet at the same time I think if I had something like that in college how much happier I will be.

Moving on from the soapbox.....

I wonder if younger networking events in industries full of younger people are yet another way to meet some cool friends. Like I know it is networking but they are not your coworkers and a lot of them might just be in the same situation as you, if you hit it off, that could be something else worth looking into.

Something else I though of, why not nightgame at bars that attract younger crowds or better yet, get a side-job there? You could somehow, on a long enough timeline, build a decent network and some girls might introduce you to their friends or you meet great friends through them.

Trial and error though, trial and error.

Post: #32

Move to NYC or Chicago.

I’m in my early 30s. If you stay in even a tier 2 city, you are going to feel old much quicker.

Post: #33

(07-02-2018 01:03 PM)jbkunt2 Wrote:  Move to NYC or Chicago.

I’m in my early 30s. If you stay in even a tier 2 city, you are going to feel old much quicker.

Anymore North American cities to add to the list?

I never hung out too much with the over 30 crowd in NYC but would love to hear from older players here about those experiences.

Post: #34

(07-03-2018 07:13 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I never hung out too much with the over 30 crowd in NYC but would love to hear from older players here about those experiences.

Did you ever hang out in the meatpacking district? Plenty of older ppl around there - ppl in their 30s/40s and sometimes even in their 50s. It's not too unusual considering it's Manhattan and there's loads of very rich ppl, with a sizable number of them divorced/single. And the MeatPacking can get kinda expensive too.

In the EV/LES of course the age range skews much younger. Man those were some epic nights...

Post: #35

(07-07-2018 12:12 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 07:13 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I never hung out too much with the over 30 crowd in NYC but would love to hear from older players here about those experiences.

Did you ever hang out in the meatpacking district? Plenty of older ppl around there - ppl in their 30s/40s and sometimes even in their 50s. It's not too unusual considering it's Manhattan and there's loads of very rich ppl, with a sizable number of them divorced/single. And the MeatPacking can get kinda expensive too.

In the EV/LES of course the age range skews much younger. Man those were some epic nights...

Not enough man, I did a few times but can count that on one hand. I am eyeing a nightlife gig in Manhattan in those areas as soon as I get back up to NYC, discussed that in our other thread, it will be competitive but I feel like persistence, resilience and trying hard (as with game lol) might pay off.

Dude, I have been dreading life ever since moving out of the Big Apple, I need to move back as soon as possible.