Post: #26

(06-09-2018 01:40 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  That's kind of bizarre. Between this and gencon there seems to be a concentrated push trying to move feminism past video games into related offline past times people have.

Why? Comics and tabletop games are pretty niche.

Because politics is downstream from culture.

In this case I think tabletop games, comics, etc. tend to be hobbies of high IQ male teenage nerds, many of whom later go on to become university professors, scientists, programmers in the tech industry and stuff like that.

Sounds a bit far-fetched, and yes it is just a tiny niche, but what they are going for is full spectrum cultural dominance.
Leftist indoctrination by a thousand cuts.

Post: #27

When I was a kid we had these guys:

http://britishcomics.wikia.com/wiki/D-Day_Dawson

http://britishcomics.wikia.com/wiki/The_...ke_Nelson)

and to avoid any allegations of bias we also had:

http://britishcomics.wikia.com/wiki/Hellman

I also recall Marvel having Conan, which was anything but PC.

Post: #28

We all know Zel is slipping in to Toys R us, hoarding all the cheap Tico Toy's.

Alt*Hero is out now - top quality book production, and a better comic than Quantum Mortis book.

Diversity & Comic's made almost 340K on his book that's coming out.

Ethan Van Sciver made over 100K in the first week on his written/drawn Indigogo book.

There's a market for comic books, but most of those fans have turned away from the big companies and are now coming back. People support good books by good people that write stories they actually want to read.

Post: #29

(06-09-2018 04:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Ignore so-called market drivers and marketing policy.

When people say "these Disney/Marvel/DC goons are idiots, destroying their brand and losing millions of dollars" well no, they are not.

These so called idiots have somehow managed for the last 100 years to make more money per day every day than most of you will make in a lifetime. You think any of them give a shit about money? They don't. The only thing that matters to them are victories in the war of cultural degradation.

I don't know why people haven't cottoned on to this.

Agreed, I alluded to this here, also keep in mind the physical comic books are now a much smaller part of the overall operation:

/thread-50287...pid1797679

Post: #30

Quote:Those numbers are no way in hell actual comics sales. Marvel admitted already that they had a 20% sales drop since their SJW agenda. Countless stores went bankrupt buying those comics and never being able to sell them off.

One of the problems with comic book stats is that they are mainly compile from other sources. The best source of comic book sales is comichron:
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

One of the interesting items is that there are tricks that the publishers do to get their numbers up; such as having special variant covers that are only available for ordering a certain number of comics, or variants themselves so people who think the variant may be worth something will order that issue also in addition to the regular issue.

Marvel has also been accused of simply printing lots of extra comics that were not ordered and having them shipped out to comic stores. The theory is that since the stats are for what was shipped, it is a short term solution to get the number up. Of course, the comic store that gets all of these comics that they can't sell is not happy, especially since Diamond Distributing charges for shipping and that is adding to shipping costs.

Post: #31

(06-09-2018 05:53 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

(06-09-2018 01:40 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  That's kind of bizarre. Between this and gencon there seems to be a concentrated push trying to move feminism past video games into related offline past times people have.

Why? Comics and tabletop games are pretty niche.

Because politics is downstream from culture.

In this case I think tabletop games, comics, etc. tend to be hobbies of high IQ male teenage nerds, many of whom later go on to become university professors, scientists, programmers in the tech industry and stuff like that.

Sounds a bit far-fetched, and yes it is just a tiny niche, but what they are going for is full spectrum cultural dominance.
Leftist indoctrination by a thousand cuts.

It use to be the 'male teenage nerds' would go on to become the professionals in all kinds of careers, but in recent years I get the impression that these people end up going no where in life. It is like the avenues of advancement have been blocked off and there is not much else for them to do.

I myself am starting to notice a little of this with myself. While I typically make more than the median income for the average family in my state, I don't really think I am really doing that much or going anywhere plus I notice that there seems to be 'not much to do'.

It seems like the people are much more boring than in the past.

Post: #32

Something else occurred to me yesterday while working out. We hear so much from the evil diversity scumbags about how Marvel/DC etc objectify the female body with their unrealistic portrayals of superfit, super-curvy, sexy-as-fuck heroines.

See the Spiderwoman ass controversy for example. Superbly drawn ass by the way.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/08/21/er...-criticism

Now, here's the thing. And this perhaps illustrates an important difference between men and women in our response to the same pressure? For decades, comics have done exactly the same thing to men; depicted incredible specimens of male musculature. I mean, even the smaller superheroes like Spidey possess astonishing levels of hyper-defined ruggedness. But we never heard anything about this being 'bad for boys' or 'unfair' or promoting 'body disorders' or any such bullshit.

Instead, and in my case, as a skinny teenager I felt inspired to lift weights and better myself. I accept that most comic nerds aren't similarly energised to start a life of physical improvement! But the point still stands; why whine and bitch about it when it's women, but ignore the same for men! And why whine anyway? Who wants to see artwork depicting fat, ugly women or skinny, fat men! These are super-people for fuck's sake!

Post: #33

Men want to become Superman to get laid by beautiful women.

Women want to share all resources - including beauty.

Jealousy and envy regarding body types - one sex complains, the other finds a way.

Post: #34

(06-11-2018 03:24 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  we never heard anything about this being 'bad for boys' or 'unfair' or promoting 'body disorders' or any such bullshit.

Feminists don't stand on an equal rights platform. It's ultimately a self-serving platform. They have no interest in the difficulties men face to measure up to social standards (most of which they themselves define).

Of course it's hypocritical and works against their holier-than-thou attitude, but it's how they think.

So what we have at present in the social contract is a stool that's missing a leg and can't stand. Women have managed to secure for themselves more entitlement in exchange for less responsibility while putting increasing constraints and requirements on men.

They have successfully employed the language of equal rights and victimhood as a wedge to secure more and more power. This is why the mere act of questioning the shifting content in things like comic books opens you up to name-calling.

The other thing is a chicken and the egg dilemma.

Comics are, predominately, staffed by young people, right? We're far enough downstream that it may be difficult to find anyone under 30 who isn't in some shape or form an SJW, male or female, as the damage has already been done to Millennials.

So rather than the people behind comics being part of a cabal, it may just reflect the shift that has already taken place, and is therefore a lost cause.

Post: #35

Heh.
Heh indeed.

Post: #36

As a good Jewish superhero, Superman needs set an example at dealing with the shiksa. He's from another world alright.

Post: #37

Superman was a character of total light and virtue. That is what the current movies and even comics don't get trying to make Superman dark and gritty.

They should have made him lighthearted purity in the movies - a totally different character to the current superheroes. And this would likely been much more successful - would have also jived well with Batman's darkness - also been far more jarring if he turned evil one day.

Post: #38

We're living in a most cynical era and comics reflect that cynicism even though they were created with kids in mind.

Comics had a period of relative stasis in the silver-age but maybe from the early 80s onward, when the hobby's demographic shifted towards older teens and young adults, it's become sort of a cultural fruit-fly, in which each succeeding wave of creative staff sees its role of not preserving the past but tearing it down and remaking it in its own image.

I have to imagine at some level, the perpetual nerdrage that this generates is seen as a good thing in the sense that any publicity is good publicity.

To simply present Superman in his traditional outfit and going through the motions the way he did in the 70s when I was a kid doesn't make news. Having Superman go around in jeans and short-sleeves does make news.

That's kind of the problem with comics in general which has been going on for decades. They reach for shock-tactics the same way daytime soap-operas do. This is also why, from the 80s onward, the superheroes started shagging each other with abandon, as it set the stage for all sorts of soap opera "he loves me, he loves me not" drama.

Comics are usually seen as an immature form of quasi-literature because of all of this. It's just that they've been so anointed by society as our modern mythology that they're given a level of import they perhaps never deserved.

Sturgeon's law says 90% of everything is crap and the older I get the more it seems like that's a conservative ratio.

Post: #39

I think it's a masculine trait to see a character and learn from it.

Batman, for example, has been a HUGE person that inspired me to workout, learn as much as I can, try to get as rich as I can, be as charismatic as I can (Bruce Wayne) and just be as superhuman as possible.

Dc and Marvel (especially Marvel) have VERY powerful women that also had interesting backstories. Yet you rarely see women focus on self improvement for more than to just attract more men.

Post: #40

Yeah, as somebody who pretty much spent a good portion of his life reading comics I’m very sad where they’ve gone into.

I mentioned in another thread, but the “Media” has really been trying to capitalize on the “Nerd” market for the last while now. Commercialize it the same way they commercialized sports etc.... *(E sports scene has quieted down substantially because of this reason)

This is the thing, comics as they were maybe ten years ago or whatever are pretty much gone if you read DC, Marvel. Which even though slightly disheartening isn’t exactly the worst.

You have to remember that before movies based on comics and tv show comics were pretty much on the downslope. *[Anybody here remember Heroclix?] And was very uninteresting from 2000-2010.

Other part to remember, Disney owns Marvel and has done some retconning. I’ll just use Star Wars as the example, Jania Janice Ben Solo? Admiral Thrawn? The Yuzauhn Vaun and the Nest after that? Was extremely lit, loved reading those books. Where did I get those books from though? Value Village.

I can still open up my issues of Constantine, Preacher, Dream Of The Endless, Bone, Animal Man etc...... And still get to enjoy some of the newer stuff as that’s a needle in a hay stack, [Watchmen PT2, Gwenpoole etc...] Now though my time and money moves to better things less pozzed, (Yu Gi Oh)

If you are missing the type of feeling that comics use to give you I’d recommend just reading manga. Pretty much an exact replica of American comics. Recommendations of mine would include Hunter X Hunter, Dragon Balls, Jojo and some other stuff.

Post: #41

A lot can change in a culture within 3-4 years, especially with SJWs at the helm.

Here's a post I had in an old thread on comics, that's become less relevant these days:

Quote:Comic books are one of the single best non-physical hobbies for boys to take up.

They aren't as big nowadays, since you also have more videogames, television, internet, etc. competing for attention.

But it's still one of the few areas of escape that isn't getting the full assault of a feminized school system and helicopter parents.

They help boys grow from both an artistic perspective, and an intellectual perspective.

How much does a kid's vocab, spelling, and reading comprehension shoot up when he's looking up the definitions behind certain villain names?

Or what about learning about the science behind what makes super powers possible?

Not to mention the moral values, and the depictions of people at their peak as something to aspire to, especially in a culture which preaches victimization and conformity.

If you work with young guys, or have young male relatives, talk to them about that stuff or buy them some of the starter comics (i.e. Marvel has versions of popular titles that have less adult content).

You might spark a journey of discovery for them.

The full post is here, for those who are curious to see what we were discussing in 2014 on RVF:

/thread-36158...#pid728851

Post: #42

(06-12-2018 04:12 PM)TheOriginalSniggler Wrote:  I can still open up my issues of Constantine, Preacher, Dream Of The Endless, Bone, Animal Man etc...... And still get to enjoy some of the newer stuff as that’s a needle in a hay stack, [Watchmen PT2, Gwenpoole etc...] Now though my time and money moves to better things less pozzed, (Yu Gi Oh)

If you are missing the type of feeling that comics use to give you I’d recommend just reading manga. Pretty much an exact replica of American comics. Recommendations of mine would include Hunter X Hunter, Dragon Balls, Jojo and some other stuff.

Vertigo fan ? They're relaunching it and it looks like absolute shite (Zoe Quinn).

Doomsday Clock is great, heard decent things about Gwenpool. Marvel has only 2 or 3 ongoings out now that I'd recommend to comic readers. DC is much better right now.

Manga, I read that back in the day, One Piece, Hikaru No Go, Dragon Ball/Z. Fist of the North Star a little, Sandland, Yu-Gi-Oh, Naruto, Shaman King, Yuyu Hakusho. Better art than nearly every comic book on the stands today.

Post: #43

Comic books and anime (including manga) are a huge market because they know a huge portion of westerners 30 and below will buy or atleast use their product.

I remember back in 2008 or so there was a movie making fun of adults who watched cartoons especially animes.

Now EVERYBODY i know watches dragon ball super, a plethora of animes and still watch cartoons (which personally i don't see anything wrong with it at all)

But its funny how the tides have changed.

Most people under the age of 35 or who were exposed to social media has the IQ and the Maturity of 6th-9th graders. You can tell by the victimhood, the political stance, and the views on sex. (having sex is fine but it seems like EVERYTHING is about sex now.)

Social media gave the social outcast and weirdos power, and indoctrinated more and more into their thinking.....remember these are the people who would have been bullied just 10 years ago

Post: #44

I think everyone in the West is in some shape or form pursuing a life of escapism because outside of creature comforts, life pretty much sucks in the post-911 era. Politics is one continuous shit-show, for instance. Our entertainment reflects this sorry state of affairs. Why did a f*cking movie about a mute chick banging a captive fish win Best Picture? It was touted as an "adult fairy tale". People are living in a dreamworld beause they feel powerless to make the world a better place (outside of your misguided hashtag movements).

I think the main reason why life seems to suck so much is that nobody really is connected to anyone else anymore. Everyone you come across is either buried in a screen or they're some anonymous asshole insulting you for some petty disagreement online. There's no unity, no sense of community, no warmth for your fellow man. People have a mostly antagonistic and suspicious attitude towards other people. At best, it's tribal. Find you tribe. Erect your moat. Start hurling rocks at your enemy. Lather, rinse, repeat.

So it's sort of an emotional/spiritual emptiness.

That sense of being an isolated island is something nerds understand. Now everyone is sort of in the same boat which is why they might start to gravitate towards nerdy interests as well as a common crutch.

Post: #45

I actually do remember herclix. It looked boring as shit so I never tried it.

I think part of the reason anime is spreading isn't just that it's an escapist crutch.... Odd for me to say as much as I hate the genre. It's a hatred that comes from ending up with the president of the anime club as a roommate.

But I'm not going to let my own views cloud my judgment enough to say that a lot of what they produce is just objectively better than the trash that comes out of Hollywood, Marvel, and other ideologue (sometimes ( deliberately subversive))) owned sources.

It gets even worse with age equivalent stuff. Current cartoons are beyond retarded. I challenge anyone to find a kids show today with the same breadth and willingness to tackle emotionally challenging topics that shows like Macross and Naruto have.

Post: #46

The current state of modern comics is exemplified in the current elder abuse case of Stan Lee:









https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v...rt-1119308


Here going into the police report:

Morgan seems to have taken advantage of a senile man:




Here you see him telling Stan Lee what name to sign.

If you cannot sign your own name, because you can hardly remember it, then you are not fit to fucking go to events. Lee should have been surrounded by his family and loved ones and not by one con-artist who seems to have traded Marvel memorabilia for a long time.

Post: #47

Ethan Van Sciver tells about his struggles working for DC while being a public Trump voter.

He tells the story of a woman who is an aspiring writer doing vampire fiction for girls. She was clearly told by the publisher, that she has to introduce feminist talking-points or not be published at all. They liked her book, but want her to go down the social justice path or no deal.

That is why companies founded by Vox Day and independent campaigns are so important.

The wrongthink agenda is here and it's full-on 1984. The only thing missing as of now are gulags.

Post: #48

(06-13-2018 09:12 AM)Jones Wrote:  [quote='TheOriginalSniggler' pid='1800438' dateline='1528837938']
Vertigo fan ? They're relaunching it and it looks like absolute shite (Zoe Quinn).

What? How low is falling DC. I can expect that it will have the same selling that the Marvel SJW titles.

Post: #49

Hilarious concept of SJW Marvel comic creator - his proposal is to "remake toxic fandom".

Yup - changing the customer is indeed the way to go. If you produce a burger and fries menu that no one likes - then your customers are the problem. The customers are not buying your burgers, so something must be wrong with them.

The same thought pattern is replicated in movies - you don't like Ghostbusters or SJW Star Wars, then you are a toxic fan! There is nothing wrong with The Last Jedi, you are just a toxic custommer. Those bastards are batshit insane.

Post: #50

(06-15-2018 03:43 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  That is why companies founded by Vox Day and independent campaigns are so important.

Can't really take VD seriously with the product he's putting out.




Amateurs aside, professionals who've put in decades learning an industry and have proven skills and talent seem like they are actually poised to rejuvenate comics. It's too bad it looks like mainstream videogames & cinema are lost. I keep wondering whether the lessons from Comics would be suited for those other media forms, or whether the influence of big-business / corporate feminism made it impossible to resist in those industries in the way comics has.