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I loved his travel withdrawal video! Shit is SOOO TRUE

Very entertaining dude.

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Here's from DC... no wonder he's so jaded.

It's a shame he doesn't see the use of game. It's possible to use it but still be congruent with your character.

His "Game sucks, be yourself" argument is as old as game itself.

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I checked out their site: http://www.passportplayers.com/#!__my-portfolio

It seems like a closed version of what we have here. I wonder how many of them visit this forum as well.

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This dude is mad LAZY.

So much soo that he is contempt with not getting laid for 1-3 months at a time.

Not hating on the p4p scene as I use it in some capacity on almost every trip I take (shoring, meeting/talking to females,ect)

But this dude can get some decent ass without paying for it im sure if he just put in some damn effort.

Roosh I checked out the site and it is STRICTLY guys doing p4p.

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Haha. You can tell he's been going out in DC a lot. LOL

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I have done the P4P thing internationally (never in the USA) at times but TO ME.....I don't care WHO you are...you will always work on your game/approach/whatever in hopes of getting that chick without P4P.

I call it a "pure book". (meaning booking a chick)

Pure Books...especially if the chick is 8.5+ is still one of the best feelings.

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Folks proselytizing game should form a charitable foundation where they take a frustrated guy and relocate him somewhere he can have hope.

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(09-23-2011 09:04 AM)rakishness Wrote:  



Haha. You can tell he's been going out in DC a lot. LOL

He's not exactly lying.

Assanova has been making some of the same points for the past year, I think he started the "Night Game is Dead" movement.

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hahahaha! I get what he's saying, though. Shit, I've declined many a night out as of late and told my friends, "that money's better off going towards my next trip."

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(09-23-2011 09:04 AM)rakishness Wrote:  



Haha. You can tell he's been going out in DC a lot. LOL

I think he's being a little extreme. There are guys who hook up at American clubs all the time if they have good club and dance game. I'll be the first to admit that American clubs aren't an optimal place to meet women by any means. First of all, the experience of just getting in is more painful than going to the airport. If I'm going out to your typical Hollywood club, it's going to cost $10-20 to park or valet, then you got to stand in a long ass line. Even if the club is empty inside, they want a long wait outside to make the club look poppin. Then pay $20 in cover if you make it past the doorman. Then you get inside. Drinks are $10 plus tip. If you have 2 or 3 drinks you might already have a $60 night before you've even met a chic. And if you do meet one and there's a good vibe, you may have to buy her a drink or two if you want any chance of hooking up. Now you're up to $80. Then I'm probably going to end up dancing to music I don't even like most the time. Standing in line 10 minutes for a drink everytime I want one. I can't see doing that shit 2 nights in a row every weekend. Sure, guys go to clubs because that's where the hottest women congregate. But the bitch shields are high. Many of them don't give you the time of day unless you have status. So what do some guys do to get status? They pay for a fucking bottle and get a table with a velvet rope in front of it. Now we're looking at $300 minimum. Is all this shit really worth it for the club experience? To me no. But I guess if you can throw paper around like it ain't nothing and you're routinely pulling 9s in the club it may be worth it to you.

I only go to spots with low or no cover where they play a more interesting variety of music that attracts a cooler type of girl. Something like a salsa or samba club, or soulful house music, or reggae, or a spot that plays 90s hiphop rather than your Hollywood club playing hits like Waka Flaka or whatever shit is popular at the moment. I look for a cool crowd that's into cool music first and foremost. And people who are there to dance more than "see and be seen".

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Speak: As much as I love hip-hop, chicks know they can dance it with their girls or by themselves and it's all good.

For that reason, when I do go out, I only hit up Latin clubs/Latin-themed nights at clubs because almost all Spanish music requires a partner. It's rare you'll see two chicks dancing salsa and bachata together -- unless no dude bothered to ask them -- and you damn sure would like stupid dancing to them by yourself.

Low/no cover joints usually attract ghetto crowds.

The hottest chicks are usually in the VIP area -- if the club has one -- and they are often the "nicest" chicks in the club. It's always the low-hanging fruit -- often with big asses and/or big titties -- that get hit on the most, thus with such inflated egos, they're likely to be the coldest to pursuers.

Personally, I think night game has blended with social circle game and has lost much of its "get it in" flavor. A lot of what Mixx described his Colombia thread has definitely made its way here to Miami.

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(09-23-2011 08:57 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  This dude is mad LAZY.

So much soo that he is contempt with not getting laid for 1-3 months at a time.

People can hold different priorities/mindsets to your own without having a severe personal flaw(ex: laziness).

Deal with it.

Quote:But this dude can get some decent ass without paying for it im sure if he just put in some damn effort.

Return on Investment counts for some people, and that is ok.

Quote:Roosh I checked out the site and it is STRICTLY guys doing p4p.

They shore and hit up non-pros as well.

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(09-23-2011 08:47 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Here's from DC... no wonder he's so jaded.

It's a shame he doesn't see the use of game. It's possible to use it but still be congruent with your character.

His "Game sucks, be yourself" argument is as old as game itself.

I agree. You can run game and remain congruent with your character, but I find that this isn't as common as I'd prefer to see in the community. The few guys who are able to pull this off are:

a) Naturals. MiXX probably fits into this category.
b) A few very advanced "Morpheus" types (I use that name to acknowledge their ability to frequently deliver the "red pill"). Here I'm referring to guys like yourself (along with a few others online, like Solomon, The G, etc) who have such a strong theoretical grasp of game and/or gender dynamics as a whole that they've almost reached another level of competency, and are thus respected/looked up to by many others. They're able to consider things in a comprehensive way that most cannot. The game moves more slowly for them, making it easier for them to rationally step back, consider some things and stay true to themselves as they do so.

95% of guys who get into game, especially early on, do not fit either of these categories. They are just faking it until they make it, not unlike Ten says. They just put on whatever persona they think will grab them more women. I was that way myself as a college freshman, trying to be someone else entirely (framing this as "game") in order to get to chicks.

Until you find a way to ascend from this basic level, success will be rare. Very rare.
I'm not sure if the majority of guys are capable of this. At least, it doesn't look like it.

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(09-23-2011 09:46 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  People can hold different priorities/mindsets to your own without having a severe personal flaw(ex: laziness).

Deal with it.

Who said laziness is a personal flaw? People can hold different priorities / personal traits than your own without it being a "severe personal flaw".

Deal with it.

Quote:They shore and hit up non-pros as well.

So which trip(s) have you been on with these dudes? Rio, San Jose, Thailand, Colombia, Mexico, ect?

These dudes are sex tourists/mongers plain and simple. And im sure they will admit such, which was the point of my comment.

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(09-23-2011 11:32 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 09:46 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  People can hold different priorities/mindsets to your own without having a severe personal flaw(ex: laziness).

Deal with it.

Who said laziness is a personal flaw? People can hold different priorities / personal traits than your own without it being a "severe personal flaw".

Deal with it.

Quote:They shore and hit up non-pros as well.

So you go with these dudes when they go to Rio, San Jose, Thailand, Colombia, Mexico, ect?

These dudes are sex tourists/mongers plan and simple. And im sure they will admit such, which was the point of my comment.

I agree with Dash, those guys who pay for pros or use money are plain and simple sex mongers who ruin it for the rest of us. I can promise that if they use pros they are going to throw money around to get the non-pros. These kind of guys are why guys like Mixx are giving us bad news about places like Medellin.

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Toronto,

The problem with sex tourist isnt soo much them spending alot of money and altering the mind sets of the normal females. Most sex tourists are budget minded and generally only fuck with pros and semi pros.

The problem with sex tourists is imo is that when they start to descending on a place in numbers most of the normal population / females will start to associate and label every western guy as a monger / sex tourist, which will result in stereotyping and will make it harder to break that initial perception.

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(09-24-2011 12:05 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  Toronto,

The problem with sex tourist isnt soo much them spending alot of money and altering the mind sets of the normal females. Most sex tourists are budget minded and generally only fuck with pros and semi pros.

The problem with sex tourists is imo is that when they start to descending on a place in numbers most of the normal population / females will start to associate and label every western guy as a monger / sex tourist, which will result in stereotyping and will make it harder to break that initial perception.

Good point, either way I don't appreciate sex tourists.

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(09-24-2011 12:16 AM)torontokid Wrote:  Good point, either way I don't appreciate sex tourists.

Dude, everyone who travels to foreign countries for sex (which is almost everyonee on this board) is a sex tourist. Doesn't matter how you get it.

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(09-24-2011 01:25 AM)blurb Wrote:  

(09-24-2011 12:16 AM)torontokid Wrote:  Good point, either way I don't appreciate sex tourists.

Dude, everyone who travels to foreign countries for sex (which is almost everyonee on this board) is a sex tourist. Doesn't matter how you get it.

Do you know the definition or meaning of sex tourism / tourist?

It is specifically linked to traveling abroad to pay for sex with prostitutes.

Most guys on this board dont go to other countries to pay for sex with prostitutes.

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(09-24-2011 01:37 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

(09-24-2011 01:25 AM)blurb Wrote:  

(09-24-2011 12:16 AM)torontokid Wrote:  Good point, either way I don't appreciate sex tourists.

Dude, everyone who travels to foreign countries for sex (which is almost everyonee on this board) is a sex tourist. Doesn't matter how you get it.

Do you know the definition or meaning of sex tourism / tourist?

It is specifically linked to traveling abroad to pay for sex with prostitutes.

Most guys on this board dont go to other countries to pay for sex with prostitutes.

Whatever. I don't feel like getting into an argument over the definition of what is and isn't a sex tourist. I honestly don't know why guys are all up in arms over this.

Guys with money are getting sex and making it harder for the rest of the penniless guys to get sex? Deal with it. Perhaps chasing money is a better alternative than chasing women.

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Blurb,

There is nothing to argue. Sex Tourism is what is it.

I dont have a problem with the p4p scene as I use it in some capacity on almost all my trips.

The reason why I called you out was because some people on this board and dudes that travel in general might take offense to being called a sex tourist or lumped into that stigma. Its important to understand the difference and distinguish the two.....

InternationalSexGuide.com is alot different than RooshVFourm.com

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(09-23-2011 11:32 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  Who said laziness is a personal flaw?

I'm not even going to bother.

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(09-24-2011 01:59 AM)blurb Wrote:  Perhaps chasing money is a better alternative than chasing women.

Time IS money. If you don't spend one, you sure as hell are going to spend the other. Money you can always make more of, but your time on this planet is limited and you don't know when it will run out. So I value my time over money. How you spend your time and money is a personal decision.

Has anyone on here defined "game" in the abstract? I think a person can have game and still be themselves. I also think a person can develop themselves by studying others, but I agree that it is phony to try to be someone else to get a chick.

As far as p4p threatening "normal" guys, I don't entirely see this and I will tell you why. It has been my experience that women like to make choices too. I've been in several environments where women have chosen me and it wasn't a business transaction. Also, there are usually parts of any country where your typical sex mongers don't go because the infrastructure is not established for sex tourism.

I've only been to MDE once, but this could be different in Colombia since I find the women there more passive when it comes to approaching guys. I knew the MDE scene could be influenced by sex mongers though when I saw who was going down there and read about setups like the Medellin Mansion. When I go back to Colombia, I hope its to another part like Cali.