Post: #51

(10-01-2011 12:58 PM)basilransom Wrote:  A girl who's in an athlete house probably has a strong social life, and has an aversion to dates, especially with "randos." Girls with very active social lives can be very cliquey, and not open to meeting up with men they don't know or meet through approved channels. After all, they don't need to.

This.

There was a NY Times article recently about the emergence of new terms like "creeper, rando, sketchball" in recent years, abetted by the explosion of social media. No doubt it's mainly college girls creating and perpetuating these terms. It complicates things for the day gamer .

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/magazi...age-t.html

Quote:When Liana Roux, a junior at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, was reading a Facebook event page for her friend’s birthday party recently, she noticed a terse proviso at the end of the announcement: “No randos.” The friend wanted only people she knew to come to her party and thus sought to bar any random strangers, or randos, in collegiate parlance.

...

Rando is one of a surprisingly large number of words that U.N.C. students use to refer to unfamiliar, suspicious or anxiety-producing outsiders. Skimming the lists that Eble has collected from recent classes, I kept spotting a familiar pattern: along with rando, there are nouns like creeper, sketcher and sketchball and adjectives like dubious, grimy, sketchy, sketch and skeazy. Sketchy and sketch have, in fact, been among the most frequently attested words culled from Eble’s students for the past several semesters.

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Even if these terms describing creepy outsiders aren’t necessarily novel, the question remains: Why do they occur in such profusion on the U.N.C. slang lists? Eble points out that the words are typically used by women, who currently make up nearly 60 percent of U.N.C.’s student population. Compared with past generations, Eble said, “female students are putting themselves into more dangerous situations than they did in my day,” especially when it comes to dating and partying. Terms like creeper, rando and sketchball come in handy as women deal with men who may try to give them unwanted attention.

In interviews I conducted with Eble’s students, one recurring theme that emerged was the impact of technology and social media on the need to patrol social boundaries. “With Facebook and texting,” Natasha Duarte said, “it’s easier to contact someone you’re interested in, even if you only met them once and don’t really know them. To the person receiving them, these texts and Facebook friend requests or wall posts can seem premature and unwarranted, or sketchy.”

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Lilly Kantarakias said she believes that the shift to technologically mediated exchanges among students is leading to a “loss of intimacy” and that this failure to engage in human contact is responsible for the rise in all of the “sketchy” talk. “People have lost both their sense of communication and social-interaction skills,” Kantarakias said. “We know only how to judge people off of a Facebook page or we easily misinterpret texts or e-mails. You can see it in the way people walk around campus, texting on their cells, being completely oblivious to the hundreds of people surrounding them. We’ve become lazy with our speech and our social profiling of fellow human beings.”

Roux observed that “as college students, we navigate through an enormous social landscape every day.” The slang words for suspicious outsiders “create a distance between ‘us’ and ‘them,’ between our clique and the creepers.” These “terms of exclusion,” as Roux sees them, don’t just separate an in-group of students from potentially dangerous people but also from “people we just dislike or people who are perceived as different or weird.” And that type of behavior, even if it is complicated these days by new technology, new social pressures and new slang expressions, is surely as old as the hills.

Day gamers on college campuses especially must be especially weary of not being tagged with these labels!

Post: #52

Mace, that's because college girls are still in the immature, peer-conscious mindset where they need approval of their fellow girls or they will die of embarrassment. (Well, moreso than most older women: e.g., college girls would probably rather starve than eat in the cafeteria by themselves). After gaming 23 yo+ women, and returning to the 21-22 yo college girls at my old college bars, I find they are almost a different animal. In the college setting, a girl will be surrounded by people she knows, have many many other options, and is not used to the unfamiliar outside of her clique. College girls seem to almost have a special brand of ADHD.

Just keep a strong frame and plow. I think the "rando" phenomenon comes from the gameless college guys who creep from afar and/or the townies who make the pathetic hail mary passes at closing time in the college bar. That type of stuff, mixed with the immaturity of college girls.

Post: #53

(10-01-2011 02:36 PM)Mace Wrote:  Day gamers on college campuses especially must be especially weary of not being tagged with these labels!

Calling other people sketchy or creepers actually builds rapport/attraction slightly with these chicks, if they already dig you. You calling out other creepy guys, or girls for that matter, implies you aren't one. When you profess to being 'creeped out,' they identify with you and the feeling it creates, even if it's a load of shit.

Quote:“female students are putting themselves into more dangerous situations than they did in my day,” especially when it comes to dating and partying.

Yes, this and the hook up culture is the reason. Promiscuity makes girls callous and guarded. A woman being nice to everyone will be misinterpreted as sexual interest, in a boozy environment like a frat party. Bitchiness can be a necessity to stave off low value men. I always noticed that these terms are much more popular among girls who go out. The morning after their drunken reverie, they relish talking about "that creeper" at Delta Iota Kappa.

I suspect that colleges with less of a hook up culture will be easier to game in. Hookup cultures enlarge the egos of the women and make the men seem disposable. Even at a place like UNC, where women significantly outnumber men.

The diva-creeper dynamic is muted when there's some sort of screening, as at a house party or invite only event. The advantage of daygame is that while these chicks will likely continue to reject you then, you'll get to meet the more studious/lonely/inactive ones. Being in a top tier sorority can make gaming a 7 as hard as gaming a 9, when you aren't in her circles.

Intellectually, the college scene is very interesting, because it's like a lab experiment. It strips away all the complexity and variety you'd find in a city, all the things that would obstruct your understanding of how people really behave.

Quote:Mace, that's because college girls are still in the immature, peer-conscious mindset where they need approval of their fellow girls or they will die of embarrassment. (Well, moreso than most older women: e.g., college girls would probably rather starve than eat in the cafeteria by themselves). After gaming 23 yo+ women, and returning to the 21-22 yo college girls at my old college bars, I find they are almost a different animal. In the college setting, a girl will be surrounded by people she knows, have many many other options, and is not used to the unfamiliar outside of her clique. College girls seem to almost have a special brand of ADHD.

You could make the same logical mistake with gay guys. If you never knew any gay guys personally, you might think they're all extremely flaming, because the only time you notice a guy is gay is when he's obviously homosexual. The reality is that plenty of gay guys aren't that flaming. Same with college girls. The girls you're noticing as being in college travel in packs, and are extremely visible at night. Yes, they're ADD retards, but they're also not representative of the full variety of girls. Forget the bar and walk around a campus, and you'll see.

Quote: I think the "rando" phenomenon comes from the gameless college guys who creep from afar and/or the townies who make the pathetic hail mary passes at closing time in the college bar. That type of stuff, mixed with the immaturity of college girls.

No, this isn't about game, this is about target selection. You could hook up with these girls, and they'd never see you again because they don't "know you." Because they'd suffer a loss in reputation for banging a dude with no status. Because they already know plenty of vetted cool dudes willing to bang them. There's no cost to being cliquey. I'm in a town where girls continue to act like this well after college. It's only once they really start aging and feeling lonely that they get less stuck up.

When you're on the outside looking in, it's very easy to get an inaccurate view.

Post: #54

(10-01-2011 01:59 PM)Mace Wrote:  "got a sec?" is tactically brilliant. If she's texting you back promptly why would she say no?

Texting isn't shit for a girl. She can have many conversations at once while texting, and/or she may be in a situation where she can text but not talk -- a lot of girls do this especially when they are with other dudes.

Saying it's brilliant, is like saying, "so can I get your number?" is brilliant.

Post: #55

location is CRUCIAL

living in big city or even better near the nightclub scene makes it almost impossible to meet average women unless it's conscious decision. the next step is to have connections giving access to the best venues 7 days a week where lots of hot women hang out

PS. oops sorry. wrong post wrong thread. can't delete it (?)

Post: #56

Got a girls number 6 days ago from a street approach after a 15-20 minute conversation.
Invited her to come up to my radio show and hang out next friday.
Her:i cant make it due to work.
me:does my country treat all phillipino girls like slaves or just the cute ones?
her: lol : ) just the cute ones.
me: what days do you have free?
her: tuesday and wednesday are my days off.
me: how about a casual drink on wednesday evening and we can compare slave stories?
her: : ) i would love to but im quite busy.
me: a slaves work is never done.

no reply after that......
Normally i think this i where i probably blow it,should i wait till after the weekend and try again for another date or am i wasting my time?she's very cute and seemed to responded really well to me when we met.she smiled at me the whole time we were talking and i touched her half a dozen times and even got a hug from her when we parted after the initial approach.

Post: #57

She gave you the days she was free, but then said she was busy? That's weird. I'd give it a restart text 4-5 days later, and if no bites then, next.

(Was your initial text 6 days after the street approach? That's like forever for day game.)

Post: #58

(10-10-2011 12:52 PM)bez Wrote:  Got a girls number 6 days ago from a street approach after a 15-20 minute conversation.
Invited her to come up to my radio show and hang out next friday.
Her:i cant make it due to work.
me:does my country treat all phillipino girls like slaves or just the cute ones?
her: lol : ) just the cute ones.
me: what days do you have free?
her: tuesday and wednesday are my days off.
me: how about a casual drink on wednesday evening and we can compare slave stories?
her: : ) i would love to but im quite busy.
me: a slaves work is never done.

no reply after that......
Normally i think this i where i probably blow it,should i wait till after the weekend and try again for another date or am i wasting my time?she's very cute and seemed to responded really well to me when we met.she smiled at me the whole time we were talking and i touched her half a dozen times and even got a hug from her when we parted after the initial approach.

If she gives tells you she's busy and doesn't give an alternate day, move on... she's not interested. I agree, you waited way too long... I'm sure she forgot about you already. The slave story bit was too try-hard.

Post: #59

(10-10-2011 01:07 PM)PDX Wrote:  She gave you the days she was free, but then said she was busy? That's weird. I'd give it a restart text 4-5 days later, and if no bites then, next.

(Was your initial text 6 days after the street approach? That's like forever for day game.)

No i had texted her the evening after we first met to tell her i what time to tune into my radio show(she said she wanted to listen in)
And we texted back and forth a couple of times throughout the show but then i didnt text her again until yesterday to suggest a date.
Ill wait until the weekend then push for another wednesday drink.If she says busy or whatever ill leave it at that.

Post: #60

[/quote]If she gives tells you she's busy and doesn't give an alternate day, move on... she's not interested. I agree, you waited way too long... I'm sure she forgot about you already. The slave story bit was too try-hard.
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I agree with the slave thing,as soon as i sent it i thought it could backfire on me.my bad.

Post: #61

(10-10-2011 01:25 PM)bez Wrote:  If she gives tells you she's busy and doesn't give an alternate day, move on... she's not interested. I agree, you waited way too long... I'm sure she forgot about you already. The slave story bit was too try-hard.

Quote:I agree with the slave thing,as soon as i sent it i thought it could backfire on me.my bad.

Live and learn. If I am kidding around with a girl like I keep in the back of my mind that at least 50% of the time it can backfire, so I never continue the joke past one, MAYBE two texts. That's the whole point of FAG (fuck up avoidance game). Guys tend to say too much... keep the texts short and to the point.

Nail the date, then nail her.

Post: #62

(10-10-2011 01:30 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 01:25 PM)bez Wrote:  If she gives tells you she's busy and doesn't give an alternate day, move on... she's not interested. I agree, you waited way too long... I'm sure she forgot about you already. The slave story bit was too try-hard.

Quote:I agree with the slave thing,as soon as i sent it i thought it could backfire on me.my bad.

Live and learn. If I am kidding around with a girl like I keep in the back of my mind that at least 50% of the time it can backfire, so I never continue the joke past one, MAYBE two texts. That's the whole point of FAG (fuck up avoidance game). Guys tend to say too much... keep the texts short and to the point.

Nail the date, then nail her.

Good advice gmac.Thanks
So i should try one last time for a date and push like a badman for the bang if she turns up???

Post: #63

I decided as a last ditch effort make or break to text cute asian today and throw her the ball to see if she would play and it went like this:

Me:Are you gonna suggest a day that you are free to have a drink with me or just leave me hanging out to dry: )no pressure,if you dont wanna have a drink with me its cool.
Her: (4 hours later)sorry for the late reply : ( can we set it for next week? : )
Me:sure,you pick a day that your free.

If she flakes again ill consider it a cold case and move on.

Post: #64

Update:

her: (2 hours later)ok how about friday 8pm
me:thats when i do my radio show but my co-host can hold it down
her:hahaha im kidding lol
me:huh?
her:im just kidding on friday lol
me:ha ha your funny
her:i know
me:ha ha,let me know when your free and ill see if i am too

30 minutes later
her: ok

So she's still left me hanging which i feel is kinda rude,and i really do not want to play text games with her but i want to make this happen.
I want this bang because the approach was so easy and totally random.
All i know about her is she is philipino,very cute,works in a call center and lives pretty much on the other side of town.(1 hour drive)

Post: #65

One of the rules I have in game is to always setup a date on phone call. Maybe I am too old school but I just hate texting back and forth.

Now going for the number, there usually should be a reason to connect over the phone, which most of the time is that you like her and would either like to meet her soon or talk to know more about her. Putting this statement up, and if they agree, they usually ask themselves to exchange numbers.

When I started day game, I also had this idea that getting a number gets you laid. Now I believe number means shit, and it doesn't count for anything unless you have agreed to a meetup plan or as a way to keep connected you are exchanging number.

Also, insta date should be the priority. Of course it doesn't apply in all cases.

Post: #66

(10-10-2011 12:52 PM)bez Wrote:  Got a girls number 6 days ago from a street approach after a 15-20 minute conversation.
Invited her to come up to my radio show and hang out next friday.
Her:i cant make it due to work.
me:does my country treat all phillipino girls like slaves or just the cute ones?
her: lol : ) just the cute ones.
me: what days do you have free?
her: tuesday and wednesday are my days off.
me: how about a casual drink on wednesday evening and we can compare slave stories?
her: : ) i would love to but im quite busy.
me: a slaves work is never done.

No offense, but this was painful to read.

And judging from your other comments, you're crushing way too hard.

Who gives a fuck about the fact she's a Filipina, obviously not a wealthy one because she works at a fuckin call center, which means she's undereducated or her degree is worthless, and oh ya, she's a dime a dozen, "cute".

Move on.

Post: #67

(10-12-2011 09:26 PM)jariel Wrote:  No offense, but this was painful to read.

And judging from your other comments, you're crushing way too hard.

Who gives a fuck about the fact she's a Filipina, obviously not a wealthy one because she works at a fuckin call center, which means she's undereducated or her degree is worthless, and oh ya, she's a dime a dozen, "cute".

Move on.

I agree with you 100% man,but this is the first girls number ive acquired in the last 4 and half years due to a previous LTR and my text game was never strong anyway,but basically i dont care how lame it is at this stage im just pushing to get her out on a date which is where my game is much stronger.
I also dont care if she's uneducated,poor or what nationality she is and the fact the she is a dime a dozen cute girl is fine with me.I like cute girls.
Im trying to make progress in all areas of my game and if i fail miserably then so be it,but i will learn from those mistakes and be able to apply a better technique next time.
Its all about what works and what does'nt right,and i have to find out for myself what works for me as an individual so ill try whatever for now.
Im not gonna die if i dont sleep with her and if she does'nt get back to me with an evening she's available then its her loss.
Ill call her "if" she gets back to me but until then its radio silence.

Post: #68

(10-12-2011 01:07 AM)bez Wrote:  I decided as a last ditch effort make or break to text cute asian today and throw her the ball to see if she would play and it went like this:

Me:Are you gonna suggest a day that you are free to have a drink with me or just leave me hanging out to dry: )no pressure,if you dont wanna have a drink with me its cool.

Needy and way too wordy. Don't ask her questions, especially direct ones that call her out for flaking on you and then trying to set it up again. It's counterproductive.

Quote:Her: (4 hours later)sorry for the late reply : ( can we set it for next week? : )
Me:sure,you pick a day that your free.

If she flakes again ill consider it a cold case and move on.

This is typical flake behavior... she will continue postponing until you give up, or accept a date then flake again. Move on.

(10-12-2011 03:58 AM)bez Wrote:  Update:

her: (2 hours later)ok how about friday 8pm
me:thats when i do my radio show but my co-host can hold it down

You're playing her game. Dude, you have a cool job and you are squandering it. Here's how I would have played it:

"I'll hold you to that. Drop by the studio at [xx address] at 8, don't forget the coronas."

Quote:her:hahaha im kidding lol
me:huh?
her:im just kidding on friday lol
me:ha ha your funny
her:i know
me:ha ha,let me know when your free and ill see if i am too

Translation: "Okay, you blew your only shot buddy. Why are you still talking to me?"

Quote:30 minutes later
her: ok

More flake behavior. When a bitch says, "I'll let you know", fuck her. Say "nevermind." If she doesn't nail a day and time then and there move on, she's only going to keep this behavior up. Second: Never ask a woman to "let you know."

I agree with Jariel, you're way too hung up on this one chick.

Post: #69

Well when you put it like that its perfectly clear..And very humbling.thanks,i needed that.
Ill delete her number right now.

Post: #70

So my this my day game wing (pg 2) running text game on another chick. Polish immigrant, 7.5, moved here as a kid but still has a Polish accent for some reason.

This is the audio of his close. He told me later he deliberately slowed down his speech given her accent. Ya, he's running the same script I've been using here /thread-6950.html :



Text exchange:

Quote:FRIDAY 9:30PM
Me: so I told Chris what you'd said, he's in tears but he agrees. I should hire you as my therapist how was the rest of your day
Her: Lol tht depends ... How much r u willing to pay me? As for the rest of my day, well it didnt go exactly as planned ... I was trying to get on a bus to get home but thr wasnt exactly possible XD How was ur day?

SUNDAY 9:30 AM
Me: lol you missed the bus. My weekend's been great, and I had THE best dessert.
Her: I didnt miss the bus, I just couldnt tolerate standing in line forever & thn sit in a cramp bus. I took the sat morn bus instead. What did u have for dessert?

TUESDAY 7:00PM
Her: Hey havent heard frm u in a bit ... How was ur thanksgiving wkd?
Me: I had a great Thanksgiving weekend spending it with family and friends. How about you?
Her: Me too. Went up to the cottage, enjoyed the warm weather & the vibrant fall colors. Spent as much time as I could outdoors.
Me: I like texting, but chatting face to face is so much better. Let's meet up this week. Is tomorrow good for you or is Wed better.
Her: Lol ... Tmr is Wed
Me: I'm glad you're paying attention. Gold star. Alright meet me tomorrow at Williams at the University Plaza at 7pm
Her: Kk. Cya thr tmr at 7.

Not sure if he did anything special here with his text game, the girl was likely just into him from the outset. He made a strong enough first impression for her want to see him again.

And a huge difference from his text game here. This was a typical Canadian girl, 8. /thread-6700-p...l#pid94877

Quote:Friday ~ 4 pm
ME: "Hey I found the used bookstore ok yesterday. I could hire you as my personal tour guide. The pay is bad but there's excellent benefits. How's your day going?"
Her:"Pretty good, I'm at the rookie party for my field hockey team and its a bit crazy. I'm glad you found the bookstore aha"
Me: "I have an intuition about you ...as the rookies and frosh at the party are going crazy, you're the calm one . How long have you been in field hockey for?"
Her: "I've played for the varsity team at ABC School for 4 years now. The rookie initiation is always a good time aha."
Me: "4 years, wow. You're like the house mother to these kids haha. Kidding. 4 years is great. Good for you. My personal favourite sports are tennis and skiing."
Her: I can respect that. I wish I was better at tennis but skiing is for sure awesome
Me: "I'll tell you all about my trip one day. We should meet for coffee sometime. Do you know XYZ Cafe on ABC Street."

Saturday morning
Me: "OMG I just saw your twin."

Sunday morning
Me: "Had a great day at the zoo. Saw a fish that reminded me of you."

What a contrast!

Also wonder if her being Polish had anything to do with it. No games, no flakiness, no attitude, no BS - just simple, honest, direct and to the point. Now I see why the players here love Eastern European women... if only the regular local girls were this easy to deal with it!

My perception is North American girls will always assume the worst of guys, there is little margin for error, and any sign of beta awkwardness will send them running. Eastern European girls will generally give guys the benefit of the doubt.

Why else is game and PUA so popular out here?

I think Roosh alluded to American guys possibly having the best cold approach game in the world; when you've honed your game with amongst sharks, the rest of the world seem like kittens.

Post: #71

So my this my day game wing (pg 2) running text game on another chick. Polish immigrant, 7.5, moved here as a kid but still has a Polish accent for some reason.

This is the audio of his close. He told me later he deliberately slowed down his speech given her accent. Ya, he's running the same script I've been using here /thread-6950.html :



Text exchange:

Quote:FRIDAY 9:30PM
Me: so I told Chris what you'd said, he's in tears but he agrees. I should hire you as my therapist how was the rest of your day
Her: Lol tht depends ... How much r u willing to pay me? As for the rest of my day, well it didnt go exactly as planned ... I was trying to get on a bus to get home but thr wasnt exactly possible XD How was ur day?

SUNDAY 9:30 AM
Me: lol you missed the bus. My weekend's been great, and I had THE best dessert.
Her: I didnt miss the bus, I just couldnt tolerate standing in line forever & thn sit in a cramp bus. I took the sat morn bus instead. What did u have for dessert?

TUESDAY 7:00PM
Her: Hey havent heard frm u in a bit ... How was ur thanksgiving wkd?
Me: I had a great Thanksgiving weekend spending it with family and friends. How about you?
Her: Me too. Went up to the cottage, enjoyed the warm weather & the vibrant fall colors. Spent as much time as I could outdoors.
Me: I like texting, but chatting face to face is so much better. Let's meet up this week. Is tomorrow good for you or is Wed better.
Her: Lol ... Tmr is Wed
Me: I'm glad you're paying attention. Gold star. Alright meet me tomorrow at ABC at the XYZ Plaza at 7pm
Her: Kk. Cya thr tmr at 7.

Not sure if he did anything special here with his text game, the girl was likely just into him from the outset. He made a strong enough first impression for her want to see him again.

And a huge difference from his text game here. This was a typical Canadian girl, 8. /thread-6700-p...l#pid94877

Quote:Friday 4 pm
ME: Hey I found the used bookstore ok yesterday. I could hire you as my personal tour guide. The pay is bad but there's excellent benefits. How's your day going?
Her: Pretty good, I'm at the rookie party for my field hockey team and its a bit crazy. I'm glad you found the bookstore aha
Me: I have an intuition about you ...as the rookies and frosh at the party are going crazy, you're the calm one . How long have you been in field hockey for?
Her: I've played for the varsity team at ABC School for 4 years now. The rookie initiation is always a good time aha.
Me: 4 years, wow. You're like the house mother to these kids haha. Kidding. 4 years is great. Good for you. My personal favourite sports are tennis and skiing.
Her: I can respect that. I wish I was better at tennis but skiing is for sure awesome
Me: I'll tell you all about my trip one day. We should meet for coffee sometime. Do you know XYZ Cafe on ABC Street.

Saturday morning
Me: OMG I just saw your twin.

Sunday morning
Me: Had a great day at the zoo. Saw a fish that reminded me of you.

What a contrast!

Also wonder if her being Polish had anything to do with it. No games, no flakiness, no attitude, no BS - just simple, honest, direct and to the point. Now I see why the players here love Eastern European women... if only the regular local girls were this easy to deal with it!

My perception is North American girls will always assume the worst of guys, there is little margin for error, and any sign of beta awkwardness will send them running. Eastern European girls will generally give guys the benefit of the doubt, although they're less likely to detect awkwardness due to cultural differences.

Why else is game and PUA so popular out here?

Roosh alluded to American guys having the best cold approach game in the world; when you've honed your game amongst sharks, the rest of the world seem like kittens.
http://www.rooshv.com/do-american-guys-h...-the-world

Post: #72

(09-19-2011 02:24 PM)jariel Wrote:  Calling the same night -- unless it was stated during the initial conversation that that was part of the plan -- is seen as needy, thirsty, etc.

Calling the next day indicates you're serious (which is imperative for the "maybe" girls).

You have to remember most dudes take these girls' phone #s and don't call them at all, and then you have a portion of them who do contact them initially via text, and then you have the ones who do call but call three, four days after they got the number.

Who stands out?

(09-30-2011 07:06 PM)Mace Wrote:  This player recommends calling the next day instead of texting + seeding a date - and has the stats to back it up. I used to think this strategy was too pushy but I think it's best - escalating from the momentum off the initial interaction is key.


On day game approaches that last under 15 minutes definitely call them the next day! You work with momentum and they remember you, reactivate the emotions they felt, etc. You're losing their interest on each day that passes.

(09-30-2011 11:16 PM)jariel Wrote:  What did I say earlier in this discussion?

(10-01-2011 01:07 AM)Mace Wrote:  jariel I think you're right. If she's down she's down, if she's not she's not. I think it's one of those things that only experience can teach you.

Either she's into you or she's not.My new strategy: get digits, callback texts that night, call the next day and seed date.

You guys convinced me. I have been calling or texting the next day. I no longer wait 2-5 days like I did in the past. I have been "seeding" dates with my next day call or text.

I like this strategy better. I am still fresh on her mind. I like the responses I'm getting. If she doesn't want to fuck with me, I know the very next day. If shes down, we continue the momentum from the initial approach. Good work guys.

Mace,

I haven't had time to listen to your audio recordings but I look forward to checking them out when I get a chance.