Post: #1

Hi Guys,

For those that care...

So lately I have been running this little experiment with any girl that I am seeing on a weekly basis. Any more than a weekly basis and this test will likely not prove too effective.

So what is it? Simple. Give them hickeys. Hickeys on their breasts and inner thighs will do the trick. Do it hard enough that it will take at least 3-7 days to fully heal. (most girls bruise much easier than men, obviously).

If they resist, chances are they have another person they are seeing. If they don't resist or claim to like it, then chances are they are not seeing anyone else. ( or at minimum you're their # 1 option)

I know of course this isn't a sure fire way, but it beats asking "are you sleeping around?"

What do you guys think? Is this dumb or do you actually think this is a decent way to get an educated guess on whether or not they are seeing other people?

I have been doing this to the girl I am planning on making my main girl in the near future just as part of my compliance tests and she claims that she likes when I leave my mark on her.

Thanks!

Post: #2

I don't understand why guys are obsessed with figuring out who their girl is sleeping with. The less you care the more she wants to be your main. Less thinking and worry is best with girls

Post: #3

(01-20-2018 10:16 AM)fitness2569 Wrote:  I don't understand why guys are obsessed with figuring out who their girl is sleeping with. The less you care the more she wants to be your main. Less thinking and worry is best with girls

Because we want 'quality' women in the long run, banging a bunch of sluts is just short termist

Post: #4

(01-20-2018 10:16 AM)fitness2569 Wrote:  I don't understand why guys are obsessed with figuring out who their girl is sleeping with. The less you care the more she wants to be your main. Less thinking and worry is best with girls

I would hardly say I'm obsessed with it. Honestly I thought about this AFTER the fact since this is something I typically do with most girls.

Just figured I'd put this out here to see what other peoples opinions are. Personally I have no issue with girls wanting to be my main but I also like to weed out for decent people. I am trying to grow a business and I don't have time for dumbass sluts right now.

Post: #5

Alright, I'll give a real answer to this...

- How receptive is she to your invites? "Babe, come over and lets order pizza." "Aww, I'd love to, but my dog blah blah blah". She's fucking someone else.
- "what are you up to? be fun to hang tonight" "Awww, I'd love to but [I'm at my sister's house / I'm with my mom / I'm saving cats / feeding the homeless]." She's fucking someone else. That text was probably written with a cock in her mouth.
- How much time do you spend with her? If it's a lot, she's probably not seeing anyone else. If it's once or twice a month, she's fucking other dudes. You're also fucking other chicks, so who cares?
- Do you keep a toothbrush at her place? Does she keep one at yours? Does she have multiple toothbrushes, or towels? If there are several toothbrushes and towels in her bathroom, she's fucking someone else. Towels and toothbrushes are good indicators.
- How sexual is she with you? "Baby, I don't know if I want you to come inside me tonight / in my mouth tonight..." She's fucking someone else. A girl who is not seeing anyone else will demand you cum inside her from every angle.

Look, it comes down to this. If you don't want a woman fucking other men, rock her world. Most men out there are total beta losers. It's not really hard to be the best thing she has going on.

However, if you're signaling that you are fucking other people, she is going to do the same. If you want a "committed" relationship, it takes two to tango.

If you want an exclusive relationship, take her on dates and hold her out as your +1.

A girl who wants to be exclusive with you will drop everything, at pretty much every moment, to spend time with you. She'll never deny you sex, either.

Post: #6

(01-20-2018 11:00 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I'll give a real answer to this...

- How receptive is she to your invites? "Babe, come over and lets order pizza." "Aww, I'd love to, but my dog blah blah blah". She's fucking someone else.
Always available when I ask

- "what are you up to? be fun to hang tonight" "Awww, I'd love to but [I'm at my sister's house / I'm with my mom / I'm saving cats]. She's fucking someone else.
- How much time do you spend with her? If it's a lot, she's probably not seeing anyone else. If it's once or twice a month, she's fucking other dudes. You're also fucking other chicks, so who cares?
At least twice per week, I am seeing her

- Do you keep a toothbrush at her place? Does she keep one at yours? Does she have multiple toothbrushes, or towels? If there are several toothbrushes and towels in her bathroom, she's fucking someone else. Towels and toothbrushes are good indicators.
She lives at her parents

- How sexual is she with you? "Baby, I don't know if I want you to come inside me tonight / in my mouth tonight..." She's fucking someone else. A girl who is not seeing anyone else will demand you cum inside her from every angle. I cum in her mouth every time and she is overly demanding that she pleases me with pure selflessness,
also will blow me on her period without fail

Look, it comes down to this. If you don't want a woman fucking other men, rock her world. Most men out there are total beta losers. It's not really hard to be the best thing she has going on. I do, we have great sex. Usually involves blindfolds and handcuffs

However, if you're signaling that you are fucking other people, she is going to do the same. If you want a "committed" relationship, it takes two to tango.I am not signaling I am fucking anyone else and am currently phasing out the "lesser" girls.

If you want an exclusive relationship, take her on dates and hold her out as your +1.
done

Good points / advice. You make some great posts.

Post: #7

I agree it works - always fucks me over if a girl leaves a hickey on me

Post: #8

(01-20-2018 11:12 AM)True Balla Wrote:  I agree it works - always fucks me over if a girl leaves a hickey on me

Ditto - can't stand hickeys. Some girls definitely leave them as territory markers. Had this happen to a chick I was banging years ago. She was committed but fucking around; I told her ok, just know that we aren't going anywhere because of that and I still want to play the field.

She said cool, fine, etc. but then left a hickey on my neck right before I was getting together with this other plate the next night. The other plate didn't notice; morning after that she said "Oh my gosh - did I do that?!" "Yeah babe, you did."

Post: #9

(01-20-2018 11:07 AM)desert Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 11:00 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I'll give a real answer to this...

- How receptive is she to your invites? "Babe, come over and lets order pizza." "Aww, I'd love to, but my dog blah blah blah". She's fucking someone else.
Always available when I ask

- "what are you up to? be fun to hang tonight" "Awww, I'd love to but [I'm at my sister's house / I'm with my mom / I'm saving cats]. She's fucking someone else.
- How much time do you spend with her? If it's a lot, she's probably not seeing anyone else. If it's once or twice a month, she's fucking other dudes. You're also fucking other chicks, so who cares?
At least twice per week, I am seeing her

- Do you keep a toothbrush at her place? Does she keep one at yours? Does she have multiple toothbrushes, or towels? If there are several toothbrushes and towels in her bathroom, she's fucking someone else. Towels and toothbrushes are good indicators.
She lives at her parents

- How sexual is she with you? "Baby, I don't know if I want you to come inside me tonight / in my mouth tonight..." She's fucking someone else. A girl who is not seeing anyone else will demand you cum inside her from every angle. I cum in her mouth every time and she is overly demanding that she pleases me with pure selflessness,
also will blow me on her period without fail

Look, it comes down to this. If you don't want a woman fucking other men, rock her world. Most men out there are total beta losers. It's not really hard to be the best thing she has going on. I do, we have great sex. Usually involves blindfolds and handcuffs

However, if you're signaling that you are fucking other people, she is going to do the same. If you want a "committed" relationship, it takes two to tango.I am not signaling I am fucking anyone else and am currently phasing out the "lesser" girls.

If you want an exclusive relationship, take her on dates and hold her out as your +1.
done

Good points / advice. You make some great posts.

I'd take the advice with a grain of salt though.

Sure all these edgy absolute statemens sounds cool and all, but I'd say reality is often not as black or white.

To say that if a girl is not feeling like hanging out with you on a particular night, it must automatically mean she's fucking someone else at that moment is just silly, in my opinion.
But I've noticed that exaggerating and having an edgy vibe in posts often will be received by a high number of likes on here. Doesn't mean it has much to do with reality though.

Chances could have been that the girl just didn't feel horny, was tired or on her period etc. There are multiple other reasons than banging someone else.

I think that sometimes guys on forums like this gets a bit of a diffused view of reality, just because they themselves live in this bubble where several hours per day is spent on thinking through strategies to get pussy and just bang as many hot chicks as possible.

But the whole world doesn't actually just consist of women who are trying to fuck over their boyfriends by fucking as many predator alphas as they can and consider you a beta male if you only have normal sex with her.

(01-20-2018 11:00 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  A girl who is not seeing anyone else will demand you cum inside her from every angle.

So if a girl doesn't act like a pornstar and demand that you cum all over her she must be fucking someone else? Nah, I don't buy in to these kind of absolute statements which just seem to be far away from reality.

In my experience it's been the exact opposite.
The girls with high notch counts, who actually have been sluts and fucked around, they're the ones who have wanted me to put my cum everywhere on them. They've been the type of degenerates that have loved doing more than just normal sex, while the low notch count girls have been the opposite (some even afraid of having cum on their face).


As for the hickeys in the OP, I don't know. Wasn't hickeys just something kids did back in high school?

I get it if a woman older than that wouldn't want hickeys on her.
What would be the point with that for her? Other than it looks awful and could make it awkward if a colleague saw it. I wouldn't want it.

I'd say there are other, much better slut tells. I think Roosh made a good article on it.

Post: #10

I wait until they pass out, then use a sharpie marker to draw a smiley face on their ass. That stuff takes a lot of scrubbing to get off! Even more when you don't know to scrub extra.

Post: #11

I'm gonna come in as the experienced hand here...

If you're dealing with a real cheater, you might never even know. Cheaters dedicate their life to covering up their tracks, and making it look like they're not covering anything at all.

If she doesnt want you to know, you won't. Unless she's stupid and you're smart. But even air brained women are excellent at being sneaking, conniving cunts.

Don't think you can find shit by creeping her phone either. A smart bitch will have a hidden app for texting men and a good counter intelligence app for finding a key logger or other spy shit you might put on her phone. She will leave her phone out in plain view with no pass code and give you the pass code, because she knows you don't know how to find the secret shit that would actually incriminate her.

I know this sounds paranoid, but I'm icy from the things I have seen, and the things I have done.

If you don't want to be cheated on, don't play a game with rules in the first place.

Post: #12

(01-20-2018 01:13 PM)Steelex Wrote:  I'm gonna come in as the experienced hand here...

If you're dealing with a real cheater, you might never even know. Cheaters dedicate their life to covering up their tracks, and making it look like they're not covering anything at all.

If she doesnt want you to know, you won't. Unless she's stupid and you're smart. But even air brained women are excellent at being sneaking, conniving cunts.

Don't think you can find shit by creeping her phone either. A smart bitch will have a hidden app for texting men and a good counter intelligence app for finding a key logger or other spy shit you might put on her phone. She will leave her phone out in plain view with no pass code and give you the pass code, because she knows you don't know how to find the secret shit that would actually incriminate her.

I know this sounds paranoid, but I'm icy from the things I have seen, and the things I have done.

If you don't want to be cheated on, don't play a game with rules in the first place.

Post: #13

(01-20-2018 11:00 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I'll give a real answer to this...

- How receptive is she to your invites? "Babe, come over and lets order pizza." "Aww, I'd love to, but my dog blah blah blah". She's fucking someone else.
- "what are you up to? be fun to hang tonight" "Awww, I'd love to but [I'm at my sister's house / I'm with my mom / I'm saving cats / feeding the homeless]." She's fucking someone else. That text was probably written with a cock in her mouth.
- How much time do you spend with her? If it's a lot, she's probably not seeing anyone else. If it's once or twice a month, she's fucking other dudes. You're also fucking other chicks, so who cares?
- Do you keep a toothbrush at her place? Does she keep one at yours? Does she have multiple toothbrushes, or towels? If there are several toothbrushes and towels in her bathroom, she's fucking someone else. Towels and toothbrushes are good indicators.
- How sexual is she with you? "Baby, I don't know if I want you to come inside me tonight / in my mouth tonight..." She's fucking someone else. A girl who is not seeing anyone else will demand you cum inside her from every angle.

Look, it comes down to this. If you don't want a woman fucking other men, rock her world. Most men out there are total beta losers. It's not really hard to be the best thing she has going on.

However, if you're signaling that you are fucking other people, she is going to do the same. If you want a "committed" relationship, it takes two to tango.

If you want an exclusive relationship, take her on dates and hold her out as your +1.

A girl who wants to be exclusive with you will drop everything, at pretty much every moment, to spend time with you. She'll never deny you sex, either.

Spot on. I am not gonna play a hickey game with anyone at this point in life. If I have to question whether or not the girl could be fucking someone else, she is.

Post: #14

Giving hickeys or any form of mate guarding over a girl that's not your girlfriend feels lame to me. I actually don't care enough to do things like that.

Post: #15

(01-20-2018 12:18 PM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 11:07 AM)desert Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 11:00 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I'll give a real answer to this...

- How receptive is she to your invites? "Babe, come over and lets order pizza." "Aww, I'd love to, but my dog blah blah blah". She's fucking someone else.
Always available when I ask

- "what are you up to? be fun to hang tonight" "Awww, I'd love to but [I'm at my sister's house / I'm with my mom / I'm saving cats]. She's fucking someone else.
- How much time do you spend with her? If it's a lot, she's probably not seeing anyone else. If it's once or twice a month, she's fucking other dudes. You're also fucking other chicks, so who cares?
At least twice per week, I am seeing her

- Do you keep a toothbrush at her place? Does she keep one at yours? Does she have multiple toothbrushes, or towels? If there are several toothbrushes and towels in her bathroom, she's fucking someone else. Towels and toothbrushes are good indicators.
She lives at her parents

- How sexual is she with you? "Baby, I don't know if I want you to come inside me tonight / in my mouth tonight..." She's fucking someone else. A girl who is not seeing anyone else will demand you cum inside her from every angle. I cum in her mouth every time and she is overly demanding that she pleases me with pure selflessness,
also will blow me on her period without fail

Look, it comes down to this. If you don't want a woman fucking other men, rock her world. Most men out there are total beta losers. It's not really hard to be the best thing she has going on. I do, we have great sex. Usually involves blindfolds and handcuffs

However, if you're signaling that you are fucking other people, she is going to do the same. If you want a "committed" relationship, it takes two to tango.I am not signaling I am fucking anyone else and am currently phasing out the "lesser" girls.

If you want an exclusive relationship, take her on dates and hold her out as your +1.
done

Good points / advice. You make some great posts.

I'd take the advice with a grain of salt though.

Sure all these edgy absolute statemens sounds cool and all, but I'd say reality is often not as black or white.

To say that if a girl is not feeling like hanging out with you on a particular night, it must automatically mean she's fucking someone else at that moment is just silly, in my opinion.
But I've noticed that exaggerating and having an edgy vibe in posts often will be received by a high number of likes on here. Doesn't mean it has much to do with reality though.

Chances could have been that the girl just didn't feel horny, was tired or on her period etc. There are multiple other reasons than banging someone else.

I think that sometimes guys on forums like this gets a bit of a diffused view of reality, just because they themselves live in this bubble where several hours per day is spent on thinking through strategies to get pussy and just bang as many hot chicks as possible.

But the whole world doesn't actually just consist of women who are trying to fuck over their boyfriends by fucking as many predator alphas as they can and consider you a beta male if you only have normal sex with her.

(01-20-2018 11:00 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  A girl who is not seeing anyone else will demand you cum inside her from every angle.

So if a girl doesn't act like a pornstar and demand that you cum all over her she must be fucking someone else? Nah, I don't buy in to these kind of absolute statements which just seem to be far away from reality.

In my experience it's been the exact opposite.
The girls with high notch counts, who actually have been sluts and fucked around, they're the ones who have wanted me to put my cum everywhere on them. They've been the type of degenerates that have loved doing more than just normal sex, while the low notch count girls have been the opposite (some even afraid of having cum on their face).


As for the hickeys in the OP, I don't know. Wasn't hickeys just something kids did back in high school?

I get it if a woman older than that wouldn't want hickeys on her.
What would be the point with that for her? Other than it looks awful and could make it awkward if a colleague saw it. I wouldn't want it.

I'd say there are other, much better slut tells. I think Roosh made a good article on it.

Alright, I will get into the nitty gritty...

Sometimes you'll text a plate and she's busy. She's actually at her mom's house, working, or doing something else, shopping, whatever. We all have other stuff to do. Sometimes I'd rather watch TV than have sex, or I'm just doing other stuff.

However, if a plate is constantly busy, she's fucking someone else. If sex is hard to get, she's fucking someone else.

One of my favorite stories. This is how my Aunt and Uncle got together:

"Babe, I want to take you out. I can make Thursday or Saturday work."
"I could do Thursday..."
"Saturday it is."

I asked my uncle about this. Why Saturday?

His response? "Because if she's busy on a Saturday she's seeing someone else."

In any event, this is my point. It's very easy when a woman is into you, and you're the best thing she has going on. She'll be responsive to your texts, spend time with you, and generally drop what she's doing to bang. Ask her to come over and get pizza and watch Clueless. She's usually game.

If she's busy, she'll tell you that and reschedule. It's not "Oh, I'd love to see you, but my dog is sick!" It's "I'm at my mom's house but I'll be around tomorrow. Come over?"

This is a matter of calibration. I can always tell when she's seeing someone else or the interest is low. I've just been down this road so many times that it's not rocket science anymore.

She's either on the fence or she's all in. Either way...

Post: #16

If you ever find yourself wondering if your girl is sleeping with someone else, she is.

You can thank me later.

Post: #17

Hank Moody I agree with you as well at The Alpha Virgin.

Yes, you could have reworded your initial statement to be less extreme and have a bit more room for nuances, but it could be argued that this should be immediately implied by the intelligent reader.

Generally speaking, if a girl wants to see you, she will usually drop everything and move mountains to see you (when she's under the love spell of a high value alpha man). So if a girl is giving excuses, it's generally a sign that there's other men in her life that she's giving priority to as you aren't number 1. Also could be a million other reasons, but as a general rule what you say holds true.

Post: #18

Steelex has some solid shit in this thread.

Girls are are serious cheaters are good at not getting caught. They delete texts, have solid alibis, and play whatever suspicions you may have off like they were nothing.

Girls that are sloppy - just go with your gut. The biggest telltale signs are lots of unavailability.

Post: #19

(01-20-2018 08:24 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I will get into the nitty gritty...

Sometimes you'll text a plate and she's busy. She's actually at her mom's house, working, or doing something else, shopping, whatever. We all have other stuff to do. Sometimes I'd rather watch TV than have sex, or I'm just doing other stuff.

However, if a plate is constantly busy, she's fucking someone else. If sex is hard to get, she's fucking someone else.

One of my favorite stories. This is how my Aunt and Uncle got together:

"Babe, I want to take you out. I can make Thursday or Saturday work."
"I could do Thursday..."
"Saturday it is."

I asked my uncle about this. Why Saturday?

His response? "Because if she's busy on a Saturday she's seeing someone else."

In any event, this is my point. It's very easy when a woman is into you, and you're the best thing she has going on. She'll be responsive to your texts, spend time with you, and generally drop what she's doing to bang. Ask her to come over and get pizza and watch Clueless. She's usually game.

If she's busy, she'll tell you that and reschedule. It's not "Oh, I'd love to see you, but my dog is sick!" It's "I'm at my mom's house but I'll be around tomorrow. Come over?"

This is a matter of calibration. I can always tell when she's seeing someone else or the interest is low. I've just been down this road so many times that it's not rocket science anymore.

She's either on the fence or she's all in. Either way...

I was sure I'd read a similar story of yours in another thread, a long time ago.

Sure enough, here it is. About your grandmother and grandfather.

Why do you alter the story Hank?

I appreciate your threads and advice but this is very strange.

Post: #20

You should be fucking and dating other women while you are dating her.

If she is high quality as you want it, then it is understood that she is exclusive to you.

If not, then she is just a plate. Also the advice by Hank are spot on.

Intuition is also a thing - you can train it - sounds Jedi crap, but meditation, contemplation and meeting lots of girls let you train intuition of being able to see lots of things in girls that unaware Blue Pill men cannot.

Post: #21

(01-21-2018 03:40 AM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 08:24 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I will get into the nitty gritty...

Sometimes you'll text a plate and she's busy. She's actually at her mom's house, working, or doing something else, shopping, whatever. We all have other stuff to do. Sometimes I'd rather watch TV than have sex, or I'm just doing other stuff.

However, if a plate is constantly busy, she's fucking someone else. If sex is hard to get, she's fucking someone else.

One of my favorite stories. This is how my Aunt and Uncle got together:

"Babe, I want to take you out. I can make Thursday or Saturday work."
"I could do Thursday..."
"Saturday it is."

I asked my uncle about this. Why Saturday?

His response? "Because if she's busy on a Saturday she's seeing someone else."

In any event, this is my point. It's very easy when a woman is into you, and you're the best thing she has going on. She'll be responsive to your texts, spend time with you, and generally drop what she's doing to bang. Ask her to come over and get pizza and watch Clueless. She's usually game.

If she's busy, she'll tell you that and reschedule. It's not "Oh, I'd love to see you, but my dog is sick!" It's "I'm at my mom's house but I'll be around tomorrow. Come over?"

This is a matter of calibration. I can always tell when she's seeing someone else or the interest is low. I've just been down this road so many times that it's not rocket science anymore.

She's either on the fence or she's all in. Either way...

I was sure I'd read a similar story of yours in another thread, a long time ago.

Sure enough, here it is. About your grandmother and grandfather.

Why do you alter the story Hank?

I appreciate your threads and advice but this is very strange.

It's my aunt and uncle.

I try and post personal stuff, but not too personal, because this is an anonymous account. Inconsequential details are sometimes changed to maintain plausible deniability.

Anyone who knows me in real life knows that story. I tell it all the time.

Candidly, I have a lot of SJW enemies in real life, which resulted in a very public lawsuit (that I won). Someday I might even write about it.

Now that the personal litigation has been finalized, I'm less guarded about my identity.

Post: #22

(01-21-2018 03:40 AM)DarianFrey Wrote:  I was sure I'd read a similar story of yours in another thread, a long time ago.

Sure enough, here it is. About your grandmother and grandfather.

Why do you alter the story Hank?

I appreciate your threads and advice but this is very strange.

Feds are watching

Post: #23

To me some of the biggest pitfalls of this discussion are some posters don't have a basic grasp of common redpill/game concepts, let alone internalized or used them out in the field.

Those who have done the above - will know that females or capable of ANYTHING.

When you accept women for what they are, what they are capable of, then do Hank & Steelex's comments make sense.

Like that girl who claimed she was a virgin, but got ass fucked that one drunk time and sucked off dudes on Friday nights at high school parties.

But to be honest, if she isn't something serious, the less you care, the more power you have.

Just because a girl doesn't want hickies, doesn't automatically mean she's banging someone else, ever think she might think it's trashy and tacky ?

Zelco has some great advice - you should be banging other girls and not investing in just one unless she's a serious contender for an LTR.

In most cases you're never going to find out if she's banging other dudes, and if you do, you probably had to do some digging (which is a waste of time), or she's sloppy - aka meaning she wasn't worthy to begin with.

Post: #24

There is not a single woman I will ever trust, including my mother, my sister and my wife. It doesn't mean I don't love them; I just don't see them as perfect. OP, that is rule number 1. They're master manipulators. From there, it becomes easier to swallow the red pill because you will not care as much what she does. Why? Because you have now got game and are also getting poon on the side. It is this fact that you're not getting poon on the side is causing you to ask this question.

My advice: secure more approaches, more numbers, more bangs however works for you and stop focusing on one woman.

Also, do not ever run experiments on one fucking woman. "Main" girls are never "main" girls. You need to figure out how to be the "main" man though.

Post: #25

Unless she is my girlfriend, I assume all of them are sleeping with other guys.

Also seconded most of what Cobra and Kaotic said above.