Post: #1

I work out and I wanted to know how far I can go without steroids thus I would like to ask opinion whether following body can be achieved without drugs:

https://youtu.be/0uv4S4JN7Ks?t=30s

Post: #2

(01-06-2018 12:53 PM)EmotionalGeek Wrote:  I work out and I wanted to know how far I can go without steroids thus I would like to ask opinion whether following body can be achieved without drugs:

https://youtu.be/0uv4S4JN7Ks?t=30s

why you wonder about other man? why you care mr high school drama man

Post: #3

Yes, with 'average' genes you can look roughly like this guy - if you make training and dieting an extremely large part of your life.

Here's a good article with a bunch of calculators. The numbers you get out of this are likely to be broadly correct.

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/your-d...al-part-1/

Post: #4

(01-06-2018 12:53 PM)EmotionalGeek Wrote:  I work out and I wanted to know how far I can go without steroids thus I would like to ask opinion whether following body can be achieved without drugs:

https://youtu.be/0uv4S4JN7Ks?t=30s

Just depends on your age/training what you eat, and your genetic.

Is it very hard to to reach a pro body builder physique: like 175 cm and 100 kg and with a 5% body fat, is almost impossible for many without drugs. But is not impossible to reach a good physique with muscles and a good body fat %, the guy in the video hasn't a pro body builder physique, he has some muscles and good body fat %, I think is possible to get it without steroids.

I don't play body building but I have heard from some guys, that a good result your could reach without drugs is your weight-height ratio + 10. I mean: if your height is 1,75m you can arrive 85 kg (75 + 10) with a 7% body fat. But I have heard about someone who got a weight-height ratio + 20 with a 7% body fat. 7% body fat can be the max % to reach without drugs.

Post: #5

(01-06-2018 01:11 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 12:53 PM)EmotionalGeek Wrote:  I work out and I wanted to know how far I can go without steroids thus I would like to ask opinion whether following body can be achieved without drugs:

https://youtu.be/0uv4S4JN7Ks?t=30s

why you wonder about other man? why you care mr high school drama man

Read my question again. I didn't ask about this guy. I asked whether this kind of body can be reached without drugs. I could post any other guy who looks similar to this one. It was only example of body. Do you understand the difference?

Post: #6

Relevant username is relevant

Post: #7

Yea you can achieve that with a couple years of work if you have good genetics and the right body structure.

Post: #8

The thing to keep in mind is that even to achieve something very moderate like that, the guy still had highs and lows in his progress, and had to learn the way. I guarantee it.

People are quick to be like "oh well just do madcow 5x5 and intermittent fasting and you'll be jacked and ripped", well see how far that gets you. It's a multi faceted process.

Post: #9

This is just some bloke passing off the Starting Strength routine as his own. What a crock of shit.

Post: #10

(01-06-2018 12:53 PM)EmotionalGeek Wrote:  I work out and I wanted to know how far I can go without steroids thus I would like to ask opinion whether following body can be achieved without drugs:

https://youtu.be/0uv4S4JN7Ks?t=30s

Yes, you can do it naturally with a few years work no problem.
Build the muscle mass and then shred down.

Diet would be key too looking like he does.

Post: #11

Yeah that's a realistic but challenging natural physique. Kinobody is an example of what might be obtainable with good genetics (although his delts look a bit suspect in some videos I've seen). Depending on genetics, some will be able to go beyond, others won't be able to get close. Plenty of guys on TRT look worse.

For all the internet stats out there, assuming normal height range, the reality is that a 16 inch arm at sub 10% bodyfat is very rare for naturals (and looks pretty damn impressive). 15.5 is doing well shredded.