Post: #26

(12-23-2017 07:42 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  you should have gone for broke and used the phrase "titular head."

Post: #27

Archer is like the main character in Star Wars. He is the best without doing anything. The difference is that Archer isn't pushed as normal, so no one really cares. Everyone in that show has messed up lives.

I agree with Suits on Archer's dysfunctional life, but I think that is the main draw of the show. 'What can this crazy guy do next?'

This is not an argument, but Archer :
1. Drinks so much that others around him are negatively affected .
2. Puts others in danger unnecessarily.
3. Has a mother who behaves crazy and was absent in his life.
4. Had no clue on who his father is.
and so on.

Post: #28

OP went from Beta to full blown Omega in a couple of posts.

Post: #29

Actually catalyst if you know the “conflict” it started in the exact opposite way.

I do always say “phrasing” though.

Post: #30

(12-23-2017 08:19 PM)Suits Wrote:  Lots of butthurt in this thread. I see that I've really hurt the feelings of the guys who have built a personal identity around being a natural alpha.

I'm guessing that these "natural alphas" missed a few obvious clues in my post and ended up taking it waaaaaaay too seriously.

Anyway, I just hope no one calls me an incel again. Anything but that.

(12-23-2017 04:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:50 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  A whole post dedicated to hating natural alphas. That explains a lot.

Is this post another "joke?"

No suits, unlike you I don’t mince words.

It explains why you are so bitter towards men with chiseled jawlines.

As 911 pointed out, someone that looks like Archer is a natural alpha, and so someone that looks like a “beta” (for lack of a better word) will be the same, a natural beta.

Also, who told you women don’t like men who improve themselves? I always work my self improvement pursuits into my conversations and girls love that.

Agree with the Comte, this is an incel post.

Actually, you do mince words, routinely and consistently. In a recent post of yours, you accused me of being "bitter" and then after I took you down a few pegs, you went into full retreat mode by claiming that you were "just joking." I don't think your way of interacting with others is as logical and straightforward as you believe. In my experience, it is only truly weak people who believe wholeheartedly that anyone who disagrees with them is automatically wrong. This can easily be spotted when someone reacts with full-blown anger to any opinion that doesn't match their worldview.

If you weren't clearly projecting your own worldview on to your opinions I'd be liable to give what you said a shot. But all I see is bitter beta rage at perceived slights you received at some point or another(see below for some choice quotes that show this is the case and not due to any insight on your part period). Take it as you will because I generally have no issue with you. Just your autism is showing.

Also I'm not a natural if you're insinuating that I believe I'm one.

(12-23-2017 11:39 AM)Suits Wrote:  There are always going to be a small percentage of men who are naturally skillful with women. They will be described as alphas and envied by many a man, but the truth is that these "natural players" always end up settling down with a ball-busting women that convinces him to marry her millimeters from her hitting the wall. He's quickly demoted to a mere paycheck, grateful to even be permitted one weekend a year to pursuit masculine pastimes.

...

This is a fact that no woman wants to acknowledge. This is why there is such an intense emotional backlash against men who stride to improve their game. Women hate the idea of a man improving himself. She's far more comfortable in a world where the only man who find their way into her vaginal regions were born for the mission. The idea that a man could improve himself through hard work and self-education is horrifying to the female mind. This opens the door the possibility of less than perfect genetic material ejaculating within her loins.
...

This is the ultimate consequence of a society that idealizes chivelled man chins and fails to respects the true ingredients that build a healthy community. Strong, sustainable civilizations are built not by the efforts of genetically perfect men, but rather imperfect men who learn to become what they need to be to create the future that they want their off-spring to have. And even more importantly, by the equally sacrificial contributions of the women who pursue not status or superiority, but rather seek to support the imperfect, but ideally motivated men who are offering an equal sacrifice by giving their best years to create a healthy community where their offspring will thrive.

Natural alphas do not give a fuck about their offspring. They just wanna fuck more bitches until even that becomes boring. The real civilization builder isn't the man who was born perfect, but rather the man who was empowered by an equally imperfect female who committed herself to giving him a reason to get out of bed at 6AM every morning (if he slept at all) with the sole purpose to create a better future for those he loves.

Post: #31

Post: #32

Regardless of whether or not Suits' general thesis is valid, there still are some powerful quotes and ideas in the op.

I think, as ridiculous as it may sound, a lot of men do (a ) place unrealistic expectations on themselves as a result of media portrayals and ; (b) do not truly appreciate the hardwork needed in order to effect meaningful improvement.

I had a friend (more of an acquaintance) in university who is probably the smartest person that I've ever met. He was also lazy as hell and would cram literally the night before for every major exam.

He completed his law degree with average grades even though he had the potential to be top of the class. I distinctly remember him on more than one occasion waxing on lyrically about John Von Neumann's amazing mind and how if he had an eidetic memory he would have been killing every exam.

I think a similar thing can potentially happen subconsciously when watching fictional alpha portrayals.
A case of "I'll never be that perfect naturally so what's the use", and such a mindset can be deleterious to even men with superior natural ability.

P.S. I do think the op really is much ado about nothing

Post: #33

Post: #34

(12-23-2017 09:26 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Now excuse me while I colour my hair pink and put on 50 kilos.

Incels projecting metrics again.

Aloha!

Post: #35

(12-23-2017 12:46 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:44 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Come on suits. Really? Archer is one of the best TV shows on television.

You've spent too much time in China.

Quite honestly, I just wanted to be able to use the word 'titular' in a sentence.

You forgot about "Eponymous"; I see your $5 word and raise you $15.

Suits is right. If you've been following later seasons, it's all but devolved into an SJW freak parade. Everybody on the show has slept with everybody else, no judgment about the Ladyboys and Cobra Whiskey, the characters are all switching careers seasons to season in a desperate attempt to "Find Themselves!" despite being well into their thirties, and there's no regard shown to the loss of human life surrounding them (in the first season it was a fully staffed spy office - all the other employees have died due to the protagonists' misbehaviour).

Follow that train track long enough, and you wind up with blue hair, and fury at those who weren't so spendthrift, or who had to work for their money instead of receiving trust funds. I think the show could have done itself a favour by killing off all the characters except Lana when they failed to rescue the scientist in their "Journey to the human body" episode.

Jerry Seinfeld was a genius when he killed his show; they should have done the same here.

Post: #36

(12-24-2017 12:29 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:46 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:44 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Come on suits. Really? Archer is one of the best TV shows on television.

You've spent too much time in China.

Quite honestly, I just wanted to be able to use the word 'titular' in a sentence.

You forgot about "Eponymous"; I see your $5 word and raise you $15.

Suits is right. If you've been following later seasons, it's all but devolved into an SJW freak parade. Everybody on the show has slept with everybody else, no judgment about the Ladyboys and Cobra Whiskey, the characters are all switching careers seasons to season in a desperate attempt to "Find Themselves!" despite being well into their thirties, and there's no regard shown to the loss of human life surrounding them (in the first season it was a fully staffed spy office - all the other employees have died due to the protagonists' misbehaviour).

Follow that train track long enough, and you wind up with blue hair, and fury at those who weren't so spendthrift, or who had to work for their money instead of receiving trust funds. I think the show could have done itself a favour by killing off all the characters except Lana when they failed to rescue the scientist in their "Journey to the human body" episode.

Jerry Seinfeld was a genius when he killed his show; they should have done the same here.

The show is making fun of sjws who “find” themselves.

Post: #37

I'm not going to enter into philosophical aspects of that TV show.

Archer is hilarious!

Post: #38

All comedy is based upon suffering - even puns are the suffering of grammatical forms.

Thus, the Catch-22 of comedy; your characters need to be likeable, and yet flawed.

Comedy demands resolution; either the characters reform themselves (see every romantic comedy) or - if they're true paragons of depravity, as in the case of Seinfeld or Archer - they must suffer the consequences of their sins.

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but it's connected to the deeper denial of the Hero's Journey we see in modern culture. Modern culture stops halfway through - the hero kills the Big Bad, and gets the girl. At no point does he incorporate the Big Bad, create the Elixir by ingesting the toxins of the dead underworld, and return to become the wise elder.

Nope - next season he's the same, immature character, ready to have another adventure.

Supernatural should have ended with the "Good" brother burning in Hell where he belonged - and Archer should have ended with the lot of them getting a CIA bullet in the back of the head, buried in shallow graves somewhere out in the Mojave (except Lana, chastened, with a new baby which finally demands that she becomes responsible).

The perpetual youth and narcissism of modern culture is deeply worrisome to me. It's like the farandolae in L'Engle's "Wind in the Door".

Post: #39

Since when is a comedy meant to depict responsible, civilization-building behavior?

Post: #40

(12-24-2017 01:19 PM)Delta Wrote:  Since when is a comedy meant to depict responsible, civilization-building behavior?

All narrative is about truth, or it is pornography. This is simply the nature of reality.

Post: #41

(12-23-2017 11:00 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  Suits, would you say this thread is or isn't going in the direction you were hoping for?

This thread is classic RVF. I'm more than happy to propose an unpopular perspective if it leads to entertaining conversation. It's just too bad that no one seems to remember 2Wycked's legendary posts from back in the day.

Comte and Fisto's posts are the result of some unrelated drama that has nothing to do with this thread. Comte and I have had some friction between us ever since I went Hulk mode on him after he told me in an off-forum discussion that he believes that it is morally ideal for rich people to bribe the police to get the results they want and it probably wouldn't be very fair of me to discuss publicly why Fisto keeps trying to AMOG me.

Comte is a good guy, by the way. Very talented and capable. Just young and with a lot to learn. I have a great respect for his abilities and he's entitled to his opinion even if it disagrees with mine.

Post: #42

If my post was a result of personal friction my rep from you would have been long gone lol. I'm just telling you what I see with the least offense possible.

If I had an issue with you over something it would be more readily apparent and especially more direct.

Post: #43

Post: #44

(12-24-2017 01:29 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:19 PM)Delta Wrote:  Since when is a comedy meant to depict responsible, civilization-building behavior?

All narrative is about truth, or it is pornography. This is simply the nature of reality.

I hate to derail a wonderfully amusing Suits trolling thread, but...

that is a brilliant observation and one that I can say I have unconsciously followed in all my cinema work.

Too bad I can't rep you again, Aurini.

Post: #45

This thread is inappropes

Post: #46

I don't know this show. But a repeat offender should always be seen as a criminal, ready to dive into degeneracy at any moment. And Hollywood fits the bill of a repeat offender. How many examples of denigrated "entertainment" have we already seen from them? Too many to count...they are guilty until proven innocent.

Moreover, if the show is good (i.e. applauding the attributes of masculine greatness), then we can expect it to be defiled by season #2. The brave protagonist, replaced by a more sensitive and vulnerable version of the season #1 character. You can bet your bottom shekel on it.

Post: #47

Suits, How have I tried to AMOG you?

You made a ridiculously stupid comment in the Trump thread.

Your big contribution to one of the greatest presidential debate moments on TV to President Trump’s “Because you’d be in jail” was “Put up or shut up”.

Suits, English teacher in China, who isn’t qualified to comment on anything with authority except maybe grammar is telling Donald Trump, who has done more great things for the country in a short amount of time to “put up or shut up”.

Ever the heavy thinker that was your big contribution.

Forgive me if I don’t see that as a “sigma comment”.

It just sounds bitter and I joked with you about it and it clearly struck a nerve.


Now we have your analysis and assertions on what is a fun show because of absurd behaviors from the characters who routinely make fun of the PC world and you decide to turn it into an attack on “natural alphas” (Which President Trump absolutely is).

Seems like a lot of plain old jealousy.

And for the record I don’t think I’ve ever claimed to be a natural alpha either because I wasn’t.

In the Army I’d go months without even meeting any women and that’s why this resonates as the post of an incel.

I had to knuckle down and really work on my game.

Hell, I still get approach anxiety.

Anyway Archer is a great show and hardly “everything that’s wrong with the world”.

This post hating on success is part of what’s wrong though, I doubt 2Wyked would say any of this.

Post: #48

Good post, OP.

Another thing I'd like to add is there's a very real and heavy obsession with looks nowadays, both male and female. And it has only been exacerbated by the rise of social media, dating apps, Netflix etc. I don't mean to hate on good-looking people, shit I'm not so bad myself, but the over-emphasis on how people look without focusing on their substance is a big misstep. If you're average looking or below in the West, may God help you. You will be sidelined, shunned, and will have a very difficult time making any sort of social circle (double that if you're an ugly-looking immigrant arrival).

Post: #49

(12-25-2017 03:08 AM)Windom Earle Wrote:  This thread is inappropes

Thats right. Totes inappropes. it's Christmas.

If you kids fight I'm gonna take your presents away.

Window Earle, Merry Christmas. Go open your new rep point.

Aloha!

Post: #50

I love this show and I am strikingly attractive. I just AMOGed the entire thread, Merry Christmas!