Post: #1

Imagine a world where DC Bachelor never happened...

Imagine a world where Poland was never banged...

Imagine a world where the RooshV forum never burst forth from Roosh's mind like Athena, the Goddess of Wisdom, bursting forth from Zeus' forehead...

Would Fisto's invasion of Southeast Asia have never taken place? Would the world have never been swooped? Or more recently, would Kyle have never caused trouble? What would that world even look like?

For the sake of the thread, assume no forums like it ever existed as well, and no PUA books/scene either.

Where would you be?

How would your life be different?

Would it be better?

Would it be worse?

How so?

The discussion can go anywhere, including politics I suppose, since it's in the everything else thread, but if you mention politics, let's try to make sure it doesn't dominate the thread, it should be more about personal stories, personal triumphs/losses, etc.

I'll start.

If the RooshV forum would not have been created...I would possibly not have travelled to Asia. Before traveling to Asia, I used to drink to numb myself while being around some of the narcissistic, entitled, delusional women I encountered in America. I thought I had a drinking problem.

Once I moved to Asia, I noticed that in all the time I lived there, I didn't have a single drop of alcohol. Not one. I simply had no desire to numb myself anymore because I could actually enjoy the company of girls there, as by and large, they're decent human beings who have struggled through life while keeping their composure and a smile on their face.

So, indirectly, via encouraging my trip to Asia (thanks Scotian, Fisto, Roosh, Beyond Borders, Onto, Cr33pin, Vacancier Permanent, DirectDanger, iKnowExactly, 20Nation, Sp5, CalWinston, Enigma, and a few others I can't remember off the top of my head), the RooshV forum cured something in me that seemed like alcoholism, but was actually my coping mechanism for dealing with the madness around me.

Now I pretty much don't drink at all and I spend my time on lifestyle design. It's sweet. I wouldn't say the forum was the deciding factor for this turn of events, it wasn't, but it was definitely a part of the puzzle.

And for that, I thank all of you guys!

What do you think would have become of you? What do you think would have become of other forum members?

What would YOUR world look like in this alternate reality?

Post: #2

I'd be trying to get into school for a PhD, I'd have a master's in history.

I'd be confused about why the girls I sleep with (fewer and far between compared to my current amount) were so mean when I treat them so well.

I'd never work out, except maybe lifting once or twice a month. Never running.

I'd be a cuckservative, wondering why Trump wanted to ban hardworking natural conservatives from the country.

I'd be reminding people how Muslims suffer most from Islamic terror, with the numbers in Europe being a drop in the bucket in comparison.

I'd decide to stay home and play video games rather than chase odd jobs to stack cash.

I'd have fewer friends, as I'd fear the label of "homosexual" if I hung around too many guys.

I'd smoke weed with the few friends I did have, just because the pothead girls were there and it was a way to get close to them.

I'd believe the BS I tell girls about being "straight polyamorous," despite knowing deep down that I just wanna fuck them and not be committed to a single girl.

I'd be constantly lying to myself that things were ok, rather than working to make myself better.

Thanks the gods for RVF.

Post: #3

I would know nothing of Little Dark terrorising flocks of white knights across the bars and clubs of the Earth.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #4

Hillary Clinton would be president.

Post: #5

I wouldnt understand why women do stupid shit all the time. Now I know what they will do before they even do it.

Post: #6

(10-15-2017 09:02 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  I'd smoke weed with the few friends I did have, just because the pothead girls were there and it was a way to get close to them.

That resonates, man. I never got into that scene, but I'd be lying if I said the temptation wasn't there, if only for the easy bangs.

Post: #7

That's a toughie, I probably would have become far more militant in my conservatism. The forum has a great moderating force for me to know that i'm not the only one who feels this way.

When you're alone, you go more insane. Having like minded people around helps keep me from going nuts.

My life path would have been the same. Definitely found solace in traditional conservatism.

Post: #8

(10-15-2017 09:31 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  My life path would have been the same. Definitely found solace in traditional conservatism.

Same here.

This alternate plan of getting married, having your wife put on 100 lbs., getting a divorce and not being able to raise your kids, then repeating the same thing over again while you're bled dry, until there's nothing left but a husk of the vibrant young man you once were...

The plan where you feel "lucky" because "you got laid" with some girl you actually can't stand being around...

It's not for me.

It's nice that the forum was created, as it's one more thing we've got to remind us that we're not crazy, to get our bearings every so often in this madness. There's a variety of ideologies here, but we can all see when we're being had.

When every other part of society is telling you to jump off the cliff because everyone else is doing it, we're holding each other back, "Don't do it, man, don't jump, they've all lost their collective minds!"

Post: #9

Honestly, a lot changed for me because I found RVF. I had a major personality and life experience shift, but it was kind of a domino effect so I'll start from the beginning.

1. If not for RVF, I wouldn't have known how much some Asian girls liked white guys. I had a Taiwan trip planned not focusing on sex originally. Then I found RVF right before the trip looking for bars to go to in Taipei and got advice on how to close Asian women. Used tinder in Taipei and met a couple girls from there. First one gave me LMR that in pre-RVF, I would've caved, but RVF pushed me to be persistent, we ended up having sex, and we fuck every day for a week while she gives me a grand tour of the city.

2. I got closure about my ex-girlfriend thanks to RVF. I had major oneitis for her, loved her, treated her like a queen, the whole nine yards. She started getting colder to me as the relationship went on and I couldn't figure out why and didn't know how to get over her. RVF gave me answers on female behavior and looking back at it from the year before Taipei, I realized I went pretty heavy beta on her, always giving into her frame. I was finally able to accept where I went wrong, open my eyes to her flaws, and why she lost feelings for me.

3. I went to a pussy paradise. After Taiwan and my RVF exposure, I decided I needed to have a trip that would allow me to focus on women after a decent dry spell. Because of that, the door was opened for me to go to the Philippines. To this day, best trip I've ever had. Got exposed to members from the website and of course a supply of women I could never imagine back home. Gave me an unbelievable confidence boost, memories, girl experience to bullshit and signs of interest, and a fall-back place to settle down if I get a remote income going.

4. Self-confidence and lessons on how to be a man as I enter the adult world. Some people think I'm mature for my age, others think I'm a fool. But fresh out of college, I felt like I had no true guidance on how to get my own in this world until I found this website. I can't say I have all of the answers now, but this site gives you no bullshit practical advice on how to succeed in adulthood without dancing around tough topics or putting you down in a nasty tone. There's tough love but in the end, you know they're here to help. I also used to have a lot of anxiety and while I'm not exactly a social butterfly now, I'm not nearly as afraid to be open and honest about what I have to say as I used to be.

Post: #10

"What-If's" are always entertaining, especially in a historical frame, but historical and cultural forces led to where we are now, regarding the manosphere or just any day-to-day life in the West.

Pragmatism steers me to the Classics, but I must admit being remiss regarding that, as the clock devours the day.

Post: #11

I'd be brainstorming ways to be even nicer to girls, because my previous level of niceness just wasn't quite getting the job done. Eventually, after countless years of hard work and frustration, my fantastic nice personality would finally land me the ultimate prize: a chubby 4/10 who harbors a deep-seated bitterness that I'm the best she can do, and has zero respect for me as a man (which I'd be oblivious to because I would never have experienced true passion and respect from a woman). We would have sex for the first time on our 15th date, because I'd know how awful and disrespectful it is to push for sex early on. Once or twice a week, I'd look through the photos of my fattest Facebook friends to convince myself that I didn't do too badly, because hey, at least my girl isn't really fat like these people. We would grow old together as what little attraction I once had for her slowly waned to zero, and all the while I'd be hanging on to her for dear life, because I wouldn't bear the thought of going back into the confusing and hellish world of dating.

Post: #12

I would have killed someone by now.

Post: #13

I would've killed myself by now.

Post: #14

I already have lived in such alternate reality.

Having a wage cuck job I spend two hours commuting to both ways, coming straight home too exhausted to drag my ass to the gym.

When I rather do nothing other than plop on a cushy couch and watch reruns on my 68 inch LCD screen smart TV, my wife henpecks me about the unwashed dishes and the grass overgrowing by 1/4".

As I finish the dishes, my wife "reminds" me that the pool needs to be cleaned. Meanwhile, my wife picks up some pizza or KFC because she's "too tired" to cook.

I dig in to the greasy hyperglycemic artery-clogging contraption known by most Americans, and by extension, Monsanto, as "food". Fattening my waste line little by little until my body could take no more.

Having weekly "family budget meetings" with the wife, where I gloss over gross over-expenditures on bullshit out of fear of upsetting the wife if I so as much question how and why the money was being used. Thoughts such as "but it's MY money! I make more than she does!" are instantly squelched by my feminist programming. The times where I do find my balls and speak up only devolve into major battles that leave me emotionally exhausted and defeated.

Instead of initiating sex in bed, I delve myself into a fiction novel to surround myself in an alternate reality in a concentrated effort to get myself out of my homely prison. Only when I break out of this alternate fantasy, my wife floats the idea of her dating other men... maybe it will give our marriage some renewed spark. Technically, I have permission to sleep with other women as well... but the only problem with that is, I don't even exist in the eyes of other women.

But alas, that's the alternate reality without this forum.

Thanks to this forum, I'm living the dream in Asia.

Making money with my own business and trading cryptocurrencies.

Hitting the gym hard with a fellow forum member and getting jacked. Asian girls staring at me lustfully as I walk out of the gym in full pump mode.

Meeting up with Big Gunners from this forum. Making new buddies and exchanging business ideas. Drinking craft brews with them once a week.

Dating beautiful girls with nary an attitude, having the hottest sex I could ever dream of -- on my own terms, and traveling to exotic places with girl in arm as she wears a sexy top with retro jean shorts.

Doing everything between laying on a beach in paradise and cruising on winding roads through the mountains on a motorbike.

And most importantly, LIVING FREE!

Post: #15

(10-15-2017 11:09 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  I already have lived in such alternate reality.

Having a wage cuck job I spend two hours commuting to both ways, coming straight home too exhausted to drag my ass to the gym.

When I rather do nothing other than plop on a cushy couch and watch reruns on my 68 inch LCD screen smart TV, my wife henpecks me about the unwashed dishes and the grass overgrowing by 1/4".

As I finish the dishes, my wife "reminds" me that the pool needs to be cleaned. Meanwhile, my wife picks up some pizza or KFC because she's "too tired" to cook.

I dig in to the greasy hyperglycemic artery-clogging contraption known by most Americans, and by extension, Monsanto, as "food". Fattening my waste line little by little until my body could take no more.

Having weekly "family budget meetings" with the wife, where I gloss over gross over-expenditures on bullshit out of fear of upsetting the wife if I so as much question how and why the money was being used. Thoughts such as "but it's MY money! I make more than she does!" are instantly squelched by my feminist programming. The times where I do find my balls and speak up only devolve into major battles that leave me emotionally exhausted and defeated.

Instead of initiating sex in bed, I delve myself into a fiction novel to surround myself in an alternate reality in a concentrated effort to get myself out of my homely prison. Only when I break out of this alternate fantasy, my wife floats the idea of her dating other men... maybe it will give our marriage some renewed spark.

But alas, that's the alternate reality without this forum.

Thanks to this forum, I'm living the dream in Asia.

Making money with my own business and trading cryptocurrencies.

Hitting the gym hard with a fellow forum member and getting jacked.

Meeting up with Big Gunners from this forum. Making new buddies and exchanging business ideas. Drinking craft brews with them once a week.

Dating beautiful girls with nary an attitude, having the hottest sex I could ever dream of -- on my own terms, and traveling to exotic places with girl in arm as she wears a sexy top with retro jean shorts.

Doing everything between laying on a beach in paradise and cruising on winding roads through the mountains on a motorbike.

And most importantly, LIVING FREE!

F**k! I knew I was missing someone! I was like, Onto and...what was that other fellow's username? I scrolled through the Philippines thread to try to find you, man, but after a while, I just didn't see you in the sections I scrolled through.

Apologies, but a big thanks to you as well, CleanSlate, you were supposed to be included in my list, man!

I could also have looked in my private messages/emails from the forum, but I usually delete any messages in there promptly, that way in case the forum ever gets hacked any info my buddies shared privately won't get exposed.

Anyhow, my bad, dude!

Post: #16

(10-15-2017 11:09 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Drinking craft brews once a week.

Post: #17

I found the red pill two years before really getting into RVF. I read Married Man Sex Life (MMSL), Alpha Game, Captain Capitalism, Rationale Male and Heartiste since early 2012. I'd read Roosh's regular blog, and drop by here once in a blue moon, but I didn't relate to Roosh's foreign travels. I thought it was cool, but it didn't seem relevant to me.

Finally in mid-2014 I started to lurk here, and got caught up in RVF. To me now, RVF is the core of the manosphere, and I strong identify with the group of men here. However, if RVF never happened, I would have still absorbed the red pill and would be somewhere in the center of tbe manosphere. If Roosh's entire body of work never happened, I think the manosphere and the red pill revolution would still have happened. However, I'm thankful it turned out the way it did.

Post: #18

I'd have dived head first into the nightlife and just disappeared. I'd have done every recreational drug under the sun and fucked any decent looking woman that would have me to fill the hole in my life.

I'd either come out on top more arrogant than ever and live with a death wish until I pissed off the wrong person and ended up in a hole somewhere out in the desert or abandoning myself to hedonism only waking up at 30 bald, fat, and with a fat middle aged stripper in my bed with no foreseeable future.

Hell there might even have been a slim chance I'd be filthy rich doing all of that, but I'd blow it somehow. Temperance is the most important virtue I learned from here.

The other big path being I'd have offed myself from loneliness mainly because I didn't know what I wanted out of life.

This place saved my life more than likely.

Post: #19

I'd still be walking around as an AFC, thinking I was a nice polite gentleman, and wondering why I was getting nowhere fast.

Post: #20

(10-16-2017 12:29 AM)Nordwand Wrote:  I'd still be walking around as an AFC, thinking I was a nice polite gentleman, and wondering why I was getting nowhere fast.

Remember, you just need to be yourself.

A good one will come along.

You just wait. And wait. And wait. And wait...

Post: #21

To play devil's advocate, I would certainly not be as hyper-alert to a woman's scheming/hypergamous ways and would therefore have less stress in that regard.

I guess the flip-side to that is to accept their nature and constantly improve yourself in all areas of life to mitigate the anxiety somewhat.

I'll admit, it's definitely a much better position to be in than being stuck in the all-too-common western relationship where you're henpecked and don't have the self-belief that you can do a lot better.

Post: #22

Before this forum, I was a lone wolf. I had the right attitude, ideas, and lifestyle but I was alone. My friends were real but there was not any deep connection. I was a gun without bullets.

This forum provided me with bullets -- right ideas and methods to spread the red pill knowledge. Thanks to this forum, I have changed the lives of at least 10 men. We are a pack of wolves now. It takes a lot of time to red pill a person but I am a patient person. Encountering this forum is a truly life-changing experience.

We need to spread the knowledge contained in this forum. It has potential to change the course of history. Never hesitate to introduce your friends to this treasure trove.

Post: #23

(10-16-2017 01:35 AM)speculator Wrote:  Before this forum, I was a lone wolf. I had the right attitude, ideas, and lifestyle but I was alone. My friends were real but there was not any deep connection. I was a gun without bullets.

This forum provided me with bullets -- right ideas and methods to spread the red pill knowledge. Thanks to this forum, I have changed the lives of at least 10 men. We are a pack of wolves now. It takes a lot of time to red pill a person but I am a patient person. Encountering this forum is a truly life-changing experience.

We need to spread the knowledge contained in this forum. It has potential to change the course of history. Never hesitate to introduce your friends to this treasure trove.