Post: #1551

Was interesting last night Adam Schefter was saying that Kraft is not even close to the biggest name that they busted.

There aren't many names that are bigger than the billionaire owner of the SB champions but this story could get interested at the least.

Post: #1552

Who could be bigger than Kraft? Bill Clinton? Come on. I will believe that when I see it. Adam is usually never wrong but a high visibility billionaire like Kraft is pretty much it at the top. Only political figures would be potentially bigger.

Post: #1553

Dont think this is the full list, but do any of you recognize these names?

Post: #1554

Yeah Kraft has got to be the biggest. It's a rub and tug joint. Sales clerks, plumbers, maybe a couple of cops.

Post: #1555

Apparently TMZ is in the mix and if they say they have someone still hidden that is bigger and more influential than Mr Kraft you have to take them for thier word. TMZ are professional trolls and will sit on news until it serves them best to get them maximum exposure.

What we see is sports news guys trying to hypothesize who it may be but it transcends thier scope. If it is someone who is more know than a billionaire championship NFL owner then the obvious is that it is a politician. Unless it is a major Wall Street player then nobody else would transcend that level of notoriety.

Some folks worry and speculate it could be Trump as I believe one of his resorts is near by. I don't think it would be Trump as he is an apparent clean freak and I could never imagine him going to a seedy and dumpy massaman spa to get a rub and tub.

Overall, it is pathetic that a rub and tug gets you smeared like that. But, in this case it may be that the operation is what is is dirty more so than the actual deed. Some posters commented on the frivolous nature of "human trafficking" but in this industry it is a real thing.

Here in Toronto strippeds have to get dancing IDs because back in the day EE girls would get lured into Canada and forced into the profession with their passports taken away. Same shit for some of these Chinese girls that get sent over here and forced into rub and tug, and only can leave after they reach a certain level of cash outs to the owner. I don't have anything to say a kit two adults exchanging services with each other but I understand the need to root out the forced and captive girls. Not evrey girl is a willing ho looking to get paid, some girls are in fact forced into it.

Post: #1556

I saw somewhere that the retired president and COO of Citigroup was busted in the same roundup. John Havens is his name. I wouldn't say he's a much bigger catch than Kraft, and of course he's not the current head of Citigroup. Still, he's a prominent person.

Post: #1557

6 Super Bowl rings and 1 prostitution ring.



Seriously, what is a man like Kraft doing at a rub and tug? There are people in every major city with high end - sometimes famous - models in their stable waiting on a call from a man like him. Highest possible quality and utterly discreet.

Post: #1558

(02-23-2019 09:56 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  6 Super Bowl rings and 1 prostitution ring.


Seriously, what is a man like Kraft doing at a rub and tug? There are people in every major city with high end - sometimes famous - models in their stable waiting on a call from a man like him. Highest possible quality and utterly discreet.

Post: #1559

He should have used an alias (like Haystacks Calhoun or something). Also, if I were in his position, I would be rolling there with a fake mustache.

Being famous no longer has the perks it used to. If anything, now you've lost all your anonymity and you're living like an escaped convict.

Post: #1560

The issue is, was he merely a john, or was he more involved in that operation.

Post: #1561

(02-23-2019 08:56 PM)kosko Wrote:  Apparently TMZ is in the mix and if they say they have someone still hidden that is bigger and more influential than Mr Kraft you have to take them for thier word. TMZ are professional trolls and will sit on news until it serves them best to get them maximum exposure.

What we see is sports news guys trying to hypothesize who it may be but it transcends thier scope. If it is someone who is more know than a billionaire championship NFL owner then the obvious is that it is a politician. Unless it is a major Wall Street player then nobody else would transcend that level of notoriety.

Some folks worry and speculate it could be Trump as I believe one of his resorts is near by. I don't think it would be Trump as he is an apparent clean freak and I could never imagine him going to a seedy and dumpy massaman spa to get a rub and tub.

Overall, it is pathetic that a rub and tug gets you smeared like that. But, in this case it may be that the operation is what is is dirty more so than the actual deed. Some posters commented on the frivolous nature of "human trafficking" but in this industry it is a real thing.

Here in Toronto strippeds have to get dancing IDs because back in the day EE girls would get lured into Canada and forced into the profession with their passports taken away. Same shit for some of these Chinese girls that get sent over here and forced into rub and tug, and only can leave after they reach a certain level of cash outs to the owner. I don't have anything to say a kit two adults exchanging services with each other but I understand the need to root out the forced and captive girls. Not evrey girl is a willing ho looking to get paid, some girls are in fact forced into it.

Well, Rick Scott, Rubio, or DeSantis would be a bigger catch than Kraft. Any other politician at that level would be as well. If either 3 got popped, they deserve the backlash. It's just too stupid and tone deaf. Trump himself? Fuck that would be beyond bad. He would end up impeached for sure, removed? Likely. Remember they supposedly have sting video.

Trump already commented on it and Kraft, and seemed to be surprised on Kraft's behalf. I would say he does not seem to be the type, but he was fucking Stormy Daniels.....

By law, he cannot be arrested for such a piddly misdemeanor. He is immune as a standing president. However, he can be easily removed from office via impeachment.

Post: #1562

(02-23-2019 09:56 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  6 Super Bowl rings and 1 prostitution ring.



Seriously, what is a man like Kraft doing at a rub and tug? There are people in every major city with high end - sometimes famous - models in their stable waiting on a call from a man like him. Highest possible quality and utterly discreet.

Maybe he likes FOB looking Chinese or Asian women?

I cannot lie, sometimes I stare at 4-5's in China, that are not worth dating at all only because they just look sooo fucking feminine and act sweet! If they have a cute outfit or sweet looking dress on, it makes it worse. They look nowhere near as cute as my wife, but I still want to smash for whatever reason.

Like Kosko once said, "The dick knows what it likes."

Post: #1563

(02-23-2019 08:56 PM)kosko Wrote:  Same shit for some of these Chinese girls that get sent over here and forced into rub and tug, and only can leave after they reach a certain level of cash outs to the owner.

On that note, it's easy for pussy hat wearers to predictably get pissed off at an old rich white guy participating, especially if he's tied to a divisive sports team half the country loves to hate.

What most of the news seems to be missing though is that the majority of the people busted running the operation were not just fellow Chinese, but Chinese women. The selective pro-woman chants from the usual media suspects are just a little hard to take. Where is the news video showing the perps responsible for selling out the sisterhood?

Why is it that there are two suspects still at large who are likely to flee back to China without getting stopped at passport control? Oh wait, that's right, the US oddly enough has no exit passport control, so we just have to hope the airlines catch them and the guards respond in time. But they can't focus on that and risk drawing attention to pathetically undefended borders. I guess we're supposed to forget the Jeffery Epstein story that broke this week too - try as they might to associate Trump with the Lolita Express. Bob Menendez is awfully quiet right about now though. Hmmm...

They'll just keep the focus on Kraft and hope nobody notices the bigger picture - and yeah, FTR, he's an idiot and deserves what he gets.

As for who the next big fish is, there are probably too many to count. Jupiter FL is full of rich, well connected people with addresses there, permanent and temporary.

Post: #1564

(02-23-2019 08:56 PM)kosko Wrote:  Apparently TMZ is in the mix and if they say they have someone still hidden that is bigger and more influential than Mr Kraft you have to take them for thier word. TMZ are professional trolls and will sit on news until it serves them best to get them maximum exposure.

What we see is sports news guys trying to hypothesize who it may be but it transcends thier scope. If it is someone who is more know than a billionaire championship NFL owner then the obvious is that it is a politician. Unless it is a major Wall Street player then nobody else would transcend that level of notoriety.

Some folks worry and speculate it could be Trump as I believe one of his resorts is near by. I don't think it would be Trump as he is an apparent clean freak and I could never imagine him going to a seedy and dumpy massaman spa to get a rub and tub.

Please, let it be Jared!

Post: #1565

(02-23-2019 09:45 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  Was interesting last night Adam Schefter was saying that Kraft is not even close to the biggest name that they busted.

There aren't many names that are bigger than the billionaire owner of the SB champions but this story could get interested at the least.

Tiger Woods lives in that town.

Post: #1566

Kraft has supposedly hired Jefferey Epstein's lawyer to combat this misdemeanor charge.

Either Kraft is adopting the mindset of "reputation is everything" or this story is about to get a lot worse. His rep is pretty destroyed even if he gets off scot free.

Post: #1567

(02-25-2019 05:57 PM)redonion Wrote:  Kraft has supposedly hired Jefferey Epstein's lawyer to combat this misdemeanor charge.

Either Kraft is adopting the mindset of "reputation is everything" or this story is about to get a lot worse. His rep is pretty destroyed even if he gets off scot free.

Oh come on no it's not. The guy is considered a pioneer to arguably the greatest NFL dynasty ever and is currently one of the more influential owners in the league. Unless this turns into either a Sandusky situation or he was involved in bringing girls to the country illegally for prostitution, not enough people will care about this for it to ruin his legacy if this ends up with him just being a John. Again, male sports fans would have to be retarded to assume that rich owners are not getting action on the side.

Post: #1568

(02-25-2019 05:57 PM)redonion Wrote:  Kraft has supposedly hired Jefferey Epstein's lawyer to combat this misdemeanor charge.

Either Kraft is adopting the mindset of "reputation is everything" or this story is about to get a lot worse. His rep is pretty destroyed even if he gets off scot free.

Would his rep really be destroyed?

Unless the Feminists and SJWs start protesting NFL games and running even a modest Twitter campaign against him for "supporting sex trafficking" then he is definitely fucked. They will try and force him to sell the team.

Post: #1569

Yeah, I totally agree with you yankees. Which is why I am surprised he is planning on fighting this tooth and nail by hiring Epstein's lawyer (who worked with Epstein on underage prostitution case(s)).

It's possible that Kraft thinks it's worth it money-wise and reputation-wise to go all out here and get out of this with no charges. I think the damage has already been done regardless, which is why I was surprised he went with this particular lawyer.

There's another MA billionaire on the list too, which is odd.

Post: #1570

(02-25-2019 06:40 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Would his rep really be destroyed?

Unless the Feminists and SJWs start protesting NFL games and running even a modest Twitter campaign against him for "supporting sex trafficking" then he is definitely fucked. They will try and force him to sell the team.

Poor wording, I guess. I just mean that I think all the damage that could possibly be done to his rep, has already been done. Regardless of if he fights this and wins. If he came out and said "I fucked up, sorry", people would forget about this by next week.

Post: #1571

All that aside fellas. Real talk for a minute.

If you had a billion dollars in wealth. How hard would it be to do what Dan Bilzerian does times 100? Couldn't you fly in as many Asian women from Asia or have your yacht go get them? I don't have that kind of money, but if I did, it would be super fucking easy for me to get 10+ gals and have them constantly on standby down for whatever, whenever.

It's almost like these guys really are average joes in many ways. Their cunning and guile stops short in spots. He is old though and we all know by now that low Test equates to mental fog and poor judgement.

Post: #1572

I the US, aren't indictments involving minor/child victims sealed until some time during or after trial?

Post: #1573

(02-25-2019 06:54 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  All that aside fellas. Real talk for a minute.

If you had a billion dollars in wealth. How hard would it be to do what Dan Bilzerian does times 100? Couldn't you fly in as many Asian women from Asia or have your yacht go get them? I don't have that kind of money, but if I did, it would be super fucking easy for me to get 10+ gals and have them constantly on standby down for whatever, whenever.

To that end, here's Jerry Jones' $250 million yacht.



And here's Arthur Blank's - only $180 million.



Either is a platform for parties Blizerian would envy.

Post: #1574

Yeah, I'd have to say, I'm not that impressed with what Bob Craft or Bezos are pulling... relative to what I do in the admittedly easier playing field of EE or SEA.

Bob Craft literally got cucked -- he bought his girlfriend a house in LA where she lives with her 1 year old baby by another man.

Dan Blizerian is in another category. I'm frequently jealous of what he pulls. He does waaaaay better than these guys. He's a natural with women, he's alpha, he's strong. Dude's already living at close to the max. You just aren't going to pull significantly more or hotter women, visit more interesting places, stay in nicer hotels, etc. etc. than what the guy is doing. You might be able to top him with $1billion, but there is no 100 times better.

Sure, he inherited $100mill. But the appeal to women isn't just his money -- it's day and night between him and Craft. The guy's a natural with women. Dude did go through Navy Seal training, although he f*cked up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAdp0DkORTE

Post: #1575

^ It's well documented that Bilzerian was paying the girls, at least in the beginning.