Post: #1

So, last night I went out for drinks with a 23 yo american girl I met online, that was here on vacation in Norway.
She was super cool and sweet.
We got wasted and ended up in her hotel room, were we had some of the best sex I think I've ever had.
I ate her out, something I would never do on first meetings. I'm glad I did. It was the freshest, cleanest, tastiest pussy.
I'm feeling like getting over there soon. She's from the east coast.

Post: #2

Men in America bitch and moan about the quality of American women- but the fact of the matter is those guys are not putting in the numbers. Let's face it, there's going to be a large segment of women within any race or culture that don't do it for the individual. You have to sort through those to get what you're looking for. It's no different in America. Don't be put off by people saying American girls are bad. But, on the other hand, be prepared to deal with a lot of girls that don't meet the standard this girl set for you.

If you visit the east coast, check Boston out. Great looking women without the attitudes associated NYC or LA.

Post: #3

Good points made. The US definetly has a breed of women that's not really found in such great numbers or at all (Fatasses) anywere else. LA has always come across as being a decadent place to me.

Post: #4

You might find the USA women on vacation in Europe have a much different attitude than the same girls when they are in their home town.

relevant

http://www.theonion.com/multiblogpost/eu...eric-11552

Quote:European Men Are So Much More Romantic Than American Men vs. American Women Studying In Europe Are Unbelievably Easy

European Men Are So Much More Romantic Than American Men


Alyssa Lerner
Junior, Boston University

I just got back from a semester abroad in Europe, and let me tell you, it truly was the most magical, amazing experience of my entire life. The French countryside was like something out of a storybook, the Roman ruins were magnificent, and the men, well, European men are by far the most romantic in the world.

You American men all think you're so suave and sophisticated. Well, think again! European men make you look like the immature, inexperienced little children you are. They really know how to make a woman feel special over there. Unlike the so-called men here in the States, European men know how to treat a woman right.

For one thing, European men aren't afraid to come up and talk to you. And they know how to start slow, with a nice cup of Italian espresso or a long walk on some historic street. They know the places you can't find in any tourist guide. They know the whole history of the cities in which they live—who the fountains are named after, who the statues are.

I remember one unforgettable night in Athens, I sat and listened to a Greek sailor for hours as he told me about the countless men who fought over Helen back in ancient times. Afterward, he told me he loved his homeland even more now that he'd seen it through my eyes. I ask you, would an American man ever say something as deep and beautiful as that?

European men know the most romantic little cafés and bistros and trattorias, candlelit places where you can be alone and drink the most fantastic wine. They tell you what's on the menu and what you should try. (If it wasn't for a certain young man in Milan, I never would have discovered fusilli a spinaci et scampi.) And the whole time, they're looking deep into your eyes, like you're the only woman on the entire planet. What woman could resist a man like that? Then, after a moonlit stroll along the waterfront and a kiss in the doorway of their artist's loft, you find yourself unable to—well, I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

I'll never forget my magical semester abroad. One thing's for sure—I'm ruined for American men forever!

American Women Studying In Europe Are Unbelievably Easy


Giovanni Di Salvi
I'm a 25-year-old carpenter living in Rome, and I don't mind telling you that I get all the action I can handle. I'm not all that handsome or well-dressed, and I'm certainly not rich. In fact, my Italian countrywomen could take me or leave me. But that's just fine, because Rome gets loads of tourist traffic, and American co-eds traveling through Europe are without a doubt the easiest lays in the world.

Being European gives me a hell of an advantage. I'm not sure why, but there's something about the accent that opens a lot of doors. All you have to do is go up to them, act a little shy and say, "Whould hyou like to go with me, Signorina, for a café?" I actually have to thicken up my accent a little, but they never, ever catch on.

After a cheap coffee, which to them always tastes better than anything they've ever had, because they're in Europe, it's time to walk them. Now, all they know about Rome is what they've read in Let's Go, so you can pretty much just make up a whole bunch of shit. It's fun to see how much they'll swallow: As long as I refer to Italy as "my homeland" and other Italians as "my people," they'll believe pretty much anything. I don't know who most of the local statues are, so I tell the muffins they're all great artists and poets and lovers. Once, just for the hell of it, I told a psychology major from the University of Maryland that a public staircase was part of the Spanish Steps, which she'd never even heard of. Another time, I told this blonde from Michigan State that the public library was the Parthenon, and she cooed like I'd just given her a diamond.

For dinner, I usually take them to some cheap little hole in the wall, someplace deserted where not even the cops eat. American girls think candlelight means "romance," not "deteriorating public utilities," so they just poke their nipples through their J. Crew sweaters and never notice that there's no electricity. Just as well, because Roman restaurants aren't exactly the cleanest. After a bunch of fast-talk about the menu, I get them the special, which is usually some anonymous pasta with spinach and day-old shrimp, and whatever cheap, generic, Pope's-blood chianti's at the bottom of the list.

By this time, they're usually standing in a slippery little puddle. Going in for the kill, I walk them past one of Rome's famous 2,000-year-old open cesspools. Then, as we open the door to my shitty efficiency, I kiss them on the eyelids so they don't see the roaches, making sure the first thing they see is the strategically positioned artist's easel I bought at some church sale. That's usually all they need to see and, like clockwork, they fall backwards on my bed with their Birkenstocks in the air.

I mean, they're hardly Italian women, but we have a saying here in Europe: Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

Post: #5

They are the best for me .. the most open minded girls i have seen on earth, So sexual. You can't see that in Europe where girls are conservative and hard to know if you dont have sociale circle with them.

Post: #6

An article written by a Brit living in a mid-western state appeared online about 10 years ago. It said that in the early stages of a relationship, American women were better than British women. This was mostly due to confidence and openness which made it easier to get to know them. It is very difficult to build any sort of rapport with English women - women from the EU often wonder why they have no English women as friends.


The article continued that only when familiarity creeps into the relationship do American women start to exhibit neurotic behaviour that we read about on RVF.

Post: #7

I like yank chicks.
I also like English and Scandinavian..I don't have much issue with English chicks unless they are batshit left wing crazy
I never do well with chubby yanks but with the thin ones I do.
Some of the coolest chicks I've met have been American.
For some reason the Canadian ones rub me the wrong way it must because they are so Aussie like.

Post: #8

Are they really that bad?

Yeah most of them are. They can be decent people when you first meet them or even the first few dates, but once they show their true colors, their neurotic tendencies start to show. And they are not very suitable for long term relationships.

Post: #9

(09-10-2017 05:17 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Are they really that bad?

Yeah most of them are. They can be decent people when you first meet them or even the first few dates, but once they show their true colors, their neurotic tendencies start to show. And they are not very suitable for long term relationships.

Genetics wise I think that American white girls are some the most beautiful in the world - of course if you deduct all the fatties - which in some states are the majority even in prime ages.

I have a friend who married an American girl and she is one of the most saintly ones - but she still has huge hangups against Trump, pro open borders, pro social justice and other crap.

Of course you can find diamonds, but the environment in the US is probably one of the worst ones and it destroys female mentalities terribly:

+ gender ratios terrible
+ high schools and colleges are slut training centers
+ media is feminist non-stop empowerment central

It is a wonder if a sane woman comes out of the system.

There is a joke told in Europe:

Woman: "I am marrying an American man" "Congratulations. You are very lucky."
Man: "I am marrying an American woman" "You are in for a world of pain, buddy. My condolences."

For short-term they can be quite golden and fun though.

Post: #10

The way an American woman on vacation behaves towards a man in a Nordic country while she's on vacation is in no way instructive on how she normally acts.

Post: #11

How different are American from the others in the Anglosphere? I have been to the UK and felt like it's the worst. Are they better or worse than Aussies and Kiwis?

Post: #12

(09-10-2017 06:50 AM)Suits Wrote:  The way an American woman on vacation behaves towards a man in a Nordic country while she's on vacation is in no way instructive on how she normally acts.

Exactly.

No offense but OP bangs one American woman in vacation mode and starts a thread. I had a snl threesome with a small town Aussie girl in Vegas, thinner and hotter than most American girls, great sex and great attitude.

Men in Australia bitch and moan about the quality of Australian women- but the fact of the matter is the fact of the matter is those guys are not putting in the numbers

See how that works?

Post: #13

There are always the outliers and exceptions to the rule.

But generalisations have a way of playing out to be correct.

Anyone that says the average Aussie chick is slim, feminine and pleasant to be around is obviously lacking experience.

Post: #14

American girls in Europe are not the same as American girls you meet in America.

I learned this the hard way when I was cleaning up German girls in the US versus when I got to Germany.

I do better with American girls in Europe as opposed to when I'm at home in NYC.

Post: #15

(09-10-2017 04:08 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  There are always the outliers and exceptions to the rule.

But generalisations have a way of playing out to be correct.

Anyone that says the average Aussie chick is slim, feminine and pleasant to be around is obviously lacking experience.

That was my point.

I was doing what the first two posters did with American women and just substituting with Australian women. Dealing with girls in vacation mode abroad tells you nothing compared to the local dudes who deal with them en masse everyday.

Post: #16

I work at a university hospital in flyover counry. My department is located right next to the pharmacy department. This department has the best looking girls in the hospital.

Every semester, a new crop of college girls is brought in to deliver medication to patients and complete training/class work for their degree. Most of these girls are nice, pleasant, have good heads on their shoulders, long hair, thin. Most guys here would be happy to date them. I'd say the average girl is probably a 6.5 or 7, with maybe a couple of 8s sprinkled in. If these girls are raging sluts, they aren't projecting it for the world to see with their dress/mannerisms. Which is important to me. The appearance of 'classy'

But there's one girl that stands out. She definitely the best looking girl in the department. Petite, and absolutely beautiful. She's a dark-featured Eastern Euro girl with tan skin and long, brown hair. If that's your type, it'd be hard to find a girl who looks as good.

When I first saw her around, but before I got to know her, I knew immediately she wasn't from America.

Why?

She carries herself with a grace that's absent in American girls. There's a certain fluidity and serenity in her movements that isn't so focused on showing off tits and ass, but her entire feminine form. By contrast, the American girls seem to walk very stiffly, with their knees, backs, and necks held very straight.

In terms of culture, especially where I live, most American girls are heavy drinkers. I don't drink alcohol at all, and I find women who drink to be extremely unattractive. The problem in this part of the States is that girls who like you will try and entice you by telling you about some of their crazy drunken exploits, as if they're a good thing.

When I say:

"That's cool. But I don't drink alcohol."

"You don't?"

"No, I never have."

"Oh . . ." said all wide-eyed.

That's usually the last time I hear about how much she likes drinking.

Fact is, I don't want to sit around and watch my girlfriend get drunk twice a week, nor do I want to sit at home on a Friday night while she's out binge drinking with friends. What I like about Asia is that it's not all that uncommon to find girls who don't/rarely drink at all. Or, like in Cambodia for example, women might have a beer or two after dinner with friends, but it's more of a social thing, not the primary focus of the evening.

I think my biggest problem with American women is their tendency to rip dudes apart in public with their snarky, cuntish bullshit. Either at work, or maybe they're out with a boyfriend or something. Straight up laying into their dude for a slight mis-step, calling him out in front of people she doesn't know, or purposely trying to humiliate a guy in front of her friends.

Or when women in customer service roles act disrespectful or abrasive to customers. I can't imagine such a thing happening in Thailand.

Everyone on this forum knows why they're doing this, but that doesn't excuse them.

Since we are speaking generally, I find American women to be more mannish and less pleasant than their counterparts in the developing countries I've visited/lived in. Also, it astounds me that women in Cambodia who probably own like 3 shirts and two pairs of pants, wipe their asses with their hands after shitting on a squat toilet, and are completely illiterate have more dignity that the average American broad.

At this point, I'd say I'm interested in 10-15% of American women. Maybe 25% if we're on a college campus. That number is probably over 50% in China, Cambodia, Thailand, elsewhere.

I will say that adding 15-20 pounds of muscle to your body and learning to harness your masculine energy is a great way to eliminate having to deal with the 'basic' American woman. The won't test you, because they can tell you won't put up with their horseshit. Also, you should have no problem attracting the quality American women who still do exist out there.

Post: #17

"Heaven is having an American salary, a Chinese cook, an English house and a Japanese wife.

Hell is a Chinese salary, a Japanese house, an English cook and an American wife,"

I've always loved this quote and it fits here most perfectly.

Post: #18

The question = American girls, are they really bad?

The answer = In general and compared to a global comparison, yes, they are utterly terrible.

Post: #19

A majority of American women are not worth a LTR. Are there a good minority of American women? Absolutely. That being said, all you have to do is look at their voting patterns and constant whining about feminism and you'll realize that they are just gosh darn awful compared to many of their sisters in Asia, Europe, etc.

Post: #20

Reading this topic prompts me to post part of a comment I saw on a site a while back. I immediately e-mailed the text to myself and have read it every so often; it never seems to waver in its accuracy of describing the vast majority of American chicks and their behavior.

Quote:American women are more like cold mannequins who only decide to become semi-human for men that are worthy according to a list made by Hollywood and friends. Their feminine energy is rationed and the male’s opinion not even a consideration in her actions, all of her actions are justified by the TV, her job or the friends who support her every burp. Even when they are objectively pretty on the exterior they close off their feminine energy, particularly when it comes to the child-bearing variety. As they delay the pretenses of child-bearing they become fascinated with and terrified of any inclination towards casual sex since, much to her chagrin, that becomes her main purpose in the eyes of men. Most American females ascribe to the script that their actual desire should be to acquire the attentions of the most popular males around her with as little sex as possible. This is the implied social script that girls in America adopt that lends to the extreme behaviors and weird contrasts of prudishness and promiscuity in the same girl. The girl is allowed to be promiscuous with certain guys so long as he looks good and has a good family background and is of the right race, all other males are trash to be given the prude treatment as needed. So this leads to the constant denial of male sexual needs, the dismissive nature of the male sexual drive, the hatred of sexual talk, anger at the mention of casual sex, the 80/20 distribution of sex between men and on and on. American girls see themselves as providers of sex and acquirers of status but only from casual sex offers from males who pass her looks threshold. All other males should be extinguished in this status driven psychopathy.


Instead of thinking of their role as bearing children they believe their main role is gaining status, which obviously could go on forever. Because of this the American girl is careful never to give herself fully to any one person since a better man may be just around the corner. Also they learn that who they associate with matters more than that individual’s loyalty and leads to them sharing the same few elite men who frustrate them to no end. They aren’t as terrified of players and disloyal men as reproduction is basically paid for by the govt in the US. Russian women for instance have an eagle eye out for any hint that their man may be cheating on her. Instead American chicks are more terrified of being associated with unattractive men in any shape or form… and also an attractive man who may have any hint of possibly becoming ugly in the future, hence this explains the female’s fear of kinkiness even in mature relationships in the US. So they revere attractive men as gods and unattractive men as vermin. It’s a superficial, dismissive and noxious dichotomy they force on men in the US dating world. Narcissism was originally a male trait based on the knowledge of superiority (its female form is vanity) but when females adopt it they inhabit male characteristics of only focusing on looks and puffing themselves up at every turn. It’s unfeminine, robotic, lacks sweetness, emphasizes greed and puts undue emphasis on lust without the requisite desire to nurse allll men rather than just a few. Call it the picky prostitute syndrome. It’s also usually very random and could change on a moment’s notice by the whim of the female. Some females will even take their love of attractive men and hatred of unattractive men to extreme symbolic levels. These are the females who brag about using unattractive men for free restaurant meals while demonizing their physical attributes but also dramatize their guilt of sleeping with handsome males for free. It’s a strange bragfest that simultaneously paints the men as freaks and confirms herself as a bonafied member of the popular crowd at the same time. It is a perverse form of self congratulation. The American princess uses social media to finally reflect on her deeds as if to mine the Internet for some recognition of accomplishment, as if her entire goal was to be a recognized as a gatekeeper of sex, a filter of class, and a model of genetic superiority. But a double take of her actions seen from a purely behavioral standpoint makes her no better than a pornstar paid in free meals. This is why American men find dating so stiff, unfriendly and punishing. Women deliberately put a chill on the conversation as they consider themselves, as casual sex providers, the most important quantity in the room and want to dictate terms from the start. So as a male if you’re not handsomely enough to star in a potato chip commercial and the American Princess hates sex that night you best keep the conversation to Barney the Dinosaur level knock knock jokes or your doom awaits…

Post: #21

^^^^That's impressive.

Post: #22

Depends on what you're looking for. LTR? yes they're that bad

fun hook ups and short relationships?

they're great!

Post: #23

(09-10-2017 09:23 PM)Rang off the Pipe Wrote:  American women are more like cold mannequins who only decide to become semi-human for men that are worthy according to a list made by Hollywood and friends... as providers of sex and acquirers of status but only from casual sex offers from males who pass her looks threshold. All other males should be extinguished in this status driven psychopathy.

This is a good write up. My summerisation is that if you look around the world women typical make their mate selection choices based on security or status. I've written about this here. In poor and socially conservative societies women select their mates more based on security, as the results of choosing otherwise can often ruin their lives. While in richer more socially liberal countries girls are under the impression they have a lot of options and a lot of time. So many women from my country (UK) around my age (30) still seem to think like they have all the time in the world, but the reality is if they want security they are now left with betas or more alpha men around 40+.

If you are looking for a good woman for marriage in the West, I would look for one who is still selecting a mate based on security, family etc. It would be easier and more pleasurable for them in the present to select by status. I think to select against the grain of society and pleasure in apparent abundance is the sign of a good woman for marriage. If you are from a poor society that selects more based on security, you are doing so because it's your survival mechanism. Women in the West don't choose for survival as they can always fall on the welfare state, feminised males etc. if they make bad decisions. If a woman selects security, family when she doesn't have to, I think, is more likely to be faithful and make other good decisions related to your relationship. Those things are in her makeup and she has some sort of personal philosophy rather than just living in the soup of the implied society. While the woman who don't will be prone to hypergamy, affairs, divorce if you loose your money and so on. In short a woman who can defer gratification in abundance is more likely to think long-term, on the consequences of the potential affair, that her husband's income will fluctuate etc. While those who seek to maximise their short-term pleasure will always do so.

Then if you are just looking for hookups, because Western women tend to think they are in abundance they are prone to select the most pleasurable and desirable mates, regardless or any long term planning that many non-Western woman have to consider or potentially ruin their lives. They don't have to worry about survival. From submerging yourself in the world of PUA, it's clear to see that beyond some base characteristics that aren't that hard to do above average in for most men, women are suckers for social status. As studies have shown Western women are overwhelmingly hypergamous. They want what other women can't have and they want more and more symbols of status. Most men are chasing attractive and there are a considerable number of attractive women (say 5-15% of women), but at the peak of male status (guys who have it all) there are only about 0.1% of men.

If you are in or close to that 0.1% off men, Western women will be your oysters, the further you get from it, they will be more and more terrible and dismissive.

When I was younger I used to speak to a lot of girls online and I always found it was much easier to talk to girls in the US than in the UK. They were much more receptive and more likely to be 7.5+ if they were from the US. It's been suggested to me that this could, in part, be due to me being in the bottom couple of percent of body fat in the US, while a bit less than in the UK. It could also be to do with the accent and novelty. But I also trialed profiles on POF, both in the US and the UK and found I got better reception in the US even though I didn't say I was from the UK. From talking to people on the board I think it's British girls who really are that bad. I've spoken with girls all over the world, in person and online and the maximum lack of interest has definitely bee the UK.

If you want better access to women in the West, beyond the easy things like buying clothes and getting fit, the key is to up your confidence and social circle. Some guys may slip into this fairly naturally, but for those who don't I think it's better to focus on making money and cast your net in the countries where you have good SMV access just for showing up.