Post: #51

Here’s my experience having been in São Paulo and Rio States for over 3 months.

My first time to South America so I’m no expert. Didn’t come for game or women. SP is supposedly the economic Capitol of Latam and its biggest city. I wanted to get to know this region before bouncing around the continent. Rio is Rio, so I also wanted to get a handle on it.

The highlight has been the coast and mountains in between. Neither city is a place to stay longer than I had to be there. They’re OK. But I wouldn’t go back to either city once I’ve done everything.

The cost to benefit ratio is out of balance here. Maybe other parts of Brazil are better? You’ll spend minimum $50/day as tourist. If you rent long term from a local it can be cheaper. Then maybe you won’t feel like you’re making too big a trade off with your time and money.

Still I can’t imagine dealing with either city long term. The weather is far too hot most of the year. There is a general absence of 8+ women who speak English. (English in general is not widely spoken.) Both daygame and nightgame aren’t worthwhile unless you hit the beach, high end clubs, or speak Portuguese.

I’m not blaming Brazilians for not widely speaking a foreign language. It is what it is. In a huge country like the USA people are going to only speak one language too. Learn Portuguese or your results will be mediocre. I’ve hit gold a few times though. So it’s not a complete lost cause for lazy Gringos...

I have had some great experiences with women. Brazilian psychologists seem to love me. I don’t know why I’ve hooked so many here. Maybe it’s an education thing. Maybe they are more used to speaking English everyday? But many spoke almost no English. I should start sharpshooting them, heh.

Single moms. Wayyy to many single moms in SP and Rio. Tells me long term relationships here are failing. Too much like USA. Another red flag against building any kind of a life here in BZ.

Brazil is huge with no railroads. You either fly or take Long distance buses. I moved point to point to point. Lost a lot of potential bangs. Flying hub and spoke is either too expensive or not possible. Your weekend getaways in SP and Rio are limited. There is enough romantic weekend trips for a month. Then it’s redundant travel.

I was in São Paulo a month. I spent half the time in Vila Madalena and two weeks in Jardim Paulista. The cost to get a pad either place convenient for both gaming and sightseeing is too much. $50/night on accommodation. You’re better off doing a hostel and save your dough for other countries or cities.

One thing you can do is look for a maids room. They are small suites with their own bath and often separate entrance. Good option if you just plan on sneaking a few girls over on the weekends, but mainly just doing your own thing sightseeing. Costs maybe $15-20/night.

In Rio I spent two weeks in Flamengo. I’d recommend Botafogo since it’s got a bar scene and a mall. Invite chicks there for after work drinks around 7. It’s right next to the metro. Or do a mall date if it’s bad weather. The view from the food court is awesome. So you can try to get them out early enough for sunset on sugarloaf. You’re still in between Lapa for late night and the beach scene. But much cheaper than Ipanema.

I’ll probably go back and rent in Botafogo. One of my bangs found me a local place to rent for $150/week. When we looked at the place I heard pops. Was it gunfire or firecrackers? There has been tanks on the street in favelas with wild battles raging.

It’s easy to ignore all this. I met plenty of happy backpackers who bounced around Brazil’s top sights with some beach time sprinkled in. Many were coupled or solo party backpackers. They just go after low hanging fruit.

If you want more out of Brazil I think the investment probably isn’t worth it; unless you already happen to speak Portuguese or have a social network here. With that leg up it might be a nut worth cracking.

Not to be negative, but the women are overrated. There is this stereotype of beautiful, sexual women in Brazil. First there is no typical Brazilian woman. The country is mixed and varied. It’s like the USA. You have a range of races, colors, etc. Your average Brazilian probably isn’t going to pass the boner test unless you’re very drunk and just glad to be speaking English, finally.

Their diet is poor and women aren’t exercising enough. Most women I see over age 18 are overweight. Again this is like USA. Most of us complain about the American woman’s poor quality and unfeminine attitude. It’s not much different in Brazil. So...

Top Sampa/Carioca girls aren’t gonna be available to a tourist. You can probably do OK if you consistently game the beach scene or high end nightclub scene. But I’d suggest to save your time and money for other cities. You will have a much better lifestyle and experience. Everyone says the south is better. I think it sounds like hype.

English is not widely spoken enough for effective daygame. Unless you’re just going directly physical. I meet a few women everyday who speak it but they’re no prizes. I’m not gonna follow up texting them. I’ll be gone soon anyway.

No place I went to so far in Brazil would I stick around more than a few weeks or come back to visit again. Usually I just want to get through each place ASAP. Some spots on the coast are nice. I lingered longer than expected: Ilhabela, Ubatuba, Paraty. I didn’t really enjoy Ilha Grande.

In Rio and SP women live far out in the burbs. Some of my bangs are traveling two hours. They work and go to school too. You may need at least a week or more to rendezvous. And again this is for mostly mediocre women in their 30s.

The easiest place to meet other tourists was along the coast in Ilhabela. There was really just one main hostel and one nightlife area. It’s close enough to get girls from São Paulo to go there for a weekend too.

In São Paulo and Rio there’s too many hostels. The girls are spread out all over the place. It’s annoyingly hit or miss. You can meet other tourists on the free walking tours but they’re never better than a 7.

Have I met and dated a few smokeshows? Yes, but they were far and few between. The return on my investment is low.

It was not worth keeping my game on point everyday, getting the single room, sacrificing my mornings hungover instead of sightseeing. I started dressing way down to be comfortable. Think SEA baggy pants comfortable. I just gave up daygame unless it was a Friday-Sunday.

The minimum cost of being in this region is $50+ per day. That’s the cheapest single room, cooking your own food, beers on the street. Why pay more? I’d rather not waste my time and money on mediocre girls. Surrounding countries would offer the same quality at half the cost of living AND less downsides, like crime.

Most tourists are flying into Rio and São Paulo which can be challenging cities unless you speak Portuguese and know people. So I’d advise being open to gaming tourists here. See the sites, do some nightlife, and get out. They’re not especially pretty cities to be walking around in. Crime happens.

A lot of people I met in Rio were looking for a way out. I’ve been in the mountains around petropolis, Teresopolis, Nova Friburgo for a week. Several women I met left Rio City when shit got bad. Moved to the shitty mountain towns to get away.

It’s not hard to get laid in this area of Brazil. Again, the problem is the quality to hassle ratio. You will get laid in say Lapa, but after a few times I felt it wasn’t worth it. Next.

In my 3 months traveling around between SP & RJ I haven’t seen many if any real stunners. I’ve seen a few 8+ on the arm of a guy or sitting at tables eating dinner with a group. If you think she’s an 8+ get closer. Lots of sun exposure here. Or get her naked. Skinny fat from lack of exercise and diet. Oh a pretty face and skinny? Get closer. Shes too young.

I’m over my visa average days now. One nice thing about Brazil. Just pay a fine. I think the max is $250. I know guys who’ve been illegal for years and working. They just wait for amnesties. So if you want to say fuck it all, buy a oneway ticket ticket somewhere, and just stay Brazil seems to be one of the countries you can do it.

One thing I wonder. Had I bothered to renew my visa and get the extra 90 days. Would any leftover days still be available if I want to re-enter? Or would I still have to wait 365 days before coming back even if I only used half the extension?

Post: #52

Travel Museums, you echoed what seems to be the general consensus these days on Brazil these days. Women overrated, expensive, and a lot of crime.

Brazil used to be tops on my list, but I just can't justify the added costs when so many other Lat Am places offer great value.

But I had a question for you. I followed all your Cambodia posts, and the hate seemed justified. Now you're not a fan of Brazil.

So...which countries do you truly like?

Post: #53

In SEA? I like Thailand, Laos, always head into China after. If I were in my 50s I’d love Cambodia. Actually trying to decide where to go this winter. Malaysia? Indo? Vietnam?

I love Japan, but after living in Tokyo and Osaka I’d stick to a tourist circuit because of the cost and weather. Lots of smoking ruins nightlife there too.

I don’t dislike Brazil. I could have had a more pleasant time if I doubled my budget and went to places like Belo Horizonte. Just wasn’t my focus this trip.

I think if you speak Portuguese, and devote the proper time and money to it, Brazil can be good.

Just keep in mind it’s too hot most of the year. If I could do it over I’d start in Rio first in June. Then work my way south as it got warmer. And exit to Uruguay/Argentina or go out through the Pantanal or Iguacu Falls.

Post: #54

(09-30-2017 10:39 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  Needless to say, it was also great for foreigners who came to Brazil on vacation, as they were highly valued by the women and looked up to by the men (current day Brazilian culture of envy and anti-wealth hadn´t yet taken hold and people still aspired to be rich, intelligent and successful, as opposed to looking good on facebook).

So what you have nowadays is this: poor, indebted, and dumbed down people who are envious of "rich foreigners" and white men (ridiculous, I know) and low class women who are hard to lay because of social media.

But the nature looks pretty.

I'd change the bolded part to "perceived" rich foreigners.

The difference between years 2014 and 2015 was vast regarding perception of foreigners. It went downhill in a flash during that period though I'd say locals are currently settling in as the momentum gradually shifts towards a "positive perception" based on my contacts out there.

I really miss Brazil due to finding my own personal "loophole" in going about things.

Wonder what the 2018 election holds for the country

Post: #55

(09-30-2017 04:18 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 10:39 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  Needless to say, it was also great for foreigners who came to Brazil on vacation, as they were highly valued by the women and looked up to by the men (current day Brazilian culture of envy and anti-wealth hadn´t yet taken hold and people still aspired to be rich, intelligent and successful, as opposed to looking good on facebook).

So what you have nowadays is this: poor, indebted, and dumbed down people who are envious of "rich foreigners" and white men (ridiculous, I know) and low class women who are hard to lay because of social media.

But the nature looks pretty.

I'd change the bolded part to "perceived" rich foreigners.

The difference between years 2014 and 2015 was vast regarding perception of foreigners. It went downhill in a flash during that period though I'd say locals are currently settling in as the momentum gradually shifts towards a "positive perception" based on my contacts out there.

I really miss Brazil due to finding my own personal "loophole" in going about things.

Wonder what the 2018 election holds for the country

Yeah, man.

Perhaps that´s the case, but supposing we start doing everything correctly, I´m thinking it´ll take over a decade to recover Brazil´s culture, if we can do it at all (and that´s being optimistic!).

To be honest, I don´t think we´ll ever have something like the Brazil of the 90s.

Want to know how to pick up women in Brazil nowadays?
Forget self improvement and traditional, face to face interactions. Nobody cares if you put effort into improving your physical, intellectual and financial situation.

It´s all about social circle game and online celebrity status now (showing off the things you don´t have to people you don´t care about and pretending to be someone you truly aren´t).

Something tells me it´s become just like the US, or very similar to it.

So, tell me, what´s the point in making all that effort to pick up mediocre, 30 something women?
What´s the point in travelling to a country with a high cost of living and a low cost/benefit relationship if the system is set up like that?

And mind you, this is only the women aspect.

There´s a reason why most of my friends who I consider to be top quality guys (who also have good hearts) are planning to leave.

I really wonder why a high value guy like Quintus Curtius likes Brazil so much and keeps coming back (and to Rio, of all places!).
I´m guessing he´s one of those people who´s so polite he can´t bring himself to say anything pessimistic about anything or anyone.

There´s an interesting study published by the Brazilian central bank about people´s liquid investments.
According to the data, I´m in the top 0,33%.
Great, right?
The problem is I´m not even rich!
My car is nothing to brag about, I don´t live in a baller pad and you can be sure I´m not in the VIP lounge at night.

See where I´m getting at?
Current day Brazil is a façade and people are indebted and living fake lives.

Post: #56

Brazil has become too much like the USA, but perhaps not enough like it.

I saw that exhibit in botafogo mall with R$50 million in cash stashed in suitcases in an apt rented just to hoard it. And that was one mid-high level politician?!

Then you have Rio state taking out a $34 billion dollar loan to pay LAST YEARS wages to bus drivers and cops. Tanks on the streets. A gun stuck in my face. Chubby women.

Yeah let me set up a life here...

Post: #57

(10-01-2017 07:47 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  There´s an interesting study published by the Brazilian central bank about people´s liquid investments.
According to the data, I´m in the top 0,33%.

Could you provide a link to that? I'm interested.

Post: #58

(09-30-2017 01:16 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  In SEA? I like Thailand, Laos, always head into China after. If I were in my 50s I’d love Cambodia. Actually trying to decide where to go this winter. Malaysia? Indo? Vietnam?

Explain?

Post: #59

In Cambodia I’d be chilling with some locals and then a male friend would pimp one of the girls to me for $50. Then rapidly negotiate to $10 thinking my refusal was a form of haggling. Pretty painful to experience over and over again as a solo male traveling around there.

Post: #60

(08-08-2017 12:14 PM)Mr.Carry Wrote:  If you are searching for women, sorry to disappoint but Brazil is shit for this. If you look for food, hikings, good views then yeah, come here.

Our food, IMO, is one of the best in the world.

yeah, have to disagree.
Brazil isn't shit for women.
it actually got some of the most passionate & loose women ever

Post: #61

Brazil has changed a lot in the last decade. Many of these changes (rising crime, unemployment, low wages, obesity, single motherhood, political turmoil, feminism, etc) make it a less pleasant place for your typical RVF man. It effects game too of course. Lastly it forces a lot of good women to leave places like Rio (or GTFO of Brazil altogether).

If you already speak Portuguese or exploit a niche like the beach it can be richly rewarding. Having a social network here would help a lot too.

However there are easier options in SA. If you come here just for game you’re bound to be disappointed. Visiting modern Brazil really requires an ancillary reason besides women. Surfing, food, hiking, culture, history, etc.

If you really ONLY want to game Brazilian women without the hassle book a trip to Miami.

Post: #62

If you're looking exclusively for women, don't go to Rio and São Paulo, unless you don't care about quality. For better quality, go to Porto Alegre, Curitiba or Belo Horizonte.

Post: #63

Yeah but honestly how much better can the south of Brazil possibly be?

Like a few more 8s wandering around?

Im guessing that overall the European gene pool turns the mass of 3-6s more like 4-7s?

I’d still feel it’s overrated, unless you’re there for reasons other than to game.

People say: “that’s where all the beautiful people are”. I’m just guessing it’s probably only slightly better (if at all) than São Paulo which has had MILLIONS of Italian and Japanese immigrants.

Is it a marginal improvement in women or something more? Are you still dealing with all the other negatives from language to crime?

And really is the quality in BH any better? Or is it just that your foreigner SMV is higher because it sees less tourists. I think it’s the latter. So again, the improvement in quality is going to be marginal.

Can you do a bit better in these places? Absolutely. Would I skip the experience of getting to know Rio and SP to spend time there? No.

Post: #64

(10-02-2017 01:05 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Yeah but honestly how much better can the south of Brazil possibly be?

Like a few more 8s wandering around?

Im guessing that overall the European gene pool turns the mass of 3-6s more like 4-7s?

I’d still feel it’s overrated, unless you’re there for reasons other than to game.

People say: “that’s where all the beautiful people are”. I’m just guessing it’s probably only slightly better (if at all) than São Paulo which has had MILLIONS of Italian and Japanese immigrants.

Is it a marginal improvement in women or something more? Are you still dealing with all the other negatives from language to crime?

And really is the quality in BH any better? Or is it just that your foreigner SMV is higher because it sees less tourists. I think it’s the latter. So again, the improvement in quality is going to be marginal.

Can you do a bit better in these places? Absolutely. Would I skip the experience of getting to know Rio and SP to spend time there? No.

It's your prerogative if you don't want to visit Goiânia, POA, Curitiba, or Belo. To assume the quality is not that impressive when you've never actually step foot in those cities is ridiculous. This is especially the case with numerous members on the forum who can attest to the quality having visited or lived in those aforementioned cities too.

Post: #65

That’s what am asking. So how much better is it?

Marginal? Like a different country altogether?

Post: #66

(10-02-2017 01:05 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Yeah but honestly how much better can the south of Brazil possibly be?

Like a few more 8s wandering around?

Im guessing that overall the European gene pool turns the mass of 3-6s more like 4-7s?

I’d still feel it’s overrated, unless you’re there for reasons other than to game.

People say: “that’s where all the beautiful people are”. I’m just guessing it’s probably only slightly better (if at all) than São Paulo which has had MILLIONS of Italian and Japanese immigrants.

Is it a marginal improvement in women or something more? Are you still dealing with all the other negatives from language to crime?

And really is the quality in BH any better? Or is it just that your foreigner SMV is higher because it sees less tourists. I think it’s the latter. So again, the improvement in quality is going to be marginal.

Can you do a bit better in these places? Absolutely. Would I skip the experience of getting to know Rio and SP to spend time there? No.

I live in Curitiba and i can confirm you we have much more quality here than almost all Brazil. Immigration here was much bigger than Italian and japanese. Ukrainian, polish and german represent a huge part of Curitiba's ethnicity. If you go to the right places, expect to see lots of 8's and 9's. People are colder here comparing to other parts of brazil, but the gringo factor will help a lot since there aren't many of them.

Post: #67

Thanks!

Post: #68

(10-02-2017 01:26 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  That’s what am asking. So how much better is it?

Marginal? Like a different country altogether?

Quality is damn solid, but English levels are even lower in the aforementioned Tier 2 cities. The "cliquish" factor is also higher too.

Portuguese and social circle are key.

(10-02-2017 01:26 PM)jooaocaetano Wrote:  I live in Curitiba and i can confirm you we have much more quality here than almost all Brazil. Immigration here was much bigger than Italian and japanese. Ukrainian, polish and german represent a huge part of Curitiba's ethnicity. If you go to the right places, expect to see lots of 8's and 9's. People are colder here comparing to other parts of brazil, but the gringo factor will help a lot since there aren't many of them.

I lived in Curitiba for almost a year and can honestly say the "gringo" factor alone doesn't help.

I felt that I did well there, but my results increased exponentially more during my last months when saying "sou da Asia" instead of "sou dos EUA." It's not an outright lie because I did spend my youth in Asia but did my Portuguese studies in the US before finishing up in CWB.

If saying you're from the US, you'll get condescending remarks from locals about "why are you here?" I also met many younger females who wanted to practice their English with me via Whatsapp but getting that meetup never happened. I also lost out on many females who were very interested in me at first only to immediately blow me off when finding out my "western" nationality.

Post: #69

Why do they dislike Americans but like Asians? We can’t have worked them over that hard with pump and dumps...Yet.

Its so weird an opposite to USA demographics.
-Hotter girls in the south.
-Ugly fat girls in tier 1 cities.
-Hot girls in tier twos.
-Asian good. White boy bad.

Coriolis Effect?
I’ll take solace in knowing American white boys will be at a premium in 2-3 generations cause of ur browning. I just need to wait it out.

Post: #70

(10-02-2017 02:01 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Why do they dislike Americans but like Asians?

They don't dislike Americans. Keep in mind the Brazilian economy started crashing towards the end of 2014 so the resent against westernized "1st world" countries grew as a result. Don't ask me why but that's why it experienced.

You also have to realize that local men who might not always have their way with the ladies will just automatically assume it's a total DHV to proclaim one is "American" can be very short-sighted as well.

There's are many good looking local dudes from well off families who understand the slang, how to touch the emotional buttons, and can relate to the cultural tendencies of their own women. With social circles & reputations at stake, many local women do not want to be seen "putting out" with westernized dudes from "1st world countries" due to insecurities about coming off as easy to foreigners.

Being an Asian foreigner doesn't mean you're automatically getting laid by all means. There's a subtle stigma against Chinese shopkeepers and street vendors as girls made fun of my Chinese businessman colleague (who is rich AF btw) for stereotyping him as the prior. You still need language abilities, style, and personality to make it happen.

The whole play of saying "I'm from Asia" had a lot to do with local women (& men) thinking I was more vested in business ventures & Brazilian culture for the "long haul" opposed to being perceived as a westernized dude looking for easy Brazilian pussy.

I didn't make these rules up, but that's just my perception based on what I experienced first hand down there.

Post: #71

I mentioned this experience in the IG game thread. Even ONS in Lapa were on guard (like in that scenario it actually matters how long or why you’re in Brazil). Refused to believe my story. Scanned hundreds of my photos. One girl made me leave the club ahead of her so no one would know. I haven’t gotten that since being in Japan. It’s like they have FACE here...

I guess maybe there is a bigger issue in BRIC countries now. It was party time as the current Gen Y hotties grew up thinking they joined the Americans club. Then all of a sudden it was pulled out from underneath (by their own politics). And they’re resentful?

Post: #72

(10-02-2017 02:25 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  I mentioned this experience in the IG game thread. Even ONS in Lapa were on guard (like in that scenario it actually matters how long or why you’re in Brazil). Refused to believe my story. Scanned hundreds of my photos. One girl made me leave the club ahead of her so no one would know. I haven’t gotten that since being in Japan. It’s like they have FACE here...

It's not just Brazil but places around Latin America, SE Asia, etc. The "best girls" in any of those places require social circle, a dedicated understanding of their culture, etc etc.

(10-02-2017 02:25 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  I guess maybe there is a bigger issue in BRIC countries now. It was party time as the current Gen Y hotties grew up thinking they joined the Americans club. Then all of a sudden it was pulled out from underneath (by their own politics). And they’re resentful?

If I were in their shoes, I'd be resentful as well (maybe not against foreigners). Many people in the US are resentful against their own govt too. It's natural.

Post: #73

I’ve pushed myself to get around to see everything in the SP/RJ area instead of bouncing around like a tourist on holiday. I will say a few of my bangs have expressed their admiration once they understood what I was trying to do. I wish the younger girls could see that without running diabolical IG celebrity game.

From what I now understand about Brazil and you’re saying it seems some stereotypes are true (crime and corruption) while others have changed.

For instance the stereotype of Brazilian woman as confident and sexually liberated has changed. They’re actually somewhat self-hating and worried about other people thinking they’re slutty?

It’s sad to think that with all problems there facing Brazilians can’t even enjoy getting off. I’m here to help. They need to watch some Jerry Maguire. I’m trying to be an ambASSador of Quam. Help me help you!

Here’s another myth busted. Samba is not sexy. It’s entertaining to watch. By dancing to it is a total cockblock.

I’ve been making out in clubs when the Samba act comes in for a set. It’s a total mood killer and drags on and on. The girls are all happy like I know this song from childhood.

By the time it’s over you’re left back at square one. Even minus game due to the awkwardness of having already gotten physical and now the mood is totally not seductive. Hip hop comes back on and it feels like another hour to get the mojo back.

I guess I never really thought about this before, just kinda associated Samba with skimpy Carnival outfits and “Brazil Sexy”. It’s not really.

Post: #74

(10-02-2017 04:35 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  From what I now understand about Brazil and you’re saying it seems some stereotypes are true (crime and corruption) while others have changed.

For instance the stereotype of Brazilian woman as confident and sexually liberated has changed. They’re actually somewhat self-hating and worried about other people thinking they’re slutty?

^ Your biggest issue is seeing everything as "absolutes" while not being able to read in between the lines. It's quite aspie really.

Members on the forum are actually trying to help you, but it's always an aspie response of "please explain life to me" opposed to evolving as a result of your experiences & influences.

Post: #75

A lot of users seem to have trouble “reading between the lines” or “reading what’s actually written”. Especially when it’s a cheeky or disagrees with their experience.

As I’ve said before Brazil is a big country and its hard to talk about it in general. But you are the one saying there is resentment against the federal govt or westerners. And I’m trying to figure out why?