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How to deal with academic dishonesty?
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
Make him pay you if you decide to give him the answers. Don't listen to any BS about a job recommendation. Could be legit, but most likely isn't. Cash is always legit.
05-11-2017 09:38 AM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
Remember how you could put in math equations into your TI-82 calculator? Laugh I used to do that shit all the time.

Do kids these days even need those graphing calculators?
05-11-2017 10:15 AM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
(05-11-2017 05:13 AM)RawGod Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 04:11 AM)El_Gostro Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 02:49 AM)RawGod Wrote:  If there's one thing I've learned from RVF it's this: never trust a Belgian. Seriously, screw those guys with their pommes frites and their waffles.

I dunno,man. They have some mighty fine beer...

Fair enough, I take it back. Trappist beer makes up for a lot.

And mussels. In wine and cream sauce Blush
05-11-2017 12:46 PM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
My ex fling hung out with members of another international Asian student group also notorious for cheating (not Chinese). OP, when I read this thread after reading your description of the guy I immediately thought:

If you give him the questions, he's going to share the questions with every other member of his group and also with all of the chicks he thinks are hot enough to bang.

If you're uncomfortable with this and I would be uncomfortable taking risks so a dude can create social currency for himself, then you shouldn't.

That said, responsible professors ought to change their exam questions every year and make prior exams available to the students.
05-11-2017 01:56 PM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
(05-11-2017 02:49 AM)RawGod Wrote:  If there's one thing I've learned from RVF it's this: never trust a Belgian. Seriously, screw those guys with their pommes frites and their waffles.

I'm sitting in a Belgian restaurant eating pomme frites right now. You're right! These people are sketchy as hell. Almost as bad as Minnesota Lutherans

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05-11-2017 02:09 PM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
On a more serious note, I consider previous tests a legit study material. Normally, the professors in my highly ranked engineering program would write new tests each semester, and hand out old tests as study material. The older tests were widely available anyway. My friends and I would drill on these problems, and on some of the tougher homework problems from the book, until we could crank out the answers with no delay. This is my recommended study method for any current students.

It's well known that previous tests are available. The OP should be using these himself for every test. The professors have to make new tests everytime. The lazy fucks. It's what they're paid to do.

Just in case its not clear, I'm completely serious and this is 100% legit. Don't know why everyone else hasn't said the same thing.

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05-11-2017 02:16 PM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
If the teachers don't change the test everytime, then they deserve to be fired.
I'm not Mr. Goodytwoshoes myself, I have cheated in academic situations, but at least I had the dignity to prepare my own cheat sheets.

BTW, OP, what is the subject of the test?
05-11-2017 04:53 PM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
(05-11-2017 04:53 PM)Splord Wrote:  If the teachers don't change the test everytime, then they deserve to be fired.
I'm not Mr. Goodytwoshoes myself, I have cheated in academic situations, but at least I had the dignity to prepare my own cheat sheets.

BTW, OP, what is the subject of the test?

It's an operating systems class. The format of the class is that you get a couple papers to read each week plus a project (writing a thread scheduler in C although the instructions basically walk you through it). The tests are 100% of your grade though and they're just short answer questions on the readings and project.

He lets you type the answers on a laptop and email them during the test and its on the honor system for you not to furtively google the answers. So realistically the only need to crib answers would be if you didn't bother to do the classwork at all and you're so out of your element that you can't even google your way to good answers in the time given.

Given this guy's apparent laziness and stupidity in the group we're in together I wouldn't put it past him to not have done the project. And he'd most likely direct copy my answers (potentially even if they don't match the questions, I only have my answers, not a copy of the test itself). Which would be an unacceptable risk to me since the professor himself has a copy of my answers he can easily compare if he notices.

The actual outcome of the situation wasn't all that exciting. When he first asked me for the answers I just sent him a short email with some general pointers towards what to study (nothing that he couldn't have gotten by asking the prof the right questions). Then when he wanted to meet up to "study", which I assume was a last ditch attempt to get a look at my answers, I just evaded. I don't intend to turn him in unless he really pisses me off with something else (like bugging me for the final answers excessively), since frankly I'm not vindictive enough to send someone through an academic kangaroo court.

The reason I posted in the first place was that I was curious how people would react to the situation. And the range of responses was actually quite interesting. For example, my mother was fixated on the risk that this guy would somehow turn it back on me if I turned him in, basically that taking a moral stance wasn't worth even the most remote potential threat to oneself. Other folks just recommended doing nothing on the grounds that it wasn't worth the hassle I'd incur in the process.

One friend of mine actually came up with a clever solution that would leave me anonymous and fuck the cheater in the ass totally: Supply him with a set of fake answers and then email that same set of fake answers to the professor anonymously. Of course writing fake answers would involve spending effort, so like I said not worthwhile unless I was more vindictive.
05-11-2017 05:24 PM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
Considering that he didn't contribute to your mutual project, let him drown. You might lose what he has to offer (if he really intended to give it in the first place) but you win in dignity and honesty.
05-11-2017 06:17 PM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
Just for fun, you could tell him that you wont give him what he wants unless he blows you.

Either it's going to go one of two ways. He refuses and that's that.

Or he concedes, at which point you tell him "you disgust me, you degenerate", and you can be sure he's not EVER going to mention what happened to anyone else.

Either way he's off your back. Laugh
05-11-2017 07:04 PM
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RE: How to deal with academic dishonesty?
I'd probably just give the guy the answers. Then he owes you one! Maybe you'll get a new friend,maybe a new job - you never know. You really have nothing to lose. When I was in college,this awkward dude hooked me up with test answers and you know what...I invited him to every party I went to myself...and helped him to hook up with a girl! Over a decade now I don't even remember what that class was about,but I remember the guy and if I met him today I'd treat him to some Belgian beer! I don't about Chinese though..
05-11-2017 07:13 PM
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