Post: #51

A lot of good advice here already.

And it's fundamentally impossible to know why things don't go our way sometimes, despite what seem like obvious explanations.

But from the info given it seems like you didn't show enough genuine curiosity in the girl ("curiosity is the greatest aphrodisiac" - Zan Perrion), which means you didn't create enough comfort and intimacy.

So in crude pickup terms you had attraction, but you fumbled comfort.

Touching builds comfort, yes, but it's more than that...it's showing a real interest in a woman, making her feel seen and heard, and sexy at the same time.

I'm impressed at your open mindedness for taking advice, it's never fun to hear that you fucked up and everybody's telling you all the ways in which you did it haha

It mostly seems like a mindset issue based on your thread title.

I understand not putting up with bad behavior and time wasting behavior, and respecting your own boundaries around that indeed makes you feel powerful because you know you're being true to yourself which is a wellspring of masculine power.

But in this case you confused what seemed like excess coyness on her part with your own inability to smoothly negotiate the transition into an intimate scenario.

It's all good, this is how you learn, and as you said, you have plenty of opportunities.

Be a lot more patient, a little more curious, and lead a bit more elegantly by offering plausible deniability and legitimate sounding reasons to bring a girl home.

Good on you for sharing.

We learn more from failure than from success.

Post: #52

I'll admit I didn't read any of the posts but I will say that I [probably] did something similar and, yeah, it was empowering as fuck!

31 y/o washed up bitch never married, no kids, has a dog and cat, treats them like children. 6/10 totally overvalues her pussy (hence why she's unmarried) and throwing shit tests at me left and right, pissed off that I don't have a magical date idea (I'm over at her place, second time I'm over there). Balls are drained because I fucked someone else that morning, so no aggression to counter or go in with. Eventually I just said, "hey I'm gonna go outside for a sec." Straight up left. Never texted her or heard from her again.

Granted this was easy because I had options. But honestly if all of us men, even if we didn't have options, stopped putting up with this shit collectively, the world would be a much better place. We can do this guys!

Post: #53

(04-14-2017 10:18 PM)kamoz Wrote:  I'll admit I didn't read any of the posts but I will say that I [probably] did something similar and, yeah, it was empowering as fuck!

31 y/o washed up bitch never married, no kids, has a dog and cat, treats them like children. 6/10 totally overvalues her pussy (hence why she's unmarried) and throwing shit tests at me left and right, pissed off that I don't have a magical date idea (I'm over at her place, second time I'm over there). Balls are drained because I fucked someone else that morning, so no aggression to counter or go in with. Eventually I just said, "hey I'm gonna go outside for a sec." Straight up left. Never texted her or heard from her again.

Granted this was easy because I had options. But honestly if all of us men, even if we didn't have options, stopped putting up with this shit collectively, the world would be a much better place. We can do this guys!

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/08/...e-bracket/

Mate - 31 is probably one of the most difficult age brackets to fuck. You have to fight like a lion for sub-par well-ridden pussy.

My experiences match the rundown by Heartiste.

OP's example is different though.

Yours is similar, you had access to other and better pussy and this one was tedious. On the other hand she was just being what most women are when single and at that age. The very same broad would be ready to go and all smiles and giggles at age 19.

Post: #54

Zelcorpion hitting the nail on the head once again with his resourcefulness.

Quote from the article:

"...you get a venom-spitting malevolent demoness on guard against anything she might perceive as less than total subjugation to her craving for incessant flattery and princess pedestaling."

I could not have described it more perfectly.

Post: #55

God, this thread is good.

Plenty of great contributions, but special kudos to kaotic, PapayaTapper, General Stalin, and Zelcorpion.

I think some people, however, have ragged on OP too much. I get the feeling, whatever mistakes he made, that his disposition with the girl wasn't as bad as some have said. I think his attitude hardened post-encounter and to a degree he probably ruminated over her refusal too much. From all accounts, the girl was courting him to correct his approach, which isn't consistent with the "bitter man" portrayal of OP going on here.

I say we cut him some slack, applaud the counsel of kaotic and others to help him stop spitting SOME bad game (a lot seems to be working for him), and see how he comes back with both this girl and others.

What PapayaTapper said is particularly important for a lot of guys. See these girls as "victims" of their conditioning and/or society, at least partially, and you start to see patterns that you can either move around or exploit. 10/10 for that one.

Zelcorpion raises a really good point about legitimate reasons for a girl to be cautious - like having her period and needing to shave. I can recall a few times where I was a millimeter from just walking away, only to find that a girl had a massive case of overgrown pubic bush or merely had her period. We can't know everything, but oftentimes our instincts are wrong. And if you run proper comfort game, you can either get the bang that same meeting or defer it by a day or so.

I like to see female behavior as a funnel... they can try and jump out of the vessel, but it's much easier for them to make choices that are largely already prepared for them, or at least heavily condoned afterwards.

Post: #56

You can't push a girl into sex, which is what you tried to do.

If you want to get laid, don't say "okay you're going to my place" which is what you indicated you said. This is too blunt and overt.

With women, it's all in how you say it. All in how you act. The goal is always to get laid but you must take the correct (seductive) path to get there.

A much better and more effective way to invite her to your place - "I've got an idea, I've got a new wine at my place. we can go have some wine and listen to my epic playlist" (or your variation of bait )

It's less overt and gives the girl plausible deniability.

Your statement was basically 'time to go to my place and fuck'

When you invite them for wine, surely they know sex is still on the table, but the wording of it is much more appealing and will get much more positive results than a straight up invitation for sex. A girl doesn't want to feel like a fuck toy even if she has a slutty past. It sounds like you propositioned her too blatantly. She was thinking "I'm not this guy's slut"

Most women (except extreme cases) have to be finessed into bed. That's why it's called seduction.

I don't know what I'd call your approach, but it was not seduction.

If she says no to your 'finesse' invitation, you've got to show it's no big deal. You've got to be that way if you want the chance in the future. She's always watching your reaction.

After you invited her back and she said no (especially two times), you should've acted cool and just ended the date in a non-butthurt light hearted fashion. "Ok that's fine. I've got work tomorrow myself, let me walk you back to your car"

Maybe walk her to her car, but definitely end the date on a high note.

Go for light kiss close. Text her in a few days and go for the next date.

I know all of this is easier said than done, especially when you have blue balls, but it's the way it is.

It sounds like you made this girl feel like a fuck toy and that's all you were interested in. Women don't want to appear 'easy' even if they have been in the past with other guys.

Continue on this path with your dates and you're going to be rejected most of the time.

Post: #57

(04-15-2017 04:08 PM)robreke Wrote:  You can't push a girl into sex, which is what you tried to do.

If you want to get laid, don't say "okay you're going to my place" which is what you indicated you said. This is too blunt and overt.

With women, it's all in how you say it. All in how you act. The goal is always to get laid but you must take the correct (seductive) path to get there.

A much better and more effective way to invite her to your place - "I've got an idea, I've got a new wine at my place. we can go have some wine and listen to my epic playlist" (or your variation of bait )

It's less overt and gives the girl plausible deniability.

Your statement was basically 'time to go to my place and fuck'

When you invite them for wine, surely they know sex is still on the table, but the wording of it is much more appealing and will get much more positive results than a straight up invitation for sex. A girl doesn't want to feel like a fuck toy even if she has a slutty past. It sounds like you propositioned her too blatantly. She was thinking "I'm not this guy's slut"

Most women (except extreme cases) have to be finessed into bed. That's why it's called seduction.

I don't know what I'd call your approach, but it was not seduction.

If she says no to your 'finesse' invitation, you've got to show it's no big deal. You've got to be that way if you want the chance in the future. She's always watching your reaction.

After you invited her back and she said no (especially two times), you should've acted cool and just ended the date in a non-butthurt light hearted fashion. "Ok that's fine. I've got work tomorrow myself, let me walk you back to your car"

Maybe walk her to her car, but definitely end the date on a high note.

Go for light kiss close. Text her in a few days and go for the next date.

I know all of this is easier said than done, especially when you have blue balls, but it's the way it is.

It sounds like you made this girl feel like a fuck toy and that's all you were interested in. Women don't want to appear 'easy' even if they have been in the past with other guys.

Continue on this path with your dates and you're going to be rejected most of the time.

yes 100% agree and was finally able to bang this girl a few days ago. She is also coming over tonight after work to spend night.

I have corrected my attitude and made adjustments to not come off thirsty. Even bagged a hot russian girl who I cold approached on friday and banged sat night after following the advice here.

A lot people have really helped me here to calm down and just chill which has resulted in good outcomes with pussy.

Forever grateful.

Post: #58

Just popped into the first page of thread and was impressed. Kaotic was spot on.

You lead gently, not aggressively ( until they show they're ready). General gameplan is meetup somewhere casual like coffee or ice cream, steer the conversation to be about her, then venue shift to another location subtly in the exact way Kaotic suggested.....e.g. if she likes a pet "lets go introduce you to him!"(note it is NOT a question, its an assumption she wants to).

Post: #59

Ive been watching this and chewing on a response. I'm not sure how this is going to go over, but I'm thinking this way. The whole point of RoK, of Roosh's work, and of this forum of brethren is to help us be the best MEN we can be. We are all at different places in our lives and all hold slightly differing opinions about what it means to be alpha and what red-pill life is all about.
It strikes me and I would advise you to consider OP, that this life is about far more than getting the notch. It is about developing as a gentleman--an alpha gentlemen to be sure, but still a gentleman. What you did here, and how you treated the girl does not reflect that.
We are able to do better because we are able to BE better.. that what RoK seems to be about.

Post: #60

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