Post: #26

(03-02-2017 10:23 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 07:17 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  She didn't even deny it. Wow... what a cunt.

I was thinking that too, fucking shameless.

It's impossible to say that without knowing the greater context of their interactions.

The fact that she noticed the deletion and contacted him about it makes me think she was somewhat invested in him.

Vaun - was she treating you like an emotional tampon (all about her) or simply engaging in feeling you out (back and forth, talking about life, goals, beliefs etc), particularly given the social awkwardness of the younger set nowadays? Had the interaction turned sexual, with exchange of pics, etc? Was she talking about sex, but not ready to commit? There's so many potential possibilities at play here without us writing her off as a 'cunt'.

Remember, there's a change in the air coming as many women are waking up to the reality of what their older sisters got from third wave feminism and sex-positive promiscuity. Game will have to adapt.

Post: #27

(03-02-2017 10:21 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  OP: Don't ever give her a direct answer to a question like that. The fun for her in the game is obsessing over the reason for the deletion. Let her hamster away, and gossip with her friends, where she gets to be the centre of attention whilst they all try to analyse previous conversations and guess at what went wrong, then she'll either come back and try harder, or move on. You're not losing out on anything by letting her wait for an answer, if you've already reached the 'cut all contact' stage, which she can read as you being butthurt.

Yeah I am always afraid of looking butthurt. I dont really care at this point. I think there is a whole psychology around modern attention whoring waiting to being explored. I think this is the next stage of game. I think game will evolve into leveraging the attention whoring phenomenon in social media. New game theory around "average girl" social media attention whoring will take shape. Or new game theory/techniques that work as a result of the inherent narcism they have developed from the armies of orbital men. Its more like 'how to game a narcissist' now. Gaming these girls could get really fun.

Post: #28

(03-02-2017 10:42 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:23 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 07:17 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  She didn't even deny it. Wow... what a cunt.

I was thinking that too, fucking shameless.

It's impossible to say that without knowing the greater context of their interactions.

The fact that she noticed the deletion and contacted him about it makes me think she was somewhat invested in him.

Vaun - was she treating you like an emotional tampon (all about her) or simply engaging in feeling you out (back and forth, talking about life, goals, beliefs etc), particularly given the social awkwardness of the younger set nowadays? Had the interaction turned sexual, with exchange of pics, etc? Was she talking about sex, but not ready to commit? There's so many potential possibilities at play here without us writing her off as a 'cunt'.

Remember, there's a change in the air coming as many women are waking up to the reality of what their older sisters got from third wave feminism and sex-positive promiscuity. Game will have to adapt.

It was flirty and sexual. No emotional stuff. Shes late 20's, successful, very hot, very American. I am an older guy so none of the shoegazing millennial emo weirdness. I was trying to get in her pants the whole time and it was apparent. Maybe I wasnt aggro enough.

Post: #29

(03-02-2017 10:22 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 08:20 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 08:13 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Newb question. I've never used Snap(chat). Vaun, how do you use it to pull chicks? Also, i thought it was for young people - teens and early 20s.

I love it. If I am using online I usually connect with a girl on Tinder, then ask for her Snapchat. Its a good way to show SMV and social proof. You will get random nudes from the girls you match with. I never send nudes, ever. I dont ask or anything. I let them ask, but I dont go sexual because its obvious. If she wants to see it she will ask. I let them feel comfortable sending DM's with light reactions. For your plates its a fun way to stay in touch and stay flirty. Except when they start keeping tabs on you with it. It helps with girls you meet in other cities and you want to stay flirty with and keep them on a line.

I'm a complete newb. What's the etiquette on Snapchat if any? Am I supposed to basically take selfies and send them to chicks at different points throughout the day? Can I just create an account and not send anything at all but receive their pictures? Can i send my old pictures? How does it work?

Its unlike any other social network. You have to get on and start using it. Its like a live Instagram, but your posts go away in 24hrs. Just documenting your day with pics and video. Personally I think its fun, but I think Facebook/IG will eat their lunch.

Post: #30

(03-02-2017 10:48 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:21 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  OP: Don't ever give her a direct answer to a question like that. The fun for her in the game is obsessing over the reason for the deletion. Let her hamster away, and gossip with her friends, where she gets to be the centre of attention whilst they all try to analyse previous conversations and guess at what went wrong, then she'll either come back and try harder, or move on. You're not losing out on anything by letting her wait for an answer, if you've already reached the 'cut all contact' stage, which she can read as you being butthurt.

Its more like 'how to game a narcissist' now. Gaming these girls could get really fun.

Sage advice from Bosch as always.
The fact that she even noticed means that she had a modicum of interest in you.

I'd just have sent the poop emoji in your place.

Also, gaming a narcissist is pretty easy. Build their ego up, then take away attention and watch it crash down. Its easy, if sometimes cruel, to string them along. Harder to game someone who is apathetic towards your behavior. You're right, it can be fun. As always, the person who cares least in a relationship has more power. This non-caring attitude needn't always be expressed through aloofness, but through trolling her and showing how you really don't give a shit. Too often there's the temptation to explain shit to birds, and while it boosts your ego for a bit, they deflect that almost instinctively. Show through actions rather than explain.

Post: #31

(03-02-2017 10:52 PM)Vaun Wrote:  It was flirty and sexual. No emotional stuff. Shes late 20's, successful, very hot, very American. I am an older guy so none of the shoegazing millennial emo weirdness. I was trying to get in her pants the whole time and it was apparent. Maybe I wasnt aggro enough.

Ah yeah, better context now.

Late 20s? How close was the wall? It's possible she's starting to go into 'lockdown' mode and playing a bit harder to get, or all this flirting was hinting at a SA deal.

If the age gap was large, say 15-20 years, it's possible she was after 'Daddy', where you're more direct and forceful and experienced enough to know where to take her for a good time. The difference here is her fantasy of being seduced by wisdom and experience, especially if she'd had attention from useless men her own age. I prefer to say "We're going out..." and "X is a great place, be sure to dress up" rather than ask her if and where she wants to meet, because most women have a hard time making a firm decision on anything, though I'm pleased when they volunteer a good location.

Still, I can only guess if the attraction was strong for her or not. If you get into this situation again with a younger woman, I tend to play up the age difference to steer it to physical rather than online contact after a couple of texting sessions. Something like: "I don't always have my phone handy - it's not attached to my hand the way it is for you younger kids, and I'm a damn busy fella. It'd be more fun to continue this in person, so hit me up when you're ready to go out and I'll schedule some time."

If you're going to cut her off anyway, it doesn't matter if she never does message because all she wanted from you was attention, but you also don't look like you're butthurt due to her refusal to meet during the last couple of sessions. If she's interested, she'll chase. Your masculinity power is your non-reactivity to your Id being frustrated by her behaviour.

No point burning bridges, mate. Women are incredibly-flighty by nature, and their moods and decisions can change in the space of seconds.

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Just on non-reactivity: I was talking to my mate Bill about how girls have a tendency towards passive-aggression to get their way, particularly when they're fishing to find out how you feel about them. I mentioned I sometimes mirror it back at them to piss them off, and he said "I just say 'Don't spoil it.'"

"It?"

"Whatever moment we're in, that's what they're spoiling. Seems to work."

So, last night I went out with this girl with the stated understanding at the beginning that I'm passing through town for the night, and was highly-unlikely to ever be out this way again.

Later, we're having drinks and she started in with trying to make something more of this via... sigh... passive-aggression. "...I know you probably do this with lots of girls..."

I shook my head slightly, looking her in the eye. "Don't." Not angry, or cross in tone. Just firm and direct. Fatherly-patient: I know what you're doing little girl, behave yourself.

She stopped, then swerved onto another topic.

I meant to say, "Don't spoil it," but that was all that came out.

It was a damn good night after that. Weird to think it only took one word. I'll try it out again if that starts and see if it is as powerful on different women.

Post: #32

At least she understood, OP. It's the little things with subpar women in 2017.

Post: #33

(03-03-2017 01:25 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  No point burning bridges, mate.

You had me until this. Burn that bridge. Fuck her dumb shit. I'm 100% behind the OP. Get her out of your life.

Post: #34

Good move.

Post: #35

(03-02-2017 05:33 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  I only wish more men would act accordingly.

No.

If every man were a real man then I would no longer be the man.

Post: #36

(03-02-2017 08:20 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 08:13 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Newb question. I've never used Snap(chat). Vaun, how do you use it to pull chicks? Also, i thought it was for young people - teens and early 20s.

I love it. If I am using online I usually connect with a girl on Tinder, then ask for her Snapchat. Its a good way to show SMV and social proof. You will get random nudes from the girls you match with. I never send nudes, ever. I dont ask or anything. I let them ask, but I dont go sexual because its obvious. If she wants to see it she will ask. I let them feel comfortable sending DM's with light reactions. For your plates its a fun way to stay in touch and stay flirty. Except when they start keeping tabs on you with it. It helps with girls you meet in other cities and you want to stay flirty with and keep them on a line.

It's also good for maintaining "contact" with you harem efficiently. You can send the same snap to multiple girls and they all think it's just for them.
You send a few snaps and for girls, it counts as attention and they feel satisfied with that.
But as you mentioned, don't let them use it for keeping tabs on you i.e. don't get caught out in a lie using it.

Post: #37

Should have bad-boy trolled the bitch.

"OMG! Did you delete me off snap?!?"

"U mad Bro?"

Post: #38

(03-02-2017 05:58 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Agreed. If more men stopped being penpals and emotional tampons, women would have to meet up for a drink to get the attention and validation they crave.

Don't hold your breath. For every man that doesn't want to be pen pal and/or emotional tampon, there will be 50 other men that choose this path. We're drops of wine in the Pacific Ocean.

Post: #39

(03-03-2017 02:45 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  You had me until this. Burn that bridge. Fuck her dumb shit. I'm 100% behind the OP. Get her out of your life.

I doubt there's a girl in existence who doesn't have dumb shit.

The ubiquity of their dumb shit has turned me into Alan Rickman when they start spraying their dumb shit around the room and up the walls.

You either learn not to react emotionally to dumb shit, or your future is proton-pump inhibitors and wearing oral splints at night.

Most women can be trained out of dumb shit. If she's really as smokin' hot as OP said, I see no harm in leaving it open. Don't keep engaging her as a pen pal, but don't nuke her from orbit either.

Post: #40

(03-03-2017 03:25 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  You either learn not to react emotionally to dumb shit, or your future is proton-pump inhibitors and wearing oral splints at night.

I honestly think 99% of the problems I have ever had with women comes down to overreacting to them.

Post: #41

(03-02-2017 10:25 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 07:53 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Here's a theory - women actually like attention from men more than they like sex.

Cardguy (older member, now banned) actually had a theory along these lines. Women are more interested in the fantasy of sex than the reality of it. Beta or Alpha, she still sees the seduction process as work, and let's face it women are lazy as fuck by nature. But dudes fawning over her are like quick dopamine hits that will get her through her sex drought.

If a chick wants to fuck, she'll find a way to fuck. 90% of the time they're just looking for attention though.

Spot on. Double like.