Post: #101

I think it's fine to look to Russia as an example of a white country that doesn't hate on its own race and culture, and celebrates the glorious epics of its history. But we need to be realistic: Russia is a dying empire staffed with leaders whose thirst for power is eclipsed only by their avarice.

Russia's political development is stuck at a medieval level, their corruption at an African level, and their leaders in the Soviet age. Putin cracked down on the oligarchs and formed a one-party regime under United Russia, but he did not (or wasn't able to, I don't know) use his power to build a functioning state and rule of law like he advertised. All the thieves and crooks became members of United Russia and they have been filling their pockets using oil money rather than bringing the country and its people out of communism.

The allure of dirt-cheap labor has let in tens of millions of Muslim immigrants from the Central Asian countries and Putin has to pay billions in tribute to his man in Chechnya (they have the biggest mosque in the world in Grozny, built with money from Putin) to keep things stable down there after the Russian Army practically razed civilization there to the ground in 1999. Only the Muslims in Russia have healthy birthrates and they are the only reason why Russia's statistical population growth is not negative.

In Moscow, which got rich because of Putin's centralization, few people support United Russia. There isn't much incentive to pull a Euromaidan, but that's more because the KGB never died and less because rich Russian youth love their country and leaders so much. In the industrial cities and rural areas, much of the population are drunk or addicted to drugs. Men have African life expectancy and the local governments are typically little more than mafia gangs with legal blessing. Forget about bringing Ukrainians and Belorussians back into the fold, Russia's central authorities are in danger of losing their own far-flung provinces.

Which brings us to a terrifying point: if a state doesn't function properly, what is the incentive for successful, law-abiding people to stay there? Why should they keep caring about some vague concept of motherland that the Kremlin keeps pushing to maintain the facade of legitimacy?

Post: #102

(02-22-2017 05:53 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  Which brings us to a terrifying point: if a state doesn't function properly, what is the incentive for successful, law-abiding people to stay there?

It's their country. It's where their ancestors have lived for centuries. It's the land that millions of their ancestors died to defend.

(02-22-2017 05:53 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  Why should they keep caring about some vague concept of motherland that the Kremlin keeps pushing to maintain the facade of legitimacy?

That is one way of putting it. Another way of putting it is that the Kremlin is following the masses. If the masses want nationalism, the Kremlin has to give them something.

Post: #103

(02-22-2017 06:04 PM)Icarus Wrote:  It's their country. It's where their ancestors have lived for centuries. It's the land that millions of their ancestors died to defend.

Ideally, sure. But the sad fact is that well-educated Russians are leaving the country and the rich and corrupt are exporting the riches to foreign banks.

Quote:That is one way of putting it. Another way of putting it is that the Kremlin is following the masses. If the masses want nationalism, the Kremlin has to give them something.

They use it as a lure to endear the people to themselves (much how the Chinese communists equate their own despotism with the concept of the Chinese nation), while they have been failing to bring Russia out of alcoholism, drug addiction, and crippling corruption.

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I'm not trying to discredit Putin's strong role in keeping the primacy of Russian culture alive and resisting western degeneracy. Corruption was not entirely the KGB man's fault, he just enabled it to perpetuate. Had the Russians not kept a strong handle on their heritage and faith, the country probably would've split up in a hundred foolish referendums by now.

Post: #104

(02-22-2017 06:36 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  Ideally, sure. But the sad fact is that well-educated Russians are leaving the country and the rich and corrupt are exporting the riches to foreign banks.

I know Russians who went to grad school in the U.S., who were offered positions in the U.S., and who still decided to move back to Russia. Who wants to start a family 20,000 Km away from one's parents? Who wants their kids to see the grandparents once every few years?

(02-22-2017 06:36 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  They use it as a lure to endear the people to themselves, while they have been failing to bring Russia out of alcoholism, drug addiction, and crippling corruption.

Did the Prohibition end alcoholism in the U.S.?

Corruption is part of what keeps Russia away from another civil war. If you fight to grab power, you have to reward your soldiers.

Post: #105

(02-22-2017 06:52 PM)Icarus Wrote:  I know Russians who went to grad school in the U.S., who were offered positions in the U.S., and who still decided to move back to Russia. Who wants to start a family 20,000 Km away from one's parents? Who wants their kids to see the grandparents once every few years?

"I know some individuals" isn't an argument when we're talking about national trends involving millions of people.
http://imrussia.org/en/analysis/nation/2...ing-part-1

"Today, it is highly educated and entrepreneurially inclined people who are leaving Russia: i.e., those who stand to give Russia’s economy a boost, wean it off the “oil needle,” reduce its dependency on imports, and essentially raise the country to a higher level."

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/russ...test-16572

"Russian applications for the United States green-card lottery have soared in recent years, reaching an all-time high of 265,086 in 2015, almost one hundred thousand more than in 2012. Data for the United Kingdom reveal a similar pattern, with the number of immigrant visas actually issued to Russians up well over 50 percent from 2010 to 2013. About 75,300 Russians got residence permits for the European Union and Switzerland in 2014, up 25 percent over 2010. Israel reports that citizenship applications from Russians are up 30 percent over that time frame."

Quote:Did the Prohibition end alcoholism in the U.S.?

No, but a consistently strong economy keeps it down.

Quote:Corruption is part of what keeps Russia away from another civil war. If you fight to grab power, you have to reward your soldiers.

My knowledge is more focused on Chinese elite politics, so I can't comment on the situation in the Kremlin or in Putin's circle in any detail. But I suspect that he doesn't really have a way to control his vassals beyond keeping them fat with money, and wasn't willing to force the social and economic restructuring that would be needed to make Russia a healthy country. I don't know. Maybe he simply didn't have the right powerbase to do it. But he did have overwhelming popularity at one point, and is losing it now.

Putin has done a lot of terrible things, but from what I've read I have some weird sympathy for him. He seems like a normal Soviet official who didn't care for communism but was probably a patriot with a real desire to defend his country. He had a normal family that just became more distant as he became more intimately involved with the tasks of statecraft that, let's face it, he was probably completely unprepared for. Now he's divorced, been demonized across the western world, had his own people turn against him in the elections and polls, and had the unenviable job of being the face of an incompetent gang that he likely spends all his time appeasing so they don't oust him. I think Putin is more like Nicholas II than Stalin.

Post: #106

I have met some Russian programmers. Generally speaking, they're too dorky and effete for a brutal place like Russia. Why wouldn't they try to move to Silicon Valley? If a dork like Musk can make it, they can still dream!



Quoting a Russian female who moved to San Francisco with her Russian programmer husband, "Russians in Silicon Valley who go there single, usually do not get married."

Post: #107

Not just the Russians, worst place to find women, it's like an extension of engineering school.

Post: #108

Hello !

I didnt participate in the topic because I was temporatily blocked.

Someone said that I'm wrong that USSR and Russia are feminist. I say it again: USSR and Russia are feminist and matriarchal and it goes worse.

Feminism and marxism are related to each other so it started in USSR immediatly. Communists need no families. They need to bring men value to zero, to emasculate them .Propaganda praised working women. First female astronaut also comes from USSR.

Recently Russian PM Medvedev did this:
https://greatest.info/march-8-medvedev-w...-strategy/

Women in Russia are priviliged class. By Russian law women are being punished for crime MUCH less that men (including crimes such as murder).

Russian women in Moscow are career-oriented, bitchy and dominant. Most of my friends and me come from single motherhood families or with weak fathers, i.e. were
raised by 'same sex couples': mom & granny. Often the more intelligent, educated man is, the weaker he is. So women rule in families. Many Russians like to be slaves for pussies. Love to praise women, love to submit to women. Women are always right and they're holy creatures. Russian women love power and try to get boss positions (including parliament and government). Lots of property owners are women. Women have lots of feminist parties, but men have zero. Men idiotically gave up power to women. Boy since childhood is led by women. So he thinks that it should be like that.

I found reply form kartik13. I prefer Latin & Asian women too. I like women of all races. I never liked Russians, but was attracted to Latinas since childhood (at that time I saw them only on TV). I never had sex with Russians. I even dont like Russian prostitutes. My first sex was with beautiful feminine Cuban girl.

I read that the West is very feminist. When I went abroad first time (to Ibiza, Spain) I was surprised that western girls there are more beautiful, feminine, submissive and kind than Russian girls. Also they're more 'classy'.I was told before that Russian women are the best and the most feminine. Foreign girls reacted very positively to me and were interested in me. And for Russians I was always an empty place.

So I'm building my business to make wealth, to be successful and to be able to move from Russia. Then I'll be able to date beautiful feminine women

Post: #109

(03-24-2017 08:27 AM)eltrance Wrote:  I read that the West is very feminist. When I went abroad first time (to Ibiza, Spain) I was surprised that western girls there are more beautiful, feminine, submissive and kind than Russian girls. Also they're more 'classy'.I was told before that Russian women are the best and the most feminine. Foreign girls reacted very positively to me and were interested in me. And for Russians I was always an empty place.

Mate, Ibiza is hardly a reference for the rest of "The West", Europe, or Spain for that matter.
And as is usual with island communities there is an Ibiza for the tourists and the jet set and another Ibiza for the Ibizencos

(03-24-2017 08:27 AM)eltrance Wrote:  So I'm building my business to make wealth, to be successful and to be able to move from Russia. Then I'll be able to date beautiful feminine women

Not one to judge on tastes and I commend you on taking initiative to take charge of your life, but as the saying goes "Change starts at home".
No reason why meanwhile you can't cultivate your game with the abundant supply you have around, because changing locations does not make the pussy instantly flow to you.

Count your blessings, from what I understand of the forums (and from my own experience) american and brit gals are in general about as agreeable as a pimple in your butthole , which does not impede said forum members to run and improve their game on them. Indeed it might actuallly be an advantage to learn where gaming is harder in order to have an edge when you land in fertile grounds.

Post: #110

(03-24-2017 08:27 AM)eltrance Wrote:  Hello !

I didnt participate in the topic because I was temporatily blocked.

Someone said that I'm wrong that USSR and Russia are feminist. I say it again: USSR and Russia are feminist and matriarchal and it goes worse.

Feminism and marxism are related to each other so it started in USSR immediatly. Communists need no families. They need to bring men value to zero, to emasculate them .Propaganda praised working women. First female astronaut also comes from USSR.

Recently Russian PM Medvedev did this:
https://greatest.info/march-8-medvedev-w...-strategy/

Women in Russia are priviliged class. By Russian law women are being punished for crime MUCH less that men (including crimes such as murder).

Russian women in Moscow are career-oriented, bitchy and dominant. Most of my friends and me come from single motherhood families or with weak fathers, i.e. were
raised by 'same sex couples': mom & granny. Often the more intelligent, educated man is, the weaker he is. So women rule in families. Many Russians like to be slaves for pussies. Love to praise women, love to submit to women. Women are always right and they're holy creatures. Russian women love power and try to get boss positions (including parliament and government). Lots of property owners are women. Women have lots of feminist parties, but men have zero. Men idiotically gave up power to women. Boy since childhood is led by women. So he thinks that it should be like that.

I found reply form kartik13. I prefer Latin & Asian women too. I like women of all races. I never liked Russians, but was attracted to Latinas since childhood (at that time I saw them only on TV). I never had sex with Russians. I even dont like Russian prostitutes. My first sex was with beautiful feminine Cuban girl.

I read that the West is very feminist. When I went abroad first time (to Ibiza, Spain) I was surprised that western girls there are more beautiful, feminine, submissive and kind than Russian girls. Also they're more 'classy'.I was told before that Russian women are the best and the most feminine. Foreign girls reacted very positively to me and were interested in me. And for Russians I was always an empty place.

So I'm building my business to make wealth, to be successful and to be able to move from Russia. Then I'll be able to date beautiful feminine women

I grew up in a Russian enclave in the US (Philly / New York).

And after being around "Russian" women (in the broad, post-Soviet sense of the word) all my life I not only do not see the appeal, I'm skeptical of them by default.

They are manipulative, haughty, money grubbing, vain, and insolent (there are plenty of exceptions of course).

Oh and did I mention they're the most insane women in the world?

If you want to be in a state of chronic annoyance, get serious with a Russian girl.

That goes double for the ones in America.

Yeah they're hot a lot of them.

And there's something to be said for the breadth of the Russian intellect vis a vis its deep language and culture, but I would never, ever wife a Russkie.

Never!

Since I've been abroad I've met a few sweet Russian and Ukrainian girls.

I much prefer Ukrainian girls.

Personally I find a lot of the Russian so called femininity to be studied, and the submissiveness a veil, as opposed to the Eastern femininity which has a more natural feel.

I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.

Post: #111

This is Russian female IT-analyst from super fin-tech company:

https://gyazo.com/6fe79c5f3a1be399867164d011668110

Post: #112

^ it is an important reminder. I think one of the under-appreciated ways to leverage foreign travel is to get to know the local men, and mine their local knowledge and philosophy. It is not something that can be done overnight, but even snippets can reveal wisdom. Three words that had an outsize effect on my redpilling and approach to learning languages, from a Panameño director of the language school, the simple "no ten dudas".

Post: #113

(03-24-2017 10:51 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  I grew up in a Russian enclave in the US (Philly / New York).

And after being around "Russian" women (in the broad, post-Soviet sense of the word) all my life I not only do not see the appeal, I'm skeptical of them by default.

They are manipulative, haughty, money grubbing, vain, and insolent (there are plenty of exceptions of course).

Not that Russian women are perfect by any means, but it sounds like you came across Russian-Jewish women, who are indeed some of the lowest forms of life on Earth (my mother is one).

All these "Russian" enclaves in NY and all over the east coast are actually Russian Jews. Big difference.

I lived in Sheepshead Bay (NYC) for over 5 years.

Post: #114

(02-18-2017 01:37 PM)eltrance Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:31 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Everywhere's a shitty place to live in it's own way. Your country is cold and poor. But at least it's not full of marshmallow-monster women who think they outrank you.

Man, Russia is a feminist country since USSR. Russian women are cold, manipulative and dominant. Read what I posted:

/thread-61321...12667.html

I would not date and marry Russian woman

Very general statement. I lived all over central and eastern europe. And yes, i found some cold russian women. But i also found some simple girls in less developed areas who were far better than the average ameri-skank. Also, consider that 1) russian women tend to be prettier and have better figures than americans (or just about any other type of girl, save for perhaps latinas), and 2) russian women retain a sense of feminity and a lack of political correctness, even when relatively bitchy. For example, there are several times in my US business career where i have been called down to HR because some girl was offended at some off-color joke or some banter. Sometimes, the girl started the conversation! But never, in all my travels in CEE, did I EVER see a woman whine to HR because someone said something that hurt their feelz.

Post: #115

As I said before I dont generally find Russian women feminine and beautiful. I'm not attracted to them. My dick doesnt care about them. I dont like their faces and bodies. I dont like how they dress. Lots of them have light brown hair. I dont like light brown hair and blondes. I love really dark brunettes. So I like Latinas (white & black), Asians (white and dark) and for sure beautiful non-slavic Europeans. I've not met North American women in real life so I dont know about them

Post: #116

(03-24-2017 06:38 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 10:51 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  I grew up in a Russian enclave in the US (Philly / New York).

And after being around "Russian" women (in the broad, post-Soviet sense of the word) all my life I not only do not see the appeal, I'm skeptical of them by default.

They are manipulative, haughty, money grubbing, vain, and insolent (there are plenty of exceptions of course).

Not that Russian women are perfect by any means, but it sounds like you came across Russian-Jewish women, who are indeed some of the lowest forms of life on Earth (my mother is one).

All these "Russian" enclaves in NY and all over the east coast are actually Russian Jews. Big difference.

I lived in Sheepshead Bay (NYC) for over 5 years.

I dont see difference with Russian women in Moscow

Post: #117

(03-24-2017 06:38 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 10:51 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  I grew up in a Russian enclave in the US (Philly / New York).

And after being around "Russian" women (in the broad, post-Soviet sense of the word) all my life I not only do not see the appeal, I'm skeptical of them by default.

They are manipulative, haughty, money grubbing, vain, and insolent (there are plenty of exceptions of course).

Not that Russian women are perfect by any means, but it sounds like you came across Russian-Jewish women, who are indeed some of the lowest forms of life on Earth (my mother is one).

All these "Russian" enclaves in NY and all over the east coast are actually Russian Jews. Big difference.

I lived in Sheepshead Bay (NYC) for over 5 years.

Well you are right that there is a strong association between Russian American and Jewry. I even read an article where the religion of choice for Russian prisoners was Judaism.

It makes me wonder why Israel seems to fly under the radar here. They have a huge Russian/Eastern European population. Ashkenaz is pretty much synonymous with Eastern Europe and Israel is a very right wing government (despite Tel Aviv).

Post: #118

(03-25-2017 03:26 AM)eltrance Wrote:  I dont see difference with Russian women in Moscow

You don't see the difference because you don't know the difference.

Post: #119

(03-25-2017 03:26 AM)eltrance Wrote:  As I said before I dont generally find Russian women feminine and beautiful. I'm not attracted to them. My dick doesnt care about them. I dont like their faces and bodies. I dont like how they dress. Lots of them have light brown hair. I dont like light brown hair and blondes. I love really dark brunettes. So I like Latinas (white & black), Asians (white and dark) and for sure beautiful non-slavic Europeans. I've not met North American women in real life so I dont know about them

Let's trade, you send Russian women to Italy.

We send you Italian women to Russia.

Great deal for us.

Post: #120

(03-24-2017 08:27 AM)eltrance Wrote:  So I'm building my business to make wealth, to be successful and to be able to move from Russia. Then I'll be able to date beautiful feminine women

I just have to ask... If you can't find beautiful feminine women in Russia, where do you think you'll be able to find them?

Post: #121

^ The guy sounds jaded. It's possible he might've been fucked over by a Russian girl (or man) in some way or another and now has an axe to grind with all Slavic girls.

Or he has some sort of physical deficiency (obese, unattractive face, short etc.) to the point where he's not finding Russian girls easy to game.

Post: #122

(03-25-2017 04:47 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:26 AM)eltrance Wrote:  As I said before I dont generally find Russian women feminine and beautiful. I'm not attracted to them. My dick doesnt care about them. I dont like their faces and bodies. I dont like how they dress. Lots of them have light brown hair. I dont like light brown hair and blondes. I love really dark brunettes. So I like Latinas (white & black), Asians (white and dark) and for sure beautiful non-slavic Europeans. I've not met North American women in real life so I dont know about them

Let's trade, you send Russian women to Italy.

We send you Italian women to Russia.

Great deal for us.

It would be great, but pimping is illegal

Post: #123

(03-25-2017 04:52 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:27 AM)eltrance Wrote:  So I'm building my business to make wealth, to be successful and to be able to move from Russia. Then I'll be able to date beautiful feminine women

I just have to ask... If you can't find beautiful feminine women in Russia, where do you think you'll be able to find them?

In South America, South Europe or Asia. I saw lots of them in Ibiza, Cuba, Indonesia

Post: #124

(03-25-2017 04:44 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 03:26 AM)eltrance Wrote:  I dont see difference with Russian women in Moscow

You don't see the difference because you don't know the difference.

Other people in this thread and in the Internet (not only me) dislike Russian women too. I'm not the only one

Post: #125

(03-25-2017 04:59 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  ^ The guy sounds jaded. It's possible he might've been fucked over by a Russian girl (or man) in some way or another and now has an axe to grind with all Slavic girls.

Or he has some sort of physical deficiency (obese, unattractive face, short etc.) to the point where he's not finding Russian girls easy to game.

As I said I and Russian women have no interest in each other. I never wanted to fuck them. Just look at the pic of IT analyst I posted here