Post: #1

I see numerous things to be concerned about in the UK, especially London; one-sided hate speech laws, pro-Islamic policy, trans madness, selective enforcement of laws, vitriol against Leave voters and anyone centre-right. There's plenty of criticism and push-back against the goverment and agitators if you look online, but what can go on in reality to take a stance against this?

I make political jokes to keep my sanity, but that's about it. How could I take a stand against this, join UKIP, write for the Telegraph?

Post: #2

Find a properly established organisation that's pulling in the direction you want and just ask them flat out what you can do to help. Going it alone is a recipe for disaster as there will be no help for you if you end up in jail.

But be prepared for a long haul at the bottom of the ranks. Most such organisations are understandably suspicious of new guys that might be moles or agent provocateurs.

I strongly advise you against going it alone. You are far more likely to end up in jail and/or dead, and it's a sad sort of a fight when you have nobody to share a beer with at the end of the day.

Post: #3

Troll online, it means more than you think. Make a fake Facebook and tell the truth.

Post: #4

In Britain? Playing with fire. Even if you use a VPN you'd be looking over your shoulder for life and jumping at every knock at the door.

The trouble in our cucked nations (but in Germany and Britain particularly) is that in the propaganda game you have to draw attention to be effective but the more attention you draw the more you're going to become the nail standing tallest to be hammered down first by the state.

Beyond that, simple internet activism is demoralising in it's own way. You really need a flesh and blood support network or you risk becoming a paranoid basement dwelling hack.

Anything wrong with PEGIDA?

Post: #5

It's almost like the only way to circumvent "abuse" laws is to have a transnational (bear with me...) meme network, where the guys in the UK troll Germany, and vice versa...

Post: #6

(02-04-2017 11:16 AM)polar Wrote:  It's almost like the only way to circumvent "abuse" laws is to have a transnational (bear with me...) meme network, where the guys in the UK troll Germany, and vice versa...

Hey, if Western intelligence agencies can spy on each other's citizens, there's no reason we can't troll each other's citizens.

Post: #7

Politics is very local. For you being I'm the UK it may seem that Westmenister sucks the air out of the room all the time but there is still lots of ability to make change. People respond more to the shifts from local policy makers as it impacts there day to day lives more.

I recommend getting involved in local politics and running for a local council. You have to build up a base of support first I'm your local area but if successful you learn the workings of the system from the inside on a much smaller scale and it also gives you try ability to link up with power players and other groups who can help you get to that next level if you aspire to get into Westmenister.

You would be surprised how much change you can get done if you could get to a mayoral role. In regards to being able as mayor to change the culture and narrative of your town and push for more family friendly and common sense policy.

Post: #8

I'd recommend finding an outlet on the internet or social media, or joining a project like InfoGalactic; in this day and age it seems that independent web 2.0 media is slowly rendering the dinosaur mainstream media irrelevant; I believe it played a large role in Trump's win despite the corporate-US media (including Fox News and talk radio) being largely against him.

Post: #9

Apply for Mayor or Sheriff.

If you're UK based, apply for whatever local political office you can.

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Post: #10

You're in the UK?

Contact Philip Davies, MP and ask him how you can help.
Email: [email protected]

As far as my understanding of British politics, he is on your side. He is completely against political correctness.

Post: #11

By influencing your friends and family.

Post: #12

(02-04-2017 08:17 AM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:  I see numerous things to be concerned about in the UK, especially London; one-sided hate speech laws, pro-Islamic policy, trans madness, selective enforcement of laws, vitriol against Leave voters and anyone centre-right. There's plenty of criticism and push-back against the goverment and agitators if you look online, but what can go on in reality to take a stance against this?

I make political jokes to keep my sanity, but that's about it. How could I take a stand against this, join UKIP, write for the Telegraph?

You can run on the ticket of a third party that has a principled platform but no chance of winning. The goal, in that case, is to get free publicity for your ideas and get to the right (or the left) of the mainstream candidates, and give them reason to worry that their moderate stances will make them lose votes to you. They may copy some of your ideas or at least feel compelled to respond to them (rather than totally ignoring them).

I'm running for state legislator now, and finding that it's easier than I expected. Depending on your jurisdiction, the requirements for getting on the ballot might not be so challenging. I live in a mostly rural district, so I've been going door-to-door in the more densely-populated, suburban, yuppie areas on the edge of the district and gathering signatures on my ballot access petitions there. On the weekends, I can gather about 10 signatures an hour just by smiling and saying, "Hi, I'm [name] and I'm running for [office] as a [party affiliation]. I'm gathering signatures for ballot access so that you can have another choice in November. Signing doesn't mean you're going to vote for me; it's just to allow me to run." Most people will sign if they've answered the door and given you a chance to say that much.

When I first started, I thought, "I don't want to do this, because I'm not an extroverted person and don't like accosting strangers." But the system is set up so that sometimes we, as political outsiders, have no way to make our voices heard without accosting strangers. So if someone occasionally gets a shitty attitude with me, my thought is, "Don't hate the player, hate the game."

My advice is, go for the highest office you can get on the ballot for, so you can get the most bang for your buck. I ran for U.S. Congress several years ago, and got free TV and newspaper coverage, plus I was in the debates. For those who live in the U.S., now is a good time to start gathering ballot access signatures, because it's still early in the year, so the deadlines are in many cases still months away. You want to start as early as possible so that a snafu doesn't cause you to fall short of the number of signatures you need.

Remember, rejections don't count; only signatures count. Petitioning, like getting laid, is a numbers game. It's the Giovanny principle: "If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one (maybe 2 or 3) of them is getting fucked!" If, as a ballot access petitioner, you use the right approach, pick the right location, and put in the necessary hours, you WILL get on the ballot.

My campaign is going to be focused on the issue of family. I'm going to turn all the feminist talking points on their heads, and say that we need to start cracking down on the women who are falsely accusing their husbands of abuse and breaking up their families. The family law statutes need to be revised to punish these selfish women (or, as I will call them in my non-sexist, politically correct vernacular, "these disloyal spouses") with loss of marital property, alimony, and custody of their kids, so that other women (ahem, "other spouses") will be deterred by their example from betraying their husbands and causing so much misery for their children, who often end up becoming burdens to society as criminals and sluts.

There's a lot more to my platform, but you get the gist. Every time the feminists say that we need to enact their policies in order to protect women and children, I'm going to find a way to turn it around and show that they are the ones putting women and children at risk. Their unfair divorce laws are making life hard for the good women who want a decent man but can't get one to commit to them, because any game-aware and self-respecting man will realize that marriage, in its modern incarnation, has become little more than the ultimate failed shit test, the ultimate loss of frame, in which he agrees to take on risk without enough (if any) reward to compensate for it, out of a misguided belief that a woman will appreciate his sacrifice and integrity. No-fault divorce and our culture's encouraging women to delay marriage till after college (and men to choose women their own age) has ruined what used to be a pretty sweet gig for women, in that they could get married at 18 and then sit around the house all day raising babies.

We need to shift resources away from wasteful programs like the pork barrel projects funded under the Violence Against Women Act, so that more resources will be available to investigate and prosecute women who perjure themselves by making false accusations of abuse in the family courts.

We need to cut funding for higher education for women, since it just encourages girls to go to college, where they become sexually promiscuous and are diverted from their proper role of becoming faithful wives and mothers. We must eradicate the feminist cancer from our society by targeting its source, the university.

The newspapers pretty much have to cover the campaign, because the possibility of drawing away enough votes to tip the election from one mainstream candidate to the other is always there, even if I have no chance of winning. The more unusual and outrageous my ideas are, the more likely they'll get covered, because that's what creates those clickbait headlines and social media shares that news companies love.

Post: #13

PEGIDA i've looked into and if i can find some way to aid beyond just holding banners at demos (though I'll get involved there if needed) I would join.
But yeah, I need a network and others with a political purpose to make it worthwhile. PEGIDA will probably not get much mainstream recognition-even UKIP are more widely known, but they have issues of their own.

(02-04-2017 09:18 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  In Britain? Playing with fire. Even if you use a VPN you'd be looking over your shoulder for life and jumping at every knock at the door.

The trouble in our cucked nations (but in Germany and Britain particularly) is that in the propaganda game you have to draw attention to be effective but the more attention you draw the more you're going to become the nail standing tallest to be hammered down first by the state.

Beyond that, simple internet activism is demoralising in it's own way. You really need a flesh and blood support network or you risk becoming a paranoid basement dwelling hack.

Anything wrong with PEGIDA?

Post: #14

Very true; I worked in local government (not as an official) and while local politics has more resonance, I've been put off going back to it-they are incredibly hidebound and averse to change.
Parliament has so much pull that the decision are made there to affect local constituencies, rather than the other way around, or so it seems, but one thing I thought would be worthwhile would be to consolidate local voters and form a voting bloc to make a candidate genuinely listen when the local voters take issues to them.
Of course, that brings power into the public's grip for a brief window, then away again, but if it takes the focus away from special interests in Westminster, might be worthwhile.

(02-04-2017 03:06 PM)kosko Wrote:  Politics is very local. For you being I'm the UK it may seem that Westmenister sucks the air out of the room all the time but there is still lots of ability to make change. People respond more to the shifts from local policy makers as it impacts there day to day lives more.

I recommend getting involved in local politics and running for a local council. You have to build up a base of support first I'm your local area but if successful you learn the workings of the system from the inside on a much smaller scale and it also gives you try ability to link up with power players and other groups who can help you get to that next level if you aspire to get into Westmenister.

You would be surprised how much change you can get done if you could get to a mayoral role. In regards to being able as mayor to change the culture and narrative of your town and push for more family friendly and common sense policy.

Post: #15

As a follow-up to my earlier post about running for office --

Another way in which ballot access petitioning is like game is that you do better when you have the "you are the prize" mindset. Even though you're the one asking for votes, the voters need you just as much as you need them -- just like, even though you're the one approaching chicks in a bar, they need you just as much as you need them, because without you, they're stuck either with a lesser guy or alone.

If anything, as the candidate, you're the one in short supply, since there's only one of you (on a given party's ticket, for that race) but there are many voters. This is similar to how, if you're an alpha, you are the one in demand, while chicks are abundant.

Other rules of game also apply, such as the 3-second rule and the 60/40 rule. E.g., if someone says they don't like your party's platform, that doesn't actually mean they're in opposition to your views; they could be mistaken about where you stand. People often get confused about which candidates belong to which parties; for example, some people like Lyndon LaRouche and Ralph Nader are Libertarians.

I notice, when men are petitioning, they find it's more effective to order the voters around: "Please sign my petition for [policy goal]. We're trying to get our candidates on the ballot." When women petition, they prefer to ask, "Would you like to sign?" Men do better when they just assume the sale; women do better when they're deferential.

It used to be, when I went to a man's house and saw his wife in the background while he was signing the petition, I would ask, "Do you think she would want to sign?" Usually he would say something like, "No, she's busy making dinner" and I wouldn't get the signature. I find if I ask, "Will she be signing?" he's much more likely to tell her, "Honey, sign this," and explain to her what it is and get the signature, because I'm prompting him to show leadership rather than defer to what he thinks she would want to do.

Just like with gaming chicks, sometimes you inexplicably run into slumps in which everyone says "No thanks" before you can get a word in edgewise. Other times, you find yourself in petition paradise, where every door you knock on yields a signature or two.

Running for office not only helps get your message out, but it also forces you to combine all your views into a coherent and comprehensive platform, as you prepare statements and field questions. During this process, you discover contradictions and inconsistencies in your worldview that you'd previously pushed to the back of your mind, and you'll have to find a way to resolve those, by rejecting what doesn't belong and keeping the rest. People will also ask you questions you'd never thought deeply about before, and you'll have to research and ponder those, to come up with answers. It will give you greater clarity of thought and turn you into a more effective advocate for your ideas.

Post: #16

Good luck trying to get employed in any sort of white collar job if your face or name is linked to a PEGIDA rally. Most cucks can't tell the difference between PEGIDA and genuine neo-nazi groups, so you will be called a nazi, racist and the like. Leave going to rallies to the blue collar guys whose bosses don't care.

If you're really interested, you should join UKIP and try and become the candidate for your area. There are a fair few areas where UKIP still have (without sounding like an SJW) very old, white, racist candidates who are prone to saying things that make the party look bad. I imagine they would be very happy to have you.

That all depends on where you live by the way. If you don't live in the country or the north, forget about it.

Post: #17

(02-14-2017 03:24 AM)britchard Wrote:  Good luck trying to get employed in any sort of white collar job if your face or name is linked to a PEGIDA rally. Most cucks can't tell the difference between PEGIDA and genuine neo-nazi groups, so you will be called a nazi, racist and the like. Leave going to rallies to the blue collar guys whose bosses don't care.

If you're really interested, you should join UKIP and try and become the candidate for your area. There are a fair few areas where UKIP still have (without sounding like an SJW) very old, white, racist candidates who are prone to saying things that make the party look bad. I imagine they would be very happy to have you.

That all depends on where you live by the way. If you don't live in the country or the north, forget about it.

It depends on how common your name is. There's a B-list celebrity with the same name as mine, so whenever anyone googles me, the first several pages of results are devoted to him. So, even though there are government websites saying I'm a convicted felon and all kinds of other stuff, I've been able to get white collar jobs. It's especially easy if I go through recruiters.

Now, if anyone happens to know my middle name, then I'm screwed, but usually only HR and payroll know about that. So as long as those particular individuals don't think to google my full name, I'm fine. Even background checks don't turn up anything on me, since criminal records in the U.S. are in such a non-integrated patchwork of different systems. (I suspect one reason there's been no big push to integrate them all into one publicly-accessible database is that crime rates would probably go up, as ex-cons would have more trouble rejoining society as productive citizens. The feds have all that data in the NCIC, but they keep it to themselves.)

You'd be surprised what you can get away with doing, and still get white collar jobs. Still, if I have a son someday, I'll probably tell him, "Now before you decide to go to college and study for a white collar career, consider how much freedom of speech you're potentially giving up when you choose that path. I know a lot of people who feel they can't speak their minds publicly lest they get doxxed and not be able to get a job in their chosen profession. If you become a plumber, though, not only will you be able to help fix that crummy job our contractor did on the house, but you'll be able to say whatever you want without having to worry about SJWs destroying your livelihood."

Post: #18

This isn't exactly in real life, though this sort of thing can be effective.

Basically all of these people lie. So all you have to do is catch them saying one thing, then doing another, and make a Youtube video about it.

In this interview with Dave Rubin, (15:25-15:31) Joe Rogan explains how a SJW type came on his show, they disagreed, and later the SJW misrepresented what was said.





Some fan got a hold of the false accusations of the guest, and paired them with what was actually said, and put it in a short video:





According to Rogan, the SJW got so much grief for his lies, that he stopped distorting the truth and being a dickhead SJW.

Now, we know that this is an anomaly, and that all we can hope for is triggering.

What I am thinking though, is that there are all sorts of examples you see over time of someone lying or exaggerating, and all it takes is one person to track down the specific examples of the lies, splice them into a video, and you have a very short, very convincing discrediting of that person.

The format is extremely simple. Video or audio.

Example of a lie.

Example of the truth.

Repeat until you have a short video.

We are all reading and watching and listening to so much stuff, that if one person decided that they would be the one to keep track of some of the lies, and then expose them one by one, they would be doing the Lord's work, as well as providing a resource for other people who need evidence for their own arguments, as well as putting together a channel for themselves.

Post: #19

Well your main in-person options would be to join some type of activism group with specific goals in mind; most people who run for office are fairly well-known or important people in their city/state/town, so an average Joe running for office probably has little chance of making a difference.

I think in this day and age, online activism is supplanting traditional in-person activism for the most part, so finding a credible organization, starting a blog, or joining an existing blog is probably your best bet.

If you're good at writing, you could submit writing samples to political blogs and see if they'll allow you to contribute to them; unless you already have some kind of online audience, then trying to start your own blog out of the blue and expecting it to get a lot of followers is probably not going to work.

Post: #20

(02-05-2017 09:00 PM)Thought Criminal Wrote:  You're in the UK?

Contact Philip Davies, MP and ask him how you can help.
Email: [email protected]

As far as my understanding of British politics, he is on your side. He is completely against political correctness.

From Wikipedia:

"Davies is on the governing council of The Freedom Association pressure group, and is an organiser for the TaxPayers' Alliance. Davies has regularly been criticised by other politicians and prominent public figures for comments he has made on gender equality and women,[7] homosexuality,[8] ethnic minorities"

Sounds like my kind of guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Davies

Post: #21

(02-04-2017 08:17 AM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:  I see numerous things to be concerned about in the UK, especially London; one-sided hate speech laws, pro-Islamic policy, trans madness, selective enforcement of laws, vitriol against Leave voters and anyone centre-right. There's plenty of criticism and push-back against the goverment and agitators if you look online, but what can go on in reality to take a stance against this?

I make political jokes to keep my sanity, but that's about it. How could I take a stand against this, join UKIP, write for the Telegraph?

UKIP is cucked ,they have Evans after all and kept pushing out Kassam.

I'd look into Liberty GB or PEGIDA.

UKIP and most right wing Tories don't cut it

If you want to move to Germany or Estonia, Jung Alternative and Blue Awakening are pretty red pilled and agree with most of general forum sentiment

Post: #22

Personally, I'd be looking at forming my own party in the current climate. The Conservatives are effectively New Labour, Labour are a hard leftist cult, the Lib Dems are...well, the Lib Dems. UKIP are utterly dysfunctional and without a rebrand will look redundant when Brexit finally happens. The Greens are virtue-signallers par excellence. The BNP are racist as fuck and have outgrown their usefulness to the mainstream media as bogeymen now that Brexit is happening and Trump is in power, so expect them to disappear faster than Nicola Sturgeon's approval ratings (one chart I just saw had the Scottish Conservative leader rating above her, which tells you all you need to know). The Monster Raving Loony Party are still around, but I'm not wasting my time on them just for a few lulz.

I was actually looking into the process for forming a party in case I do see the need to gather like minded souls together to form a true conservative party in the near future.

Post: #23

I have joined a political party 2-3 years ago and I can give you my own account of things. Mind you I joined the political youth of the party, which is generally more active.

So, the first step you can take is actually join a political party. Make sure the one you join is actually the one most ideologically close to your thoughts (sometimes people think their own ideology is the one of party X, but actually it's of party Z. This happens mostly due to political marketing).
As someone said, politics is Local and you will probably have to join the section of your county/district. The working methods vary greatly from county to county and district to district. Expect great rivalry.

The party should have several events per month, and you should be able to join them, listen, debate, make questions. Most importantly be seen and be heard.
Be prepared to navigate a jealous sea of beta mediocrity (and sometimes bureaucratic). Be aware that people in politics are very averse to change and are very ideologically stubborn and "the people" is more sometimes more important than logic and facts.

I "rose" quite quickly internally because from the beginning I had a complete different mindset. A doer attitude, new and good ideas, persuasive, know how to speak and most of all, had good connections (and a big car to take people around). Thankfully some of the people followed.

It is important to find like minded people within your political party. Always check water temperature before jumping into the water or you will be promptly ostracized and cast out as an outsider who is trying to change "how stuff is done around here". It's is a bit of a grind.
However you if you have the right attitude and mindset it can also a good thing, because some people might see you as new fresh blood with new ideas and approaches.

Funny story, last year I had an event with very important people from the party, organized by a great guy who is a MEP in the EuroParl.
We had some "debate training" on some topics, and at the end of the training they were asking us if we were for or against on those same topics. One of the topics was "If there should be a EU referendum in Portugal".
In a room of 120 persons aged 16-29 I was the only one saying yes. In front of the MEP and some MPs. Everyone was a supper shocked as this is kind of taboo topic, mostly pushed by leftists in Portugal (they may have thought I was some hidden communist or something). The MEP asked me why, and I replied him quickly with what I believe were very good arguments. He was impressed and we had a small discussion a bit later in the day.
The last day of this event there was a guest from other country, and I made him a very difficult question (in english) and not just some random fluff question done 10000 times. The guest said I was harder than the press in his country and shortly after, the MEP came to me again and said my English was excellent and that the party needed more people like me.

Before speaking, make sure you know your stuff and have your shit straight. Or people will eventually take what you said out of context (call them out on it for not being intellectually honest).
It is also important to know when to shut your mouth. Politics is a game (of snakes and ladders) and by listening you learn, and by talking you give away your position, even within your own party.

Pro-tip: If you fuck up when bringing some topic, or saying anything wrong, just say that you are not closed to any topic and debate, even of bad things, is always healthy.
Pro-tip II: When somebody throws the argument "the best for us all", you can be sure it's the best for that person.
Pro-tip III: Learn and understand body language.

Like work, politics is never ending. There is always something happening will be happening as long as mankind still roams this planet. If you devote to much attention to it, the rest of your life will suffer, be it personal relationships or work. I am giving each time less attention to it, because I am a bit fed up with the beta cucked attittude, the leaflet propagandist mentality (whom is easy manipulated by MSM) and the current political situation in my country (there is no party where i would truly fit). Also being in a relationship does not allow me to do all I wanted.

If you have any question, just ask. I will answer to the best of my abilities.

Post: #24

(03-11-2017 06:50 PM)Praetor Lupus Wrote:  Personally, I'd be looking at forming my own party in the current climate. The Conservatives are effectively New Labour, Labour are a hard leftist cult, the Lib Dems are...well, the Lib Dems. UKIP are utterly dysfunctional and without a rebrand will look redundant when Brexit finally happens. The Greens are virtue-signallers par excellence. The BNP are racist as fuck and have outgrown their usefulness to the mainstream media as bogeymen now that Brexit is happening and Trump is in power, so expect them to disappear faster than Nicola Sturgeon's approval ratings (one chart I just saw had the Scottish Conservative leader rating above her, which tells you all you need to know). The Monster Raving Loony Party are still around, but I'm not wasting my time on them just for a few lulz.

I was actually looking into the process for forming a party in case I do see the need to gather like minded souls together to form a true conservative party in the near future.

Liberty GB seem pretty good, but they're absolutely minuscule.